IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-25
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[[put-it-on-the-wiki]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/put-it-on-the-wiki * Tantek * (+1140) drafted with examples example
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=14658 * Tantek * (+58) added links to [[put-it-on-the-wiki]]
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[[put-it-on-the-wiki]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=put-it-on-the-wiki&diff=0&oldid=14659 * Tantek * (+482) ok to use email for announcements of information that has been added to the wiki. better yet, blog about it!
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14660 * AndyMabbett * (+579) IP Issues - hResume copyright statement
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14661 * AndyMabbett * (+0) IP Issues - fix
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[[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=14662 * Chris Messina * (+40) Adding facebook mobile.
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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i wonder where i'm from
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[[facebook-syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/facebook-syntax * Chris Messina * (+1890)
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[[facebook-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14663 * Chris Messina * (+7)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14664 * Tantek * (+91) added David Weekly
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[[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14665 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Commands - fix markup (best guess!)
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[[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14666 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Commands - ditto
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[[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14667 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Commands - ditto
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14668 * Rohit * (-14) Legal Entity Issues -
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[[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14669 * Rohit * (-100) Q: ''Who controls microformats?'' -
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[[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14670 * Rohit * (+72) Admins -
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amir is Amir Guindehi and blogs at http://amir.ch/weblog
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lurking from shdh 10000...
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lurk... moar?
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rohitkhare: there's also the #shdh channel
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woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000).
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14671 * JoeAndrieu * (+1895) Legal Entity Issues -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14672 * AndyMabbett * (+231) Legal Entity Issues - Whois infro
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14673 * AndyMabbett * (+48) Legal Entity Issues - link
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14674 * AndyMabbett * (+165) IP Issues - Buttons
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14675 * JoeAndrieu * (+538) Legal Entity Issues - explained "Why California?"
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14676 * AndyMabbett * (+44) Legal Entity Issues - add date-satmp
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14677 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Legal Entity Issues - indent
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[[int]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/int * AndyMabbett * (+34) memorable shortcut
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[[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14678 * AndyMabbett * (+186) Issues - clearer statement of issue
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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ichigo have a look at http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/server.max-request-sizeDetails
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K0in: thank you :)
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you're welcome
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[product-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/product-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+5831) [fr:amorçage traduction]
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[[product-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=product-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=14679 * ChristopheDucamp * (+142)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[gov]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/gov * AndyMabbett * (+24) memorable shortcut
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[[res]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/res * AndyMabbett * (+21) memorable shortcut
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[shortcuts]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/shortcuts * AndyMabbett * (+353)
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14680 * AndyMabbett * (-3)
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14681 * AndyMabbett * (-1) tyop
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14682 * AndyMabbett * (+36) int
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14683 * AndyMabbett * (+58) more
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[[iss]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/iss * AndyMabbett * (+33)
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14684 * AndyMabbett * (+0)
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[[view]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/view * AndyMabbett * (+21)
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14685 * AndyMabbett * (+28)
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[[pico]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/pico * AndyMabbett * (+25)
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[[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14686 * AndyMabbett * (+3)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/brainstorming * Tantek * (+2452) drafted based on some email dialog and clarifications.
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14687 * WebOrganics * (+119) hResume examples in the wild -
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14688 * Tantek * (+319) added new, with some problems, reviewed examples sections like [[hreview-examples-in-wild]]
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- [23:41:39] <AGraf``>
just a quick question
- [23:41:48] <AGraf``>
to settle a dispute :>
- [23:42:03] <AGraf``>
is hCard /intended/ to only let me mark up a name?
- [23:42:20] <tantek>
hCard represents a person or organization
- [23:42:26] <AGraf``>
<div class="vcard"><div class="fn">Name Here</div></div>
- [23:42:33] <tantek>
from: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
- [23:42:41] <AGraf``>
yes, i read that of course
- [23:42:42] <tantek>
hCard is a simple, open, distributed format for representing people, companies, organizations, and places, using a 1:1 representation of the properties and values of the vCard standard
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note: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_List
- [23:42:59] <AGraf``>
pardon my bad english, perhaps I can't get the question across...
- [23:43:02] <AGraf``>
let my try again
- [23:43:35] <hax>
AGraf``: i think i just did what you want, and the answer is <div class="fn org">Organization Name</div>
- [23:43:49] <tantek>
and see also http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
- [23:43:54] <AGraf``>
can/should I use hCard to just tell machines that something is a name?
- [23:44:06] <tantek>
name of a person or organization yes
- [23:44:36] <AGraf``>
ok, even if there is nothing else I know about this person/organization?
- [23:45:14] <AGraf``>
let's say I write a short article about... Technorati, can/should i use <div class="vcard"><div class="fn org">Technorati</div></div>?
- [23:45:26] <AGraf``>
even if i have no additional contact detailsß
- [23:45:30] <AGraf``>
s/ß/?
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- [23:46:48] <AGraf``>
i'm arguing with a RDF guy... he thinks hCard isn't intended for that kind of thing and that FOAF would be the way to go
- [23:46:53] <AGraf``>
ha
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ha!
- [23:47:16] <AGraf``>
kwijibo: [01:44:03] <@tantek> name of a person or organization yes
- [23:47:32] <AGraf``>
gosh, it's 2am Oo
- [23:49:06] <AGraf``>
anyway, tantek settled it.. hCard can be used
- [23:49:59] <kwijibo>
I'm not saying it *can't* - just that it's the equivalent of writing only a name in a filofax
- [23:51:06] <AGraf``>
as i said, i actually have a few people in my apple addressbook where i just have the name
- [23:51:27] <kwijibo>
really? why? and what do you do with them?
- [23:51:43] <AGraf``>
yes really Oo I can always add more information later
- [23:52:03] <AGraf``>
for some i have nickname + real name
- [23:52:26] <kwijibo>
but would you write "Ludwig van Beethoven" in your address book?
- [23:53:17] <AGraf``>
now this is turning into a debate on principles
- [23:53:30] <AGraf``>
is hcard intended to mark up arbitrary names, yes or no
- [23:53:33] <AGraf``>
i say yes
- [23:53:41] <kwijibo>
(assuming that's not coincidentally the name of a friend of yours)
- [23:53:52] <AGraf``>
if tantek understood my question correctly he says yes too
- [23:54:27] <kwijibo>
I say: hcard is for contact details, it makes no sense to use it for names of people that can not be contacted
- [23:54:53] <AGraf``>
"to contact" is a very broad term
- [23:55:58] <kwijibo>
but vcard doesn't have a field for "favourite medium"
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or "ouiji board number"
- [23:56:11] <AGraf``>
nor does it need
- [23:56:38] <kwijibo>
of course it doesn't!
- [23:57:21] <AGraf``>
can anyone settle this? -.-
- [23:57:29] <kwijibo>
because you can't contact beethoven
- [23:57:45] <AGraf``>
i really don't know and we're just discussing personal opinions
- [23:57:59] <kwijibo>
well, no one can stop you using hcard for arbitrary names
- [23:58:27] <AGraf``>
that's why i was asking if it is intended for that
- [23:58:38] <kwijibo>
but really, you're being a bit loose with the semantics if you're not using it for genuine contact details
- [23:59:03] <AGraf``>
as i said, that's why i was asking
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