IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-25

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  1. [00:12:51] <mfbot> [[put-it-on-the-wiki]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/put-it-on-the-wiki * Tantek * (+1140) drafted with examples example
  2. [00:22:17] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=14658 * Tantek * (+58) added links to [[put-it-on-the-wiki]]
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  4. [00:31:04] <mfbot> [[put-it-on-the-wiki]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=put-it-on-the-wiki&diff=0&oldid=14659 * Tantek * (+482) ok to use email for announcements of information that has been added to the wiki. better yet, blog about it!
  5. [00:35:00] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14660 * AndyMabbett * (+579) IP Issues - hResume copyright statement
  6. [00:36:26] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14661 * AndyMabbett * (+0) IP Issues - fix
  7. [00:37:17] <mfbot> [[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=14662 * Chris Messina * (+40) Adding facebook mobile.
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  10. [00:57:32] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  11. [00:58:08] <hax> i wonder where i'm from
  12. [00:58:24] <mfbot> [[facebook-syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/facebook-syntax * Chris Messina * (+1890)
  13. [01:00:40] <mfbot> [[facebook-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14663 * Chris Messina * (+7)
  14. [01:02:11] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14664 * Tantek * (+91) added David Weekly
  15. [01:11:07] <mfbot> [[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14665 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Commands - fix markup (best guess!)
  16. [01:11:28] <mfbot> [[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14666 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Commands - ditto
  17. [01:12:14] <mfbot> [[facebook-syntax]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=facebook-syntax&diff=0&oldid=14667 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Commands - ditto
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  25. [02:25:10] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  31. [02:38:25] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14668 * Rohit * (-14) Legal Entity Issues -
  32. [02:40:01] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14669 * Rohit * (-100) Q: ''Who controls microformats?'' -
  33. [02:45:02] <mfbot> [[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14670 * Rohit * (+72) Admins -
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  35. [02:49:18] <jibot> amir is Amir Guindehi and blogs at http://amir.ch/weblog
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  37. [03:02:08] <rohitkhare> lurking from shdh 10000...
  38. [03:03:22] <hax> lurk... moar?
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  41. [03:38:55] <veeliam> rohitkhare: there's also the #shdh channel
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  47. [04:10:24] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000).
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  57. [05:52:12] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14671 * JoeAndrieu * (+1895) Legal Entity Issues -
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  62. [08:17:16] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  66. [08:29:26] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  67. [08:29:31] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14672 * AndyMabbett * (+231) Legal Entity Issues - Whois infro
  68. [08:30:22] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14673 * AndyMabbett * (+48) Legal Entity Issues - link
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  70. [08:38:52] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  74. [09:48:18] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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  77. [10:01:52] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14674 * AndyMabbett * (+165) IP Issues - Buttons
  78. [10:09:49] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14675 * JoeAndrieu * (+538) Legal Entity Issues - explained "Why California?"
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  80. [10:45:11] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14676 * AndyMabbett * (+44) Legal Entity Issues - add date-satmp
  81. [10:45:42] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14677 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Legal Entity Issues - indent
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  84. [10:59:29] <mfbot> [[int]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/int * AndyMabbett * (+34) memorable shortcut
  85. [11:02:10] <mfbot> [[internationalization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internationalization&diff=0&oldid=14678 * AndyMabbett * (+186) Issues - clearer statement of issue
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  87. [11:22:07] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  101. [12:29:24] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  107. [12:49:15] <jibot> ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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  109. [12:57:17] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  114. [13:45:15] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  116. [13:45:58] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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  118. [14:06:17] <K0in> ichigo have a look at http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/server.max-request-sizeDetails
  119. [14:06:45] <ichigo> K0in: thank you :)
  120. [14:07:16] <K0in> you're welcome
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  123. [14:42:01] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  125. [15:52:37] <mfbot> [[product-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/product-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+5831) [fr:amorçage traduction]
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  134. [16:31:47] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  136. [16:42:56] <mfbot> [[gov]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/gov * AndyMabbett * (+24) memorable shortcut
  137. [16:44:27] <mfbot> [[res]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/res * AndyMabbett * (+21) memorable shortcut
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  139. [16:50:47] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  140. [16:50:48] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/shortcuts * AndyMabbett * (+353)
  141. [16:51:25] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14680 * AndyMabbett * (-3)
  142. [16:51:40] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14681 * AndyMabbett * (-1) tyop
  143. [16:52:22] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14682 * AndyMabbett * (+36) int
  144. [16:55:13] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14683 * AndyMabbett * (+58) more
  145. [16:55:34] <mfbot> [[iss]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/iss * AndyMabbett * (+33)
  146. [16:56:15] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14684 * AndyMabbett * (+0)
  147. [16:57:16] <mfbot> [[view]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/view * AndyMabbett * (+21)
  148. [16:58:22] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14685 * AndyMabbett * (+28)
  149. [16:58:43] <mfbot> [[pico]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/pico * AndyMabbett * (+25)
  150. [17:00:29] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=14686 * AndyMabbett * (+3)
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  152. [17:07:35] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  157. [17:53:29] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  164. [18:55:21] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  223. [23:41:39] <AGraf``> just a quick question
  224. [23:41:48] <AGraf``> to settle a dispute :>
  225. [23:42:03] <AGraf``> is hCard /intended/ to only let me mark up a name?
  226. [23:42:20] <tantek> hCard represents a person or organization
  227. [23:42:26] <AGraf``> <div class="vcard"><div class="fn">Name Here</div></div>
  228. [23:42:33] <tantek> from: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
  229. [23:42:41] <AGraf``> yes, i read that of course
  230. [23:42:42] <tantek> hCard is a simple, open, distributed format for representing people, companies, organizations, and places, using a 1:1 representation of the properties and values of the vCard standard
  231. [23:42:59] <tantek> note: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_List
  232. [23:42:59] <AGraf``> pardon my bad english, perhaps I can't get the question across...
  233. [23:43:02] <AGraf``> let my try again
  234. [23:43:35] <hax> AGraf``: i think i just did what you want, and the answer is <div class="fn org">Organization Name</div>
  235. [23:43:49] <tantek> and see also http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring and http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
  236. [23:43:54] <AGraf``> can/should I use hCard to just tell machines that something is a name?
  237. [23:44:06] <tantek> name of a person or organization yes
  238. [23:44:36] <AGraf``> ok, even if there is nothing else I know about this person/organization?
  239. [23:45:14] <AGraf``> let's say I write a short article about... Technorati, can/should i use <div class="vcard"><div class="fn org">Technorati</div></div>?
  240. [23:45:26] <AGraf``> even if i have no additional contact detailsß
  241. [23:45:30] <AGraf``> s/ß/?
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  243. [23:46:48] <AGraf``> i'm arguing with a RDF guy... he thinks hCard isn't intended for that kind of thing and that FOAF would be the way to go
  244. [23:46:53] <AGraf``> ha
  245. [23:46:57] * AGraf`` pokes kwijibo
  246. [23:46:58] <kwijibo> ha!
  247. [23:47:16] <AGraf``> kwijibo: [01:44:03] <@tantek> name of a person or organization yes
  248. [23:47:32] <AGraf``> gosh, it's 2am Oo
  249. [23:49:06] <AGraf``> anyway, tantek settled it.. hCard can be used
  250. [23:49:59] <kwijibo> I'm not saying it *can't* - just that it's the equivalent of writing only a name in a filofax
  251. [23:51:06] <AGraf``> as i said, i actually have a few people in my apple addressbook where i just have the name
  252. [23:51:27] <kwijibo> really? why? and what do you do with them?
  253. [23:51:43] <AGraf``> yes really Oo I can always add more information later
  254. [23:52:03] <AGraf``> for some i have nickname + real name
  255. [23:52:26] <kwijibo> but would you write "Ludwig van Beethoven" in your address book?
  256. [23:53:17] <AGraf``> now this is turning into a debate on principles
  257. [23:53:30] <AGraf``> is hcard intended to mark up arbitrary names, yes or no
  258. [23:53:33] <AGraf``> i say yes
  259. [23:53:41] <kwijibo> (assuming that's not coincidentally the name of a friend of yours)
  260. [23:53:52] <AGraf``> if tantek understood my question correctly he says yes too
  261. [23:54:27] <kwijibo> I say: hcard is for contact details, it makes no sense to use it for names of people that can not be contacted
  262. [23:54:53] <AGraf``> "to contact" is a very broad term
  263. [23:55:58] <kwijibo> but vcard doesn't have a field for "favourite medium"
  264. [23:56:10] <kwijibo> or "ouiji board number"
  265. [23:56:11] <AGraf``> nor does it need
  266. [23:56:38] <kwijibo> of course it doesn't!
  267. [23:57:21] <AGraf``> can anyone settle this? -.-
  268. [23:57:29] <kwijibo> because you can't contact beethoven
  269. [23:57:45] <AGraf``> i really don't know and we're just discussing personal opinions
  270. [23:57:59] <kwijibo> well, no one can stop you using hcard for arbitrary names
  271. [23:58:27] <AGraf``> that's why i was asking if it is intended for that
  272. [23:58:38] <kwijibo> but really, you're being a bit loose with the semantics if you're not using it for genuine contact details
  273. [23:59:03] <AGraf``> as i said, that's why i was asking

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