IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-24

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  1. [00:01:02] <AGraf``> re
  2. [00:01:06] <AGraf``> was away for a sec
  3. [00:01:28] <hax> i'm working all night anyway
  4. [00:01:30] <hax> so it's all good
  5. [00:01:30] <hax> heh
  6. [00:02:03] <AGraf``> <abbr class="type" title="work"> is correct
  7. [00:03:03] <hax> so hcard parsers know to look in 'title' instead of in the text node?
  8. [00:03:28] <AGraf``> hcard parsers that support the abbr pattern do, yes
  9. [00:03:42] <AGraf``> there are several patterns which should be supported by parsers
  10. [00:04:29] <hax> So i'd do: " Work: <abbr class="type" title="work">(800) 555 5555</abbr> " ?
  11. [00:06:17] <AGraf``> <span class="tel">
  12. [00:06:18] <AGraf``> <abbr class="type" title="work">Work Phone</abbr>: <span class="value">+1-213-555-1234</span>
  13. [00:06:18] <AGraf``> </span>
  14. [00:07:01] <hax> oh
  15. [00:07:06] <hax> i guess that makes sense too
  16. [00:07:09] <hax> ty :)
  17. [00:07:11] <jibot> CTho is the really cool SeaMonkey Council member who loves to hack on js stuff and oh yeah also works at AMD
  18. [00:07:31] <AGraf``> np :)
  19. [00:07:41] <hax> AGraf``: err, but from a rendering point of view, wouldn't it make more sense to have the <abbr> encompass the telephone too?
  20. [00:07:47] <AGraf``> you can read more about that here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
  21. [00:07:52] <hax> AGraf``: because otherwise i'm going to get the word 'work' over 'Work Phone' when i hover over it
  22. [00:09:12] <AGraf``> <span class="tel">
  23. [00:09:12] <AGraf``> <span class="type">work</span>
  24. [00:09:12] <AGraf``> <span class="value">+1-213-555-1234</span>
  25. [00:09:12] <AGraf``> </span>
  26. [00:09:14] <AGraf``> this would be the normal markup
  27. [00:09:25] <hax> right
  28. [00:09:58] <hax> that i get
  29. [00:09:59] <hax> heh
  30. [00:09:59] <AGraf``> so you want to "hide" the work and replace it with a word either in another language or with something that's easier to read for humans
  31. [00:10:20] <AGraf``> so you just replace it using the abbr design pattern
  32. [00:10:28] <AGraf``> give me a second..
  33. [00:10:50] <hax> if i replace it with the abbr design pattern, i would have this:
  34. [00:11:09] <hax> <div><abbr class="type" title="work">Office:</abbr> <span class="value">(800) 555 5555</span></div>
  35. [00:11:30] <hax> which means "Office:" has an underline in my browser, and when i hover over it it says 'work'
  36. [00:11:39] <hax> plus it's not really semantically correct
  37. [00:11:54] <hax> i think i like my css solution better
  38. [00:12:27] <hax> <div><span class="type">work</span>Office: <span class="value">(800) 555 5555</span></div> .... span.type { display: none; }
  39. [00:12:43] <AGraf``> I know that it's not semantically correct.
  40. [00:12:54] <AGraf``> It's actually a misuse of the abbr design pattern
  41. [00:12:57] <hax> yeah
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  43. [00:13:06] <hax> i'll just go with my hidden span then
  44. [00:13:07] <AGraf``> See http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues for more on that
  45. [00:13:19] <AGraf``> I wouldn't do that
  46. [00:13:26] <AGraf``> That's even worse, semantically
  47. [00:13:32] <hax> well, 'span' has no meaning
  48. [00:13:38] <AGraf``> a search engine would see:
  49. [00:13:47] <AGraf``> workOffice: (800) 555 5555
  50. [00:13:57] <AGraf``> a human would only see Office
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  52. [00:14:04] <AGraf``> so basically you're hiding content
  53. [00:14:09] <AGraf``> which has semantic meaning
  54. [00:14:10] <hax> yeah
  55. [00:14:11] <hax> hrm
  56. [00:14:14] <AGraf``> that's not good
  57. [00:14:51] <hax> would <span class="type" title="work">Office: "</span> be okay?
  58. [00:14:54] <AGraf``> I'm quoting paul wilkins on that:
  59. [00:15:01] <hax> i dont know if span supports the title attribute
  60. [00:15:07] <AGraf``> no
  61. [00:15:19] <AGraf``> the abbr design pattern REQUIRES you to use <abbr>
  62. [00:15:24] <AGraf``> sorry for the long quote:
  63. [00:15:31] <AGraf``> ------
  64. [00:15:31] <AGraf``> The abbr design pattern is the currently accepted microformat method in which to provide machine readable information for human readable content,
  65. [00:15:31] <AGraf``> as it's defined in the TEL Type Definition at http://www.microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.3.1_TEL_Type_Definition
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  67. [00:15:43] <AGraf``> While the abbr element isn't being used strictly as it was originally intended, there are sufficient grounds to continue using it for the purpose of microformats.
  68. [00:15:43] <AGraf``> The purpose of the abbr design pattern is formally to
  69. [00:15:43] <AGraf``> - to make text that is human readable also formally machine readable
  70. [00:15:43] <hax> hmm ok
  71. [00:15:44] <AGraf``> -----
  72. [00:16:00] <hax> i'll accept that
  73. [00:16:09] <hax> i'll just style that underline out
  74. [00:16:22] <AGraf``> yup
  75. [00:16:26] <hax> no one's really going to hover over it... and i probably gain more from the hcard semantics than i do the html semantics
  76. [00:16:35] <AGraf``> border-bottom: 0 none;
  77. [00:16:38] <hax> yeah
  78. [00:16:42] <hax> well, just 0
  79. [00:17:03] <hax> btw, is hcard case sensitive?
  80. [00:17:05] <hax> i'd think it wouldn't be
  81. [00:17:07] <AGraf``> yeah ;)
  82. [00:17:09] <AGraf``> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-March/009000.html
  83. [00:17:09] <hax> oh dammit
  84. [00:17:13] <AGraf``> see this discussion
  85. [00:17:18] <hax> you mean i can't say "Fax"
  86. [00:17:18] <hax> heh
  87. [00:17:30] <AGraf``> no no i was just agreeing to
  88. [00:17:33] <AGraf``> [01:16:44] <hax> well, just 0
  89. [00:17:45] <hax> oh ok
  90. [00:17:47] <hax> :)
  91. [00:18:05] <hax> oh, and apparently: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-March/009001.html
  92. [00:18:08] <hax> i don't need a voice type at all
  93. [00:18:10] <hax> because its the default
  94. [00:18:15] * hax says goodbye to his abbr problem :)
  95. [00:18:16] <AGraf``> voice is default yes
  96. [00:18:30] <AGraf``> work isn't
  97. [00:18:32] <hax> so it doesnt need to say 'work', since this is for a business anyway
  98. [00:18:34] <hax> voice is sfine
  99. [00:18:35] <hax> *fine
  100. [00:18:42] <AGraf``> oh ok
  101. [00:19:36] <AGraf``> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Are_ADR_and_TEL_types_case_sensitive
  102. [00:19:44] <AGraf``> Are ADR and TEL types case sensitive
  103. [00:19:44] <AGraf``> Is the list of possible types for an ADR and TEL case sensitive?
  104. [00:19:44] <AGraf``> * No, enumerated values are case-insensitive, therefore Home, home, HOME, etc. are all equivalent.
  105. [00:20:08] <hax> nice
  106. [00:20:10] <hax> so Fax is okay
  107. [00:20:15] <AGraf``> HOWEVER, class names ARE case sensitive as per the HTML4 specification.
  108. [00:20:22] <AGraf``> yes, Fax is okay
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  110. [00:21:15] <hax> ok this is great, i got it under control now
  111. [00:21:18] <hax> ty very much :)
  112. [00:21:38] <AGraf``> any time
  113. [00:23:10] <hax> btw, what applications actually read hcard besides browser plugins?
  114. [00:23:17] <hax> i wonder if google maps has been smart enough to pick up on contact info that way
  115. [00:23:35] <AGraf``> kitchen.technorati.com
  116. [00:23:47] <AGraf``> pingerati.com
  117. [00:24:05] <AGraf``> wait
  118. [00:24:13] <AGraf``> pingerati.net
  119. [00:24:14] <AGraf``> ...
  120. [00:24:57] <AGraf``> http://www.metonymie.com/hCard_extract/app.html
  121. [00:25:18] <bewest> hey hax :-)
  122. [00:25:29] <hax> heya bewest
  123. [00:25:30] <bewest> hax: I have a google map program that puts hcards on maps
  124. [00:25:34] <hax> hey, look at you, with your shiny @
  125. [00:25:39] <bewest> I think brian suda does too
  126. [00:25:40] <bewest> heh
  127. [00:25:47] <hax> bewest: link?
  128. [00:25:51] <bewest> (I think mine's broken)
  129. [00:26:02] <hax> bewest: btw, any idea what format google maps finds businesses contact info?
  130. [00:26:19] <hax> and why aren't you in #web :P
  131. [00:26:24] <bewest> I think they have a faq for it
  132. [00:26:34] <bewest> #web can be distracting
  133. [00:26:39] <hax> hah
  134. [00:26:41] <hax> understatement
  135. [00:26:56] <bewest> hax: try this: http://nearwhere.com/guest/37.7002,-122.406,6/?t=Map
  136. [00:26:57] <bewest> :-)
  137. [00:27:14] <bewest> actually
  138. [00:27:15] <bewest> http://nearwhere.com/guest/
  139. [00:27:16] <bewest> try that
  140. [00:27:59] <bewest> ah
  141. [00:28:00] <bewest> it's broke
  142. [00:28:03] <bewest> pity
  143. [00:28:23] <bewest> I had been breaking google's encapsulation and they changed some private variables
  144. [00:28:27] <bewest> so...
  145. [00:28:53] <hax> hrm
  146. [00:29:50] <hax> i'm trying to find info on how google maps actually finds this stuff
  147. [00:29:53] <hax> i wish they made it easier
  148. [00:29:55] <bewest> hax: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?continue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Flocal%2Fadd%2FbusinessCenter%3Fgl%3Dus%26hl%3Den-US&service=lbc&hl=en&gl=US
  149. [00:30:11] <hax> oh wait
  150. [00:30:17] <hax> just found it
  151. [00:30:17] <mfbot> [[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14630 * AndyMabbett * (+234) Real-World Examples - fix URL; revised markup (now using geo!)
  152. [00:30:20] <hax> heh
  153. [00:30:46] <bewest> they probably use some atom pub application
  154. [00:30:52] <bewest> that's their recent trend
  155. [00:31:00] <hax> i'd be fine with that
  156. [00:31:15] <hax> looks like you have to fill it in manually though
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  158. [00:31:44] <bewest> ah csv
  159. [00:31:47] <bewest> nah, they take csv
  160. [00:31:54] <bewest> https://www.google.com/base/help/business_feed_instructions.html?hl=en_US
  161. [00:32:15] <hax> i dunno how you find this stuff so quickly
  162. [00:32:15] <hax> heh
  163. [00:32:34] <bewest> hehe
  164. [00:32:44] <hax> it's only one business for me, so no problem entering it by hand
  165. [00:32:50] <hax> i guess i should have the guys i'm contracting for make the google account and do it though
  166. [00:32:58] <bewest> would be cooler if they crawled hcards though
  167. [00:33:00] <hax> i dont know that i should have clients under my google login
  168. [00:33:01] <hax> yeah
  169. [00:33:04] <hax> that would be *much* cooler
  170. [00:33:05] <hax> and more useful
  171. [00:33:13] <bewest> no, just charge extra
  172. [00:33:14] <hax> bewest: any idea what else i can hint at?
  173. [00:33:24] <bewest> $15 "extra"
  174. [00:33:43] <hax> ?
  175. [00:33:54] <hax> oh
  176. [00:34:09] <hax> well i don't care about that, i just dont want their listing tied to me
  177. [00:34:26] <hax> i guess if its just a hint for google, it doesnt matter
  178. [00:34:41] <bewest> so don't use your login
  179. [00:34:49] <bewest> make one for contracting work
  180. [00:34:55] <bewest> and charge your clients to maintain it
  181. [00:35:01] <hax> heh
  182. [00:35:10] <bewest> they have better things to do
  183. [00:35:30] <hax> well, say i did it on one of my logins... would they be able to update it without my login?
  184. [00:35:34] <hax> like by just telling google something more recent?
  185. [00:35:47] <bewest> dunno
  186. [00:35:50] <bewest> maybe
  187. [00:36:08] <bewest> doesn't matter, really
  188. [00:36:22] <bewest> if it's tied to you, the next guy they hire will just ask you to transfer it over
  189. [00:36:26] <bewest> unless they hire you again
  190. [00:36:34] <bewest> they probably don't want to mess with that stuff, hax
  191. [00:36:59] <hax> yeah
  192. [00:37:08] <hax> well, some stuff on google base would have me as the point of contact though
  193. [00:37:12] <hax> like for service listings
  194. [00:37:15] <hax> so if they wanted to do that, they'd have to make their own login
  195. [00:37:18] <hax> i don't wanna be a point of contact
  196. [00:37:18] <hax> heh
  197. [00:38:05] <bewest> that's what value-add means :-)
  198. [00:38:21] <bewest> I suggest you take care of it for them and charge for it... worry about maintenance another day
  199. [00:38:24] <bewest> that's a good problem to have
  200. [00:38:38] <hax> true
  201. [00:38:54] <bewest> worst case is you farm it out to mechanical turk
  202. [00:39:57] <hax> lolol
  203. [00:40:12] <hax> have you actually used turk for anything yet?
  204. [00:40:18] <hax> i keep looking for an excuse to try it out
  205. [00:41:04] <hax> oh man, have you seen this google coupons thing?
  206. [00:41:05] <hax> this is cool
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  211. [01:17:48] <tantek> hax, for "Fax:" you can say <span class="type">Fax</span>:
  212. [01:17:59] <tantek> no need to use abbr for that case
  213. [01:19:20] <mfbot> [[events/2007-03-23-stanford]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-03-23-stanford&diff=0&oldid=14631 * Tantek * (+69) added presentation link
  214. [01:20:31] <AlexanderGraf> tantek: He wanted it for "work"
  215. [01:20:54] <hax> tantek: yup, thats exactly what i did
  216. [01:20:58] <tantek> ok cool
  217. [01:21:30] <AlexanderGraf> I'm out... night all
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  219. [01:24:10] <hax> g'night AlexanderGraf
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  283. [14:50:04] <jibot> AlexanderGraf is a designer and webdeveloper from Innsbruck, Austria who writes on http://www.aetherworld.org/ and works for DERI Innsbruck (http://www.deri.org/)
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  295. [16:46:02] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  298. [16:50:57] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  310. [17:33:05] <hax> has anyone tried to write a more complete version of http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/hcardtogooglemap/ that you guys are aware of?
  311. [17:33:13] * hax is pondering writing something for commercial use
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  315. [17:54:57] <mfbot> [[criticism]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=14643 * Tantek * (+116) noted warning of inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule to set proper context before trusting readers venture forth
  316. [17:59:13] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14644 * Tantek * (+301)
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  325. [18:20:13] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  332. [18:41:43] <jibot> ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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  353. [20:54:26] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  355. [20:55:46] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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  359. [21:44:38] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  362. [22:08:03] <mfbot> [[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14645 * JoeAndrieu * (-45) Admins - removed personal commentary.
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  364. [22:09:24] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14646 * JoeAndrieu * (+512) Issues -
  365. [22:11:25] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14647 * JoeAndrieu * (-111)
  366. [22:13:26] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14648 * JoeAndrieu * (+121)
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  369. [22:31:32] <hax> Prometheus^: that's wacky
  370. [22:31:40] <hax> whoops, wrong window again... stupid irssi
  371. [22:31:40] <hax> heh
  372. [22:34:37] <Prometheus^> :)
  373. [22:42:39] <mfbot> [[governance]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14649 * Tantek * (+45) Reverted edit of JoeAndrieu, changed back to last version by Kevin Marks
  374. [22:42:43] <hax> Prometheus^: haha, i was wondering why it tab-completed
  375. [22:42:52] <hax> Prometheus^: i'm still getting used to irssi with a window split... it's wacky
  376. [22:42:55] <mfbot> [[governance]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14650 * Tantek * (-1) previous revert restored historically accurate statement
  377. [22:43:02] <Prometheus^> hax: I see ;)
  378. [22:43:20] <hax> Prometheus^: i have the windows bound to vim keys... but because where you actually type doesnt move... i get confused
  379. [22:43:23] <hax> heh
  380. [22:43:43] <Prometheus^> :)
  381. [22:43:55] <Prometheus^> I hang out over here too, the coolest spot in the network ;)
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  383. [22:44:35] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
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  386. [23:05:17] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14651 * JoeAndrieu * (+2222) Added legal entity issue
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  388. [23:05:26] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
  389. [23:06:58] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14652 * JoeAndrieu * (-46) Q: ''Who controls microformats?'' - removed personal commentary.
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  394. [23:29:29] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14653 * Tantek * (+397) added problems and reviewed sections similar to [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
  395. [23:33:51] <mfbot> [[hreview-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-faq&diff=0&oldid=14654 * Tantek * (+193)
  396. [23:35:32] <mfbot> [[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14655 * Tantek * (+46) Reverted edit of JoeAndrieu, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
  397. [23:36:48] <mfbot> [[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14656 * Tantek * (+10) reverted to restore content and changed verb tense to indicate historically accurate statement rather than forward looking personal opinion
  398. [23:36:57] <hax> is there any live way to convert hCards to vCards for download on a site?
  399. [23:37:15] <hax> in other words, i have the hCard, but i'd like my users to have a 'download vCard' buton
  400. [23:37:18] <tantek> that should be in the hcard-faq
  401. [23:37:18] <hax> *button
  402. [23:37:20] <tantek> one sec
  403. [23:37:22] <hax> sure
  404. [23:37:40] <hax> ideally with some sort of javascript trickery, so that they don't need to download anything else... and i don't need to manually make it with a server side script
  405. [23:37:48] <hax> although i think i'm going to have to generate it serverside anyway
  406. [23:38:25] <tantek> wow not in the faq, ok, adding
  407. [23:38:44] <hax> and i helped ;)
  408. [23:38:45] <tantek> short answer, use the Technorati Contacts Feed service
  409. [23:38:51] <hax> oh
  410. [23:39:07] <tantek> <a href="http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/YOURURLHERE">download vCard</a>
  411. [23:39:07] <hax> but the users are just going to see 'Download vCard' and not know its going through your site?
  412. [23:39:28] <hax> do i have to do anything else? like register the site with technorati?
  413. [23:39:49] <tantek> there are many examples of this in the http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
  414. [23:40:04] <hax> oh, great
  415. [23:40:06] <hax> ty very much
  416. [23:40:08] <tantek> no need to register the site. Technorati is running this as a free webservice to help microformats adoption
  417. [23:40:18] <hax> totally kickass.
  418. [23:40:26] <tantek> it is based on the open source XSLT "X2V" by Brian Suda and others.
  419. [23:40:36] <tantek> so if you want, you could even run a local converter yourself
  420. [23:40:41] <tantek> rather than use Technorati's
  421. [23:40:56] <hax> if i use yours, will it auto-add me to any kind of technorati search thing?
  422. [23:41:06] <hax> not that i care, just curious
  423. [23:41:11] <tantek> it's entirely up to you. we at Technorati have deployed redundant servers to handle this service to make it that much easier for web publishers.
  424. [23:41:41] <tantek> Technorati has a technology preview of contact/events/reviews search at http://kitchen.technorati.com/
  425. [23:41:50] <hax> sweet
  426. [23:41:59] <hax> i'll use technorati's then :)
  427. [23:42:02] <hax> added value :P
  428. [23:42:29] <hax> brb, gotta finish writing this letter (wanted to make sure i was right about vcard before i told the client)
  429. [23:42:30] <tantek> you can also add pinging support, to ping http://pingerati.net/ whenever any page with microformats on your site is updated.
  430. [23:42:33] <hax> brb
  431. [23:42:54] <tantek> Pingerati then propagates that update to all the sites that want to get microformats updates.
  432. [23:42:59] <tantek> including Technorati
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  435. [23:59:04] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=14657 * Tantek * (+842) add "How do I convert hCards to vCards for download on a site" Q&A
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