IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-24
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- [00:01:02] <AGraf``>
re
- [00:01:06] <AGraf``>
was away for a sec
- [00:01:28] <hax>
i'm working all night anyway
- [00:01:30] <hax>
so it's all good
- [00:01:30] <hax>
heh
- [00:02:03] <AGraf``>
<abbr class="type" title="work"> is correct
- [00:03:03] <hax>
so hcard parsers know to look in 'title' instead of in the text node?
- [00:03:28] <AGraf``>
hcard parsers that support the abbr pattern do, yes
- [00:03:42] <AGraf``>
there are several patterns which should be supported by parsers
- [00:04:29] <hax>
So i'd do: " Work: <abbr class="type" title="work">(800) 555 5555</abbr> " ?
- [00:06:17] <AGraf``>
<span class="tel">
- [00:06:18] <AGraf``>
<abbr class="type" title="work">Work Phone</abbr>: <span class="value">+1-213-555-1234</span>
- [00:06:18] <AGraf``>
</span>
- [00:07:01] <hax>
oh
- [00:07:06] <hax>
i guess that makes sense too
- [00:07:09] <hax>
ty :)
- [00:07:11] <jibot>
CTho is the really cool SeaMonkey Council member who loves to hack on js stuff and oh yeah also works at AMD
- [00:07:31] <AGraf``>
np :)
- [00:07:41] <hax>
AGraf``: err, but from a rendering point of view, wouldn't it make more sense to have the <abbr> encompass the telephone too?
- [00:07:47] <AGraf``>
you can read more about that here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
- [00:07:52] <hax>
AGraf``: because otherwise i'm going to get the word 'work' over 'Work Phone' when i hover over it
- [00:09:12] <AGraf``>
<span class="tel">
- [00:09:12] <AGraf``>
<span class="type">work</span>
- [00:09:12] <AGraf``>
<span class="value">+1-213-555-1234</span>
- [00:09:12] <AGraf``>
</span>
- [00:09:14] <AGraf``>
this would be the normal markup
- [00:09:25] <hax>
right
- [00:09:58] <hax>
that i get
- [00:09:59] <hax>
heh
- [00:09:59] <AGraf``>
so you want to "hide" the work and replace it with a word either in another language or with something that's easier to read for humans
- [00:10:20] <AGraf``>
so you just replace it using the abbr design pattern
- [00:10:28] <AGraf``>
give me a second..
- [00:10:50] <hax>
if i replace it with the abbr design pattern, i would have this:
- [00:11:09] <hax>
<div><abbr class="type" title="work">Office:</abbr> <span class="value">(800) 555 5555</span></div>
- [00:11:30] <hax>
which means "Office:" has an underline in my browser, and when i hover over it it says 'work'
- [00:11:39] <hax>
plus it's not really semantically correct
- [00:11:54] <hax>
i think i like my css solution better
- [00:12:27] <hax>
<div><span class="type">work</span>Office: <span class="value">(800) 555 5555</span></div> .... span.type { display: none; }
- [00:12:43] <AGraf``>
I know that it's not semantically correct.
- [00:12:54] <AGraf``>
It's actually a misuse of the abbr design pattern
- [00:12:57] <hax>
yeah
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- [00:13:06] <hax>
i'll just go with my hidden span then
- [00:13:07] <AGraf``>
See http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues for more on that
- [00:13:19] <AGraf``>
I wouldn't do that
- [00:13:26] <AGraf``>
That's even worse, semantically
- [00:13:32] <hax>
well, 'span' has no meaning
- [00:13:38] <AGraf``>
a search engine would see:
- [00:13:47] <AGraf``>
workOffice: (800) 555 5555
- [00:13:57] <AGraf``>
a human would only see Office
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- [00:14:04] <AGraf``>
so basically you're hiding content
- [00:14:09] <AGraf``>
which has semantic meaning
- [00:14:10] <hax>
yeah
- [00:14:11] <hax>
hrm
- [00:14:14] <AGraf``>
that's not good
- [00:14:51] <hax>
would <span class="type" title="work">Office: "</span> be okay?
- [00:14:54] <AGraf``>
I'm quoting paul wilkins on that:
- [00:15:01] <hax>
i dont know if span supports the title attribute
- [00:15:07] <AGraf``>
no
- [00:15:19] <AGraf``>
the abbr design pattern REQUIRES you to use <abbr>
- [00:15:24] <AGraf``>
sorry for the long quote:
- [00:15:31] <AGraf``>
------
- [00:15:31] <AGraf``>
The abbr design pattern is the currently accepted microformat method in which to provide machine readable information for human readable content,
- [00:15:31] <AGraf``>
as it's defined in the TEL Type Definition at http://www.microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.3.1_TEL_Type_Definition
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- [00:15:43] <AGraf``>
While the abbr element isn't being used strictly as it was originally intended, there are sufficient grounds to continue using it for the purpose of microformats.
- [00:15:43] <AGraf``>
The purpose of the abbr design pattern is formally to
- [00:15:43] <AGraf``>
- to make text that is human readable also formally machine readable
- [00:15:43] <hax>
hmm ok
- [00:15:44] <AGraf``>
-----
- [00:16:00] <hax>
i'll accept that
- [00:16:09] <hax>
i'll just style that underline out
- [00:16:22] <AGraf``>
yup
- [00:16:26] <hax>
no one's really going to hover over it... and i probably gain more from the hcard semantics than i do the html semantics
- [00:16:35] <AGraf``>
border-bottom: 0 none;
- [00:16:38] <hax>
yeah
- [00:16:42] <hax>
well, just 0
- [00:17:03] <hax>
btw, is hcard case sensitive?
- [00:17:05] <hax>
i'd think it wouldn't be
- [00:17:07] <AGraf``>
yeah ;)
- [00:17:09] <AGraf``>
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-March/009000.html
- [00:17:09] <hax>
oh dammit
- [00:17:13] <AGraf``>
see this discussion
- [00:17:18] <hax>
you mean i can't say "Fax"
- [00:17:18] <hax>
heh
- [00:17:30] <AGraf``>
no no i was just agreeing to
- [00:17:33] <AGraf``>
[01:16:44] <hax> well, just 0
- [00:17:45] <hax>
oh ok
- [00:17:47] <hax>
:)
- [00:18:05] <hax>
oh, and apparently: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-March/009001.html
- [00:18:08] <hax>
i don't need a voice type at all
- [00:18:10] <hax>
because its the default
- [00:18:15] * hax says goodbye to his abbr problem :)
- [00:18:16] <AGraf``>
voice is default yes
- [00:18:30] <AGraf``>
work isn't
- [00:18:32] <hax>
so it doesnt need to say 'work', since this is for a business anyway
- [00:18:34] <hax>
voice is sfine
- [00:18:35] <hax>
*fine
- [00:18:42] <AGraf``>
oh ok
- [00:19:36] <AGraf``>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Are_ADR_and_TEL_types_case_sensitive
- [00:19:44] <AGraf``>
Are ADR and TEL types case sensitive
- [00:19:44] <AGraf``>
Is the list of possible types for an ADR and TEL case sensitive?
- [00:19:44] <AGraf``>
* No, enumerated values are case-insensitive, therefore Home, home, HOME, etc. are all equivalent.
- [00:20:08] <hax>
nice
- [00:20:10] <hax>
so Fax is okay
- [00:20:15] <AGraf``>
HOWEVER, class names ARE case sensitive as per the HTML4 specification.
- [00:20:22] <AGraf``>
yes, Fax is okay
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- [00:21:15] <hax>
ok this is great, i got it under control now
- [00:21:18] <hax>
ty very much :)
- [00:21:38] <AGraf``>
any time
- [00:23:10] <hax>
btw, what applications actually read hcard besides browser plugins?
- [00:23:17] <hax>
i wonder if google maps has been smart enough to pick up on contact info that way
- [00:23:35] <AGraf``>
kitchen.technorati.com
- [00:23:47] <AGraf``>
pingerati.com
- [00:24:05] <AGraf``>
wait
- [00:24:13] <AGraf``>
pingerati.net
- [00:24:14] <AGraf``>
...
- [00:24:57] <AGraf``>
http://www.metonymie.com/hCard_extract/app.html
- [00:25:18] <bewest>
hey hax :-)
- [00:25:29] <hax>
heya bewest
- [00:25:30] <bewest>
hax: I have a google map program that puts hcards on maps
- [00:25:34] <hax>
hey, look at you, with your shiny @
- [00:25:39] <bewest>
I think brian suda does too
- [00:25:40] <bewest>
heh
- [00:25:47] <hax>
bewest: link?
- [00:25:51] <bewest>
(I think mine's broken)
- [00:26:02] <hax>
bewest: btw, any idea what format google maps finds businesses contact info?
- [00:26:19] <hax>
and why aren't you in #web :P
- [00:26:24] <bewest>
I think they have a faq for it
- [00:26:34] <bewest>
#web can be distracting
- [00:26:39] <hax>
hah
- [00:26:41] <hax>
understatement
- [00:26:56] <bewest>
hax: try this: http://nearwhere.com/guest/37.7002,-122.406,6/?t=Map
- [00:26:57] <bewest>
:-)
- [00:27:14] <bewest>
actually
- [00:27:15] <bewest>
http://nearwhere.com/guest/
- [00:27:16] <bewest>
try that
- [00:27:59] <bewest>
ah
- [00:28:00] <bewest>
it's broke
- [00:28:03] <bewest>
pity
- [00:28:23] <bewest>
I had been breaking google's encapsulation and they changed some private variables
- [00:28:27] <bewest>
so...
- [00:28:53] <hax>
hrm
- [00:29:50] <hax>
i'm trying to find info on how google maps actually finds this stuff
- [00:29:53] <hax>
i wish they made it easier
- [00:29:55] <bewest>
hax: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?continue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Flocal%2Fadd%2FbusinessCenter%3Fgl%3Dus%26hl%3Den-US&service=lbc&hl=en&gl=US
- [00:30:11] <hax>
oh wait
- [00:30:17] <hax>
just found it
- [00:30:17] <mfbot>
[[geo-waypoint-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-waypoint-examples&diff=0&oldid=14630 * AndyMabbett * (+234) Real-World Examples - fix URL; revised markup (now using geo!)
- [00:30:20] <hax>
heh
- [00:30:46] <bewest>
they probably use some atom pub application
- [00:30:52] <bewest>
that's their recent trend
- [00:31:00] <hax>
i'd be fine with that
- [00:31:15] <hax>
looks like you have to fill it in manually though
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- [00:31:44] <bewest>
ah csv
- [00:31:47] <bewest>
nah, they take csv
- [00:31:54] <bewest>
https://www.google.com/base/help/business_feed_instructions.html?hl=en_US
- [00:32:15] <hax>
i dunno how you find this stuff so quickly
- [00:32:15] <hax>
heh
- [00:32:34] <bewest>
hehe
- [00:32:44] <hax>
it's only one business for me, so no problem entering it by hand
- [00:32:50] <hax>
i guess i should have the guys i'm contracting for make the google account and do it though
- [00:32:58] <bewest>
would be cooler if they crawled hcards though
- [00:33:00] <hax>
i dont know that i should have clients under my google login
- [00:33:01] <hax>
yeah
- [00:33:04] <hax>
that would be *much* cooler
- [00:33:05] <hax>
and more useful
- [00:33:13] <bewest>
no, just charge extra
- [00:33:14] <hax>
bewest: any idea what else i can hint at?
- [00:33:24] <bewest>
$15 "extra"
- [00:33:43] <hax>
?
- [00:33:54] <hax>
oh
- [00:34:09] <hax>
well i don't care about that, i just dont want their listing tied to me
- [00:34:26] <hax>
i guess if its just a hint for google, it doesnt matter
- [00:34:41] <bewest>
so don't use your login
- [00:34:49] <bewest>
make one for contracting work
- [00:34:55] <bewest>
and charge your clients to maintain it
- [00:35:01] <hax>
heh
- [00:35:10] <bewest>
they have better things to do
- [00:35:30] <hax>
well, say i did it on one of my logins... would they be able to update it without my login?
- [00:35:34] <hax>
like by just telling google something more recent?
- [00:35:47] <bewest>
dunno
- [00:35:50] <bewest>
maybe
- [00:36:08] <bewest>
doesn't matter, really
- [00:36:22] <bewest>
if it's tied to you, the next guy they hire will just ask you to transfer it over
- [00:36:26] <bewest>
unless they hire you again
- [00:36:34] <bewest>
they probably don't want to mess with that stuff, hax
- [00:36:59] <hax>
yeah
- [00:37:08] <hax>
well, some stuff on google base would have me as the point of contact though
- [00:37:12] <hax>
like for service listings
- [00:37:15] <hax>
so if they wanted to do that, they'd have to make their own login
- [00:37:18] <hax>
i don't wanna be a point of contact
- [00:37:18] <hax>
heh
- [00:38:05] <bewest>
that's what value-add means :-)
- [00:38:21] <bewest>
I suggest you take care of it for them and charge for it... worry about maintenance another day
- [00:38:24] <bewest>
that's a good problem to have
- [00:38:38] <hax>
true
- [00:38:54] <bewest>
worst case is you farm it out to mechanical turk
- [00:39:57] <hax>
lolol
- [00:40:12] <hax>
have you actually used turk for anything yet?
- [00:40:18] <hax>
i keep looking for an excuse to try it out
- [00:41:04] <hax>
oh man, have you seen this google coupons thing?
- [00:41:05] <hax>
this is cool
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- [01:17:48] <tantek>
hax, for "Fax:" you can say <span class="type">Fax</span>:
- [01:17:59] <tantek>
no need to use abbr for that case
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[[events/2007-03-23-stanford]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-03-23-stanford&diff=0&oldid=14631 * Tantek * (+69) added presentation link
- [01:20:31] <AlexanderGraf>
tantek: He wanted it for "work"
- [01:20:54] <hax>
tantek: yup, thats exactly what i did
- [01:20:58] <tantek>
ok cool
- [01:21:30] <AlexanderGraf>
I'm out... night all
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g'night AlexanderGraf
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=14632 * Tantek * (+94) added Microformats at Stanford
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[[spellcheck]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spellcheck&diff=0&oldid=14637 * AndyMabbett * (+5) dev (as in microformats-dev mailing list)
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iand, are you online?
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=14640 * AndyMabbett * (+188) Wikipedia - Other Wikipedia book & citation templates
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AlexanderGraf is a designer and webdeveloper from Innsbruck, Austria who writes on http://www.aetherworld.org/ and works for DERI Innsbruck (http://www.deri.org/)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14641 * AndyMabbett * (+249) Issues - Prompt resolution of IP issue would be advisable
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=14642 * AndyMabbett * (+96) Journal Articles - Infobx
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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has anyone tried to write a more complete version of http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/hcardtogooglemap/ that you guys are aware of?
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[criticism]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=14643 * Tantek * (+116) noted warning of inflammatory rhetoric and ridicule to set proper context before trusting readers venture forth
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14644 * Tantek * (+301)
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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ichigo is Thomas Schranz, developer of http://footag.com, journal at http://suitcase.at
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14645 * JoeAndrieu * (-45) Admins - removed personal commentary.
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14646 * JoeAndrieu * (+512) Issues -
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14647 * JoeAndrieu * (-111)
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14648 * JoeAndrieu * (+121)
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Prometheus^: that's wacky
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whoops, wrong window again... stupid irssi
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heh
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:)
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[[governance]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14649 * Tantek * (+45) Reverted edit of JoeAndrieu, changed back to last version by Kevin Marks
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Prometheus^: haha, i was wondering why it tab-completed
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Prometheus^: i'm still getting used to irssi with a window split... it's wacky
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[[governance]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=14650 * Tantek * (-1) previous revert restored historically accurate statement
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hax: I see ;)
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Prometheus^: i have the windows bound to vim keys... but because where you actually type doesnt move... i get confused
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heh
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:)
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I hang out over here too, the coolest spot in the network ;)
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=14651 * JoeAndrieu * (+2222) Added legal entity issue
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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[[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14652 * JoeAndrieu * (-46) Q: ''Who controls microformats?'' - removed personal commentary.
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14653 * Tantek * (+397) added problems and reviewed sections similar to [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
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[[hreview-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-faq&diff=0&oldid=14654 * Tantek * (+193)
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14655 * Tantek * (+46) Reverted edit of JoeAndrieu, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=14656 * Tantek * (+10) reverted to restore content and changed verb tense to indicate historically accurate statement rather than forward looking personal opinion
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is there any live way to convert hCards to vCards for download on a site?
- [23:37:15] <hax>
in other words, i have the hCard, but i'd like my users to have a 'download vCard' buton
- [23:37:18] <tantek>
that should be in the hcard-faq
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*button
- [23:37:20] <tantek>
one sec
- [23:37:22] <hax>
sure
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ideally with some sort of javascript trickery, so that they don't need to download anything else... and i don't need to manually make it with a server side script
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although i think i'm going to have to generate it serverside anyway
- [23:38:25] <tantek>
wow not in the faq, ok, adding
- [23:38:44] <hax>
and i helped ;)
- [23:38:45] <tantek>
short answer, use the Technorati Contacts Feed service
- [23:38:51] <hax>
oh
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<a href="http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/YOURURLHERE">download vCard</a>
- [23:39:07] <hax>
but the users are just going to see 'Download vCard' and not know its going through your site?
- [23:39:28] <hax>
do i have to do anything else? like register the site with technorati?
- [23:39:49] <tantek>
there are many examples of this in the http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild
- [23:40:04] <hax>
oh, great
- [23:40:06] <hax>
ty very much
- [23:40:08] <tantek>
no need to register the site. Technorati is running this as a free webservice to help microformats adoption
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totally kickass.
- [23:40:26] <tantek>
it is based on the open source XSLT "X2V" by Brian Suda and others.
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so if you want, you could even run a local converter yourself
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rather than use Technorati's
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if i use yours, will it auto-add me to any kind of technorati search thing?
- [23:41:06] <hax>
not that i care, just curious
- [23:41:11] <tantek>
it's entirely up to you. we at Technorati have deployed redundant servers to handle this service to make it that much easier for web publishers.
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Technorati has a technology preview of contact/events/reviews search at http://kitchen.technorati.com/
- [23:41:50] <hax>
sweet
- [23:41:59] <hax>
i'll use technorati's then :)
- [23:42:02] <hax>
added value :P
- [23:42:29] <hax>
brb, gotta finish writing this letter (wanted to make sure i was right about vcard before i told the client)
- [23:42:30] <tantek>
you can also add pinging support, to ping http://pingerati.net/ whenever any page with microformats on your site is updated.
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brb
- [23:42:54] <tantek>
Pingerati then propagates that update to all the sites that want to get microformats updates.
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including Technorati
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[[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=14657 * Tantek * (+842) add "How do I convert hCards to vCards for download on a site" Q&A
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