IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-08
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- [01:01:13] <hax>
bewest: you here?
- [01:03:25] <bewest>
yes
- [01:03:48] <hax>
bewest: you had a site of yours that did hcard->gmap right?
- [01:03:55] <bewest>
kind of, yes
- [01:03:56] <hax>
i'm looking for it, can't find it
- [01:04:05] * hax is going to try to code up a generic way to do that tonight
- [01:05:22] <bewest>
it actually takes b64(gzip(hcard)) and puts that on a map
- [01:05:33] <bewest>
it's http://nearwhere.com/
- [01:05:53] <bewest>
hcard generation is done svn checkout http://boto.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ boto
- [01:05:55] <bewest>
erm
- [01:06:09] <bewest>
http://nearwhere.com/guest/45.6605,-122.615,6/?t=Map
- [01:06:17] <hax>
bewest: for that to work does the hcard contain the geo stuff?
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- [01:09:11] <bewest>
um
- [01:09:15] <bewest>
no
- [01:09:17] <bewest>
the format is
- [01:10:11] <bewest>
http://www.nearwhere.com/$category/$lat,$lon/base64(gzip($hcard) I think
- [01:10:26] <bewest>
?opts
- [01:11:03] <bewest>
there is some major bit rot
- [01:11:04] <bewest>
:-(
- [01:11:08] <bewest>
dunno how that happens
- [01:11:35] <hax>
interesting, i dont think i can really re-use that unfortunately though
- [01:12:05] <hax>
i saw a while back someone else had a hcard->gmaps that one was just one small bit of javascript
- [01:12:10] * hax is digging to try and find that again
- [01:12:24] <bewest>
probably brian suda or mkaply
- [01:12:32] <tantek>
hax, check http://austin.adactio.com
- [01:12:44] <tantek>
that has some hCard+geo -> gmaps
- [01:12:52] <tantek>
in a small bit of javascript
- [01:13:00] <hax>
that wasnt it, but that looks like it'll do it too
- [01:13:07] <bewest>
man, my thing is totally broken :-(
- [01:13:25] <hax>
:(
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- [01:14:18] <hax>
do you think there'd be a better logical progression to go hcard -> js structure first?
- [01:14:21] <hax>
like as a library?
- [01:14:27] <hax>
to make it easier to write javascript apps with hcards
- [01:15:47] <hax>
(just a thought)
- [01:15:57] <bewest>
there has been some talk about that
- [01:16:06] <hax>
got a link?
- [01:16:13] <hax>
that might be something worth working on, it'd sure help me a lot
- [01:16:15] <bewest>
hmmm
- [01:16:20] <bewest>
mailing archives and irc logs
- [01:16:28] <bewest>
I'd have to search to find them
- [01:16:31] <hax>
ehh, it's okay then
- [01:16:41] <hax>
if there's no existing project, it probably doesnt matter much anyway
- [01:16:48] <bewest>
no existing project
- [01:16:54] <hax>
bewest: just from your years of js though, what would you think the smartest approach would be?
- [01:16:58] <bewest>
the use cases were actually for QA purposes
- [01:17:05] <hax>
bewest: i think just having the thing in a big associative array would be very useful
- [01:17:22] <hax>
bewest: i'm thinking more along the lines of a library that scans pages for vcard classes then maps out all the stuff inside of it
- [01:17:33] <bewest>
I came up with http://dichotomize.com/czmap/hcard_structure.js about a year ago
- [01:17:34] <hax>
in fact, i could probably steal some of the code from some of those greasemonkey scripts
- [01:17:40] <bewest>
I throw it around every once in awhile
- [01:17:44] <bewest>
no one has picked up on
- [01:17:50] <hax>
well that's certainly helpful
- [01:17:50] <hax>
lol
- [01:17:54] <bewest>
however, mkaply has something a bit more complete
- [01:18:10] <bewest>
although it mixes procedures in with a declaritive structure
- [01:18:25] <bewest>
kingryan might have something as well
- [01:18:26] <bewest>
dunno
- [01:18:35] <bewest>
you should be talking to mkaply
- [01:18:37] <bewest>
and possibly markp
- [01:18:44] <hax>
neither one's here :/
- [01:19:05] * hax adds them to the todo list
- [01:19:07] <bewest>
http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/01/03/operator-06-is-available/
- [01:19:41] <hax>
neat
- [01:20:02] * hax installs
- [01:20:53] <hax>
wow this thing is neat
- [01:21:46] <bewest>
I know there is an svn repo somewhere at labs.mozilla.com
- [01:21:50] <bewest>
he's linked to it before
- [01:21:54] <bewest>
so I bet it's in the irc archive
- [01:23:01] <hax>
hmm
- [01:26:45] <bewest>
got it
- [01:26:56] <bewest>
hax: http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/ufJS/microformats/hCard.js
- [01:28:54] <hax>
thats cool
- [01:29:08] <hax>
bewest: does he also have a bit that scans the page and populate an array of those things?
- [01:29:08] <bewest>
he and I have been discussing if the function can be boiled down into a list of preferred xpaths
- [01:29:18] * hax looks up with ufGS is
- [01:29:28] <hax>
bewest: can you query xpath on regular html?
- [01:30:10] <bewest>
I think so http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/ufJS/ufJS.js
- [01:30:28] <bewest>
it's implementation dependent
- [01:30:39] <hax>
so this is for chrome only?
- [01:30:51] <hax>
oh, this is actually part of his plugin
- [01:30:53] <bewest>
ufJS.js is
- [01:30:54] <hax>
i see now
- [01:31:49] <hax>
i wonder if anyone has a generic way to take a vcard class and put it into this ufJSParser.microformats.hCard format
- [01:32:18] <bewest>
however, I think all you need is http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2006/03/faster/
- [01:32:41] <bewest>
about 9 months ago I started doing less js and more python
- [01:32:51] <bewest>
so I'm actually rusty now
- [01:32:59] <bewest>
haven't accomplished too much in python
- [01:33:04] <bewest>
maybe I should switch back
- [01:33:15] <bewest>
although I haven't had my own hardware to release free software on since then either
- [01:33:19] <hax>
interesting
- [01:33:33] <hax>
bewest: python is neat btw
- [01:33:41] <hax>
bewest: i just did a django install a few days ago, very impressive, very usable
- [01:33:49] <hax>
i could get used to working with that
- [01:33:53] <bewest>
still trying to piece together my dream publishing platform
- [01:34:07] <bewest>
still lacking a decent host
- [01:34:10] <hax>
i hear that
- [01:34:12] <hax>
heh
- [01:34:24] <hax>
bewest: i think i'm gonna hold out on this until i get a chance to talk with mkaply
- [01:34:26] <bewest>
although kingryan has good things to say about serverbeach
- [01:34:30] <hax>
i use them
- [01:34:32] <hax>
they're okay
- [01:34:37] <bewest>
my roommate has good things to say about linode
- [01:35:01] <bewest>
and my father keeps promising hosts after his eternal migration
- [01:35:03] <bewest>
so who knows
- [01:35:10] <hax>
well, the only problem with serverbeach is they wont raid the cheap servers for you, even though it comes with 2 drives
- [01:35:19] <hax>
so i have a drive sitting there that should be raided, but instead is doing nothing
- [01:35:36] <hax>
and setting up software raid on a box you're not physically infront of is next to impossible
- [01:35:39] <bewest>
I should be applying microformats philosophy, though by doing the 80/20 and simplest thing first though
- [01:35:52] <bewest>
arguably fulfilled via my wordpress account
- [01:36:11] <hax>
heh
- [01:37:02] <hax>
bewest: i'm thinking about seriously starting to market myself, as i get closer to graduate
- [01:37:15] <hax>
bewest: and maybe just having a local consulting firm as my fulltime job the year i graduate
- [01:37:23] <hax>
i mean, why the hell not, i think i can do it
- [01:37:33] <bewest>
depends what you want
- [01:37:47] <hax>
yeah
- [01:37:58] * hax is getting back into web dev now as a result
- [01:38:27] <bewest>
there seems to be plenty of webdev work
- [01:38:55] <hax>
yeah, i think if i can fill the right niche for small businesses, i could build quite a business
- [01:39:07] <hax>
bewest: seeing as we know who is currently doing that and making money, since we both worked for jackasses like that
- [01:39:12] <hax>
i feel i could be competitive
- [01:39:57] <bewest>
as far as I can tell there is plenty of room for competition throughout the entire industry, not just niche markets
- [01:41:19] <hax>
you think?
- [01:41:28] <hax>
maybe it's the right time to make a move then
- [01:42:49] <bewest>
I think what I'm saying is you have plenty of time... there's no rush to make amove
- [01:42:53] <bewest>
focus on school
- [01:42:54] <bewest>
:-)
- [01:43:51] <hax>
:P
- [01:43:59] <hax>
yeah, one year to go though (hopefully)
- [01:44:09] <hax>
the thing i don't like about school is that the money seems to be flowing in the wrong direction
- [01:44:12] <hax>
heh
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- [01:51:40] <hax>
sounds delicious
- [01:51:42] <hax>
how's the coffee out there?
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- [01:56:34] <bewest>
good
- [01:58:38] <hax>
:)
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[[quickpack-syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/quickpack-syntax * Chris Messina * (+1040)
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[[quickpack-syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=quickpack-syntax&diff=0&oldid=15264 * Chris Messina * (+40)
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[[hcard-authoring-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring-fr&diff=0&oldid=15265 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) typo
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15266 * ChristopheDucamp * (-45) 3.2.1 Définition Type ADR - restored with an english example
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=15267 * ChristopheDucamp * (+8) [fr: link to french section]
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15268 * ChristopheDucamp * (-52) 3.2.2 Définition Type LABEL - restored with original example
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15269 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) 3.3.3 Définition Type MAILER - typo
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15270 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Exemple 1 - typo
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15271 * ChristopheDucamp * (+12) Exemple 2 -
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[[hcard-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=15272 * ChristopheDucamp * (+7) Problème avec Information BDAY -
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[[picoformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=15273 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Documented Syntaxes - sort
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=15274 * ChristopheDucamp * (+244) Pourquoi le nom de classe racine est vcard - sync'd
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=15275 * ChristopheDucamp * (+15) Big duplication to be cleaned
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=15276 * ChristopheDucamp * (-13212) [fr:deduplicated - to be fact-checked with original copy]
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[[hcard-faq-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=15277 * ChristopheDucamp * (+997) add french example with several addresses in hCard - to be reviewed
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xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15278 * ArticleSeven * (+136) New Examples -
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nickserv
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hi all, I just posted a french example here http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq-fr#Comment_baliser_plusieurs_adresses
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interested to have some peer-revision with several addresses in a hcard with localization of title attributes ?
- [12:12:24] <xtof>
thanks in advance
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=15279 * ChristopheDucamp * (+137) Exemples pour se conformer -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15280 * ArticleSeven * (+30) Minor edit to Buy Our Honeymoon entry
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wow, 4 days, 7 parallel tracks and no mention of microformats: http://www.semantic-conference.com/2007/conferenceglance.html
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oh, hang on
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'http://www.semantic-conference.com/2007/sessions/g5.html one
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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KevinMarks, add it to http://microformats.org/wiki/events !
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=15281 * ChristopheDucamp * (+34) Exemples pour se conformer - sync'd
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15286 * ThomasBreuel * (+18) Give citation data for the page being visited -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15287 * ThomasBreuel * (+0) Requirements -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15288 * ThomasBreuel * (+295) Requirements -
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[luna-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-examples&diff=0&oldid=15289 * AndyMabbett * (+110) Wikipedia list of objects
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[[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=15290 * AndyMabbett * (+324) Wikipedia objects on Mars; Venus
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15291 * ThomasBreuel * (+985) Requirements -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15292 * ThomasBreuel * (+331) Possible Requirement: Rendering of Non-Textual Content -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15293 * ThomasBreuel * (-10) Possible Requirement: Rendering of Non-Textual Content -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15294 * ThomasBreuel * (+402) Possible Requirement: Encapsulation of Non-Semantic Content -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15295 * ThomasBreuel * (-8) Possible Requirement: No Additional Converters -
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15297 * AndyMabbett * (+74) Requirements - Preceding section is titled "use cases"!
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anyone around that is familiar with the citation stuff?
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=15298 * BenWest * (+82) Create link to citation-issues
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[[citation-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-issues * BenWest * (+3412) moving "requirements" from brainstorming to issues.
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15299 * BenWest * (-3045) moved ThomasBreuel's requirements into an issue page... about to move more issues there as well.
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