IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-19

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  5. [00:31:17] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  6. [00:34:18] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=15761 * RyanKing * (+1) Upcoming -
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  13. [01:09:17] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  18. [01:45:33] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15763 * ManuSporny * (+499) genre -
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  23. [02:09:54] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15764 * ManuSporny * (+404) Recommendations -
  24. [02:10:51] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15765 * ManuSporny * (-130) Recommendations -
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  26. [02:12:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15766 * ManuSporny * (+6) Recommendations -
  27. [02:13:38] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15767 * ManuSporny * (+4) Recommendations -
  28. [02:19:24] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15768 * ManuSporny * (+49) See Also -
  29. [02:19:50] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=15769 * ManuSporny * (+4) Proposal -
  30. [03:11:13] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal * ManuSporny * (+8318) Initial commit of first hAudio draft
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  32. [03:19:09] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=15770 * ManuSporny * (+456) Schema -
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  36. [03:38:01] <Aubergine10> hi - anyone know which of the mailing lists the proposed XPN (XHTML Professionals Network) is being discussed on?
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  38. [03:42:07] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  40. [04:03:45] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  48. [05:11:15] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=15771 * ChristopheDucamp * (-682) A venir : -
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  50. [05:11:41] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=15772 * ChristopheDucamp * (+908) Récents -
  51. [05:16:27] <mfbot> [[events-fr/2007-04-17-web-2-expo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr/2007-04-17-web-2-expo&diff=0&oldid=15773 * ChristopheDucamp * (+785)
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  62. [06:32:32] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  65. [07:03:39] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  67. [07:07:55] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  70. [07:24:07] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  78. [08:04:57] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  81. [08:11:27] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  84. [08:26:19] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  96. [09:27:33] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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  100. [09:41:21] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  101. [09:47:49] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15775 * AndyMabbett * (+629) New Examples -
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  104. [09:58:37] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  105. [09:59:37] <Azath0th> hi julianstahnke
  106. [09:59:43] <julianstahnke> hello
  107. [09:59:47] <Azath0th> du bist als f�r die MF bei last.fm verantwortlich :)
  108. [09:59:53] <julianstahnke> genau
  109. [10:00:15] <julianstahnke> wobei das in letzter Zeit ein wenig vernachlässigt werden musste ;)
  110. [10:00:23] <Azath0th> so viel arbeit?
  111. [10:00:29] <julianstahnke> ja
  112. [10:00:30] <Azath0th> was is deine hauptaufgabe? J2EE?
  113. [10:00:49] <julianstahnke> designen und html/css coden
  114. [10:00:51] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15776 * SeanHayes * (+2873)
  115. [10:00:56] <Azath0th> ah
  116. [10:01:02] <julianstahnke> wobei's in letzter Zeit mehr coden als designen war ;)
  117. [10:01:22] <Azath0th> was muss man machen um eine antwort von last.fm auf seine bewerbung zu bekommen?
  118. [10:01:41] <julianstahnke> hm, sie an die richtige Adresse schicken. wofür hast du dich denn beworben?
  119. [10:01:47] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15777 * AndyMabbett * (+1) New Examples -
  120. [10:01:50] <Azath0th> php developer
  121. [10:02:17] <julianstahnke> und an wen hast du sie geschickt?
  122. [10:02:31] <Azath0th> jobs@last.fm wie auf der page ausgeschrieben http://www.last.fm/about/jobs/
  123. [10:02:38] <Azath0th> h�tt ich an russ direkt schicken sollen?
  124. [10:02:50] <julianstahnke> ah. wie ist dein name/oder deine mail-adresse? dann kann ich mal nachfragen
  125. [10:03:18] <Azath0th> Florian Beer flo@no-panic.at
  126. [10:03:19] <Azath0th> danke :)
  127. [10:03:23] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15778 * AndyMabbett * (+123) New Examples - Wikipedia cities
  128. [10:03:34] <Azath0th> eilt nicht, nur es sind schon 2 1/2 wochen und ich dachte langsam ist es legitim mal nachzufragen
  129. [10:03:44] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15779 * AndyMabbett * (+9) New Examples -
  130. [10:04:40] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15780 * SeanHayes * (+379) Notes -
  131. [10:04:57] <julianstahnke> jo, ich frag mal nach. sind aber noch nicht alle da, kann also ein bisschen dauern ;)
  132. [10:05:09] <Azath0th> braucht auch nicht heute geschehen ;)
  133. [10:05:51] <Azath0th> im prinzip ist meine faustregel ja auch erst nach 3 wochen anchzufragen, aber ich dachte wenn ich dich schon hier sehe kann ich mal direkt nachstochern *g*
  134. [10:11:06] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15781 * SeanHayes * (+447) Possible microformat -
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  136. [10:13:27] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15782 * SeanHayes * (+179) Notes -
  137. [10:14:03] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15783 * SeanHayes * (+3) Notes -
  138. [10:14:09] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media * Tantek * (+710) draft
  139. [10:14:25] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media&diff=0&oldid=15784 * Tantek * (+48)
  140. [10:15:01] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-17-web-2-expo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-17-web-2-expo&diff=0&oldid=15785 * Tantek * (-711) Microformats for media - move to separate page
  141. [10:15:17] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15786 * SeanHayes * (+63)
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  143. [10:16:28] <mfbot> [[genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=15787 * SeanHayes * (-1)
  144. [10:16:59] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media&diff=0&oldid=15788 * Tantek * (+527)
  145. [10:17:30] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=15789 * Tantek * (-16) new separate page with new URL for Microformats for media
  146. [10:18:11] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media&diff=0&oldid=15790 * Tantek * (+19)
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  148. [10:19:46] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  150. [10:20:42] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-open-media&diff=0&oldid=15791 * Tantek * (+87)
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  152. [10:26:01] <jibot> amir is Amir Guindehi and blogs at http://amir.ch/weblog
  153. [10:27:54] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-17-web-2-expo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-17-web-2-expo&diff=0&oldid=15792 * Tantek * (+99)
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  155. [10:42:40] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15793 * SeanHayes * (+515) Discussion -
  156. [10:46:06] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15794 * SeanHayes * (+94) Current uses -
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  159. [11:08:43] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15795 * SeanHayes * (-1) Discussion -
  160. [11:10:34] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15796 * SeanHayes * (+94) Discussion -
  161. [11:11:35] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15797 * SeanHayes * (+1) Discussion -
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  165. [11:33:47] <mfbot> [[GEDCOM Worked example]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=GEDCOM_Worked_example&diff=0&oldid=15798 * SeanHayes * (-13)
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  168. [11:41:55] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  171. [11:46:44] <mfbot> [[genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=15799 * SeanHayes * (+990)
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  173. [11:52:45] <mfbot> [[genealogy-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-formats&diff=0&oldid=15800 * SeanHayes * (+455) GEDCOM -
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  223. [15:04:49] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  224. [15:06:38] <mkaply> Not many people but I might as well ask. Operator has a feature that allows you to "bookmark" a microformat. That is it serializes the HTML in the microformat and stores it as a data/text URL. Did anyone even realize this feature was here? Is it interesting at all? Or just kind of geeky
  225. [15:15:11] <KevinMarks> didn't know it was there, interesting
  226. [15:16:39] <mkaply> Is it interesting? It bookmarks everything, so the content can sometimes look weird displayed by itself. Plus it doesn't get any styling because there is no way to get "substyles"
  227. [15:17:13] <mkaply> I'm working towards a model where I pass around microformat JS objects vs DOM nodes and this is the only function that requires the DOM node because it serializes it.
  228. [15:17:38] <mkaply> Alternative is to remove the function or write a function that takes a microformat and "pretties it up" with spans/divs
  229. [15:18:04] <mkaply> If I did that, each microformat would need a custom little routine for how it should look as HTML. (which isn't a huge deal - I've though of doing that to emulate Tails functionality)
  230. [15:18:25] <mkaply> It's probably the most useful for resumes
  231. [15:21:38] <mkaply> I guess what the question boils down to is when people write their own "actions", is the microformat data enough? Or will they probably want the DOM node as well to do something
  232. [15:21:53] <mkaply> does the DOM node give them anything that don't have in the JS object
  233. [15:27:46] <mkaply> duh. There is definitely stuff you would use the DOM node for. Guess I have to pass it too
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  238. [15:52:31] <befidled> I'm new to microformats. Can you group different formats together to combine their functionality?
  239. [15:53:47] <SamRose> maybe a little offtopic, but what is the wordpress theme that y'all are using for microformats.org blog? I am tryign to help Christophe Ducamp set up http://microformateurs.org/, the Francophone version of microformats.org, and he wnts to mirror the style of the blog at microformats.org
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  241. [16:05:54] <mkaply> befidled: some microformats use other microformats in side them
  242. [16:06:00] <mkaply> like an hcard in an hcalendar to describe the location
  243. [16:06:07] <mkaply> s/use/can use
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  245. [16:15:38] <trovster> and geo within adr, location within vevent, hcalendar + hcard etc.
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  247. [16:16:00] <trovster> hresume uses hcard and hcalendar
  248. [16:22:52] <Aubergine10> is anyone here working on the XPN uF (professionals network) ?
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  257. [16:53:12] <befidled> ok, so if I am in an industry that has specific data that isn't addressed in a current microformat, but has components that are (i.e. geo, adr, etc) then would it make sense to isolate just that data that is specific to the industry and then couple it with the standard microformats?
  258. [16:58:27] <bewes1> no
  259. [16:58:34] <bewes1> erm
  260. [16:58:39] <bewes1> I shouldn't answer so quickly
  261. [16:58:52] <bewes1> it makes sense to use building blocks and see what's left over
  262. [16:58:56] <bewes1> don't isolate things prematurely
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  265. [17:00:14] <Atamido_> befidled: You can use existing microformats as long as you do not break their specification.
  266. [17:00:36] <bewest> befidled: eg, don't try to predict top-down that you will need a new format for X data... use the formats and techniques available and see what data still needs to be marked up in order to achieve high fidelity
  267. [17:01:00] * Atamido_ is now known as Atamido
  268. [17:01:00] <bewest> you maybe able to cover the gap using simpler semantic html techniques than one might predict ahead of time
  269. [17:01:32] <bewest> actually it's not so bad to break a spec, as that indicates a weakness we can iterate on
  270. [17:01:55] <Atamido> If you have gaps to fill in, it's a good idea to see what other companies presenting the same data do, and copy that.
  271. [17:08:26] <befidled> It's creating a format specific to the real estate industry. I've read a few posts regarding for instance, real estate listings. While I think it would make sense to use hListing, geo, and adr, there are very specific details within a real estate listing that are common in the industry. For instance does a property have a fireplace, is it a horse property, etc. It's important to then make the property listings searchable for these type
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  273. [17:11:34] <befidled> And there are hundreds of specificities that are common across most MLS systems. Then some states and regions have their own proprietary data as well. I'd want to just focus on the data that is common across the board.
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  276. [17:24:28] <bewest> befidled: sounds like you are on the right track
  277. [17:24:39] <bewest> befidled: my advice is to use as many documented formats and techniques as possible
  278. [17:25:00] <bewest> befidled: when you find something missing, bring it up on the list, or use semantic html techniques to make your best effort
  279. [17:25:10] <bewest> befidled: there's a whole community here to solicit feedback from, as well
  280. [17:25:50] <befidled> bewest: good advice. thanks.
  281. [17:26:41] <befidled> bewest: my initial thought and the discussion online (http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-March/000072.html)
  282. [17:27:14] <befidled> bewest: had me thinking that it would require it's own format, but that wouldn't be in the spirit of reusable data and reusable formats
  283. [17:28:00] <befidled> bewest: so I'm glad to hear that my new thinking may be a better solution. thanks.
  284. [17:29:57] <befidled> bewest: here's the start of the real estate thread: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-March/000065.html
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  286. [17:33:16] <bewest> befidled: yeah, looks like you are on the right track... I'm excited to see what you'll come up with
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  289. [17:33:20] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  290. [17:33:26] <bewest> befidled: do you have a place to organize the research you've been doing?
  291. [17:33:34] <bewest> befidled: feel free to use the wiki, if that helps you
  292. [17:33:52] <bewest> befidled: I suggest you start by creating a place holder for your stuff in the to-do page
  293. [17:35:44] <befidled> bewest: that's a good idea. I'll definitely start the project up there.
  294. [17:36:19] <bewest> sure
  295. [17:36:37] <bewest> feel free to rattle a stick around in here and on the mailing list if you need feedback or help or anything
  296. [17:36:52] <bewest> we will definitely want to capture your techniques on the wiki in way... this is useful work
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  298. [17:37:37] <befidled> bewest: I will definitely rattle, especially since I'm new to this, there will be times where everyone else's experience will be invaluable
  299. [17:37:54] <bewest> good :-)
  300. [17:39:19] <befidled> bewest: is there any semantic to the naming conventions (i.e. why the h in hCard and hListing but not in adr?)
  301. [17:39:59] <bewest> no, in fact our current preferred naming scheme is to call it what it is initially
  302. [17:40:15] <bewest> so, for instance, you might do well to create a /wiki/real-estate page
  303. [17:40:21] <bewest> where you document the techniques you are using
  304. [17:40:40] <bewest> and if a new format is needed (determined after exhausting the possibilities) only then is a name determined
  305. [17:41:14] <bewest> a lot of people start right away by naming hSomething and this is not advised
  306. [17:41:28] <bewest> better to name it something, and then rename it later to hSomething if that is appropriate
  307. [17:41:41] <befidled> ok. that's good. I'll review the other wikis and as time permits begin building it out.
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  311. [17:58:53] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  314. [18:01:58] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  316. [18:07:47] <befidled> bewest: forgive my ignorance, but how do I add a page in the Wiki so that I can refer to it when I edit the Explantory section? It's been a while and I'm getting old : )
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  319. [18:16:16] <bewest> no problem
  320. [18:16:17] <bewest> uh
  321. [18:16:39] <bewest> befidled: the way to add a page to the wiki is to create a link to it from another page
  322. [18:17:07] <bewest> maybe I don't understand your question
  323. [18:17:36] <bewest> or just visiting the page works too
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  325. [18:20:40] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  328. [18:27:08] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  338. [18:56:24] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15807 * BeFidled * (+71) Exploratory Discussions -
  339. [18:56:50] <befidled> bewest: no you understood. that worked great. I was looking ofr a "create new page" link. The wiki is just smarter than me.
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  342. [19:01:27] <bewest> meh
  343. [19:01:29] * bewest hates wikis
  344. [19:01:41] <bewest> most users blame themselves for not understanding technology
  345. [19:01:48] <bewest> exactly the opposite of what should happen
  346. [19:03:40] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/realestate_propertydetail * BeFidled * (+347)
  347. [19:04:16] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15808 * BeFidled * (+388) Discussion -
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  350. [19:10:07] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15809 * BeFidled * (+411) Discussion -
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  352. [19:10:34] <befidled> wow, does this automatically send new pages here for discussion?
  353. [19:10:48] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15810 * BeFidled * (+1) Compatible Formats -
  354. [19:13:54] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15811 * BeFidled * (+29) Compatible Formats -
  355. [19:14:55] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15812 * BeFidled * (+9) Compatible Formats -
  356. [19:17:27] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15813 * BeFidled * (+87) Compatible Formats -
  357. [19:17:38] <kingryan> befidled: yes
  358. [19:20:13] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15814 * BeFidled * (+536) Discussion -
  359. [19:20:22] <kingryan> btw, not to nitpick (you're doing a good job), but could you move that page from "realestate_propertydetail" to "realestate-propertydetail"?
  360. [19:20:31] <kingryan> we prefer to use dashes rather than underscores
  361. [19:20:57] <befidled> kingryan: sure, how do I change the name once it is created?
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  363. [19:22:35] <kingryan> click 'move' in the top bar on that page
  364. [19:22:39] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15815 * NrrW5y * (-39526)
  365. [19:23:00] <mfbot> [[realestate propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate_propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=0 * BeFidled * (+1808) realestate propertydetail moved to realestate-propertydetail
  366. [19:23:41] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15816 * BeFidled * (+0) Exploratory Discussions -
  367. [19:23:59] <befidled> kingryan: done, thanks.
  368. [19:25:21] <tantek_> befidled, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
  369. [19:25:27] <tantek_> and http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-play
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  373. [19:26:33] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15817 * Tantek * (+39526) revert to prev version by Andy
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  375. [19:27:15] <befidled> tantek_: thanks
  376. [19:28:29] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15818 * BeFidled * (+23) Compatible Formats -
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  378. [19:31:58] <jibot> jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
  379. [19:38:30] <bewest> befidled: looks like you are going in the right direction. in light of our previous discussion regarding using existing formats first and documenting the technique, the page might confuse people about what you are trying to do
  380. [19:38:38] <bewest> it reads a little bit right now like you are trying to invent a new format
  381. [19:39:00] <bewest> and I think our earlier discussion was about using existing formats and documenting the techniques used with existing formats
  382. [19:39:13] <bewest> finally, documenting data that somehow didn't get represented well enough
  383. [19:39:21] <bewest> and then iterating on that to fix that problem
  384. [19:40:56] <befidled> bewest: Ok, I'll review and see what I can do to make it more clear that I want to use as many existing formats as possible.
  385. [19:41:39] <bewest> ok
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  388. [19:43:12] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15821 * BeFidled * (-2) Discussion -
  389. [19:43:43] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15822 * MhbT90 * (-39526)
  390. [19:43:50] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15823 * BeFidled * (-539) Discussion -
  391. [19:44:16] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15824 * BeFidled * (+539) Introduction -
  392. [19:47:42] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15825 * BeFidled * (+190) Introduction -
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  395. [19:49:52] <befidled> bewest: how about now?
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  397. [19:50:31] <jibot> ddfreyne is nothing
  398. [19:54:29] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15827 * BeFidled * (+34) Introduction -
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  403. [20:12:04] <befidled> Is it necessary to protect the IP like they did with VoteLinks? http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links
  404. [20:12:13] <befidled> If it's just an open standard?
  405. [20:13:40] <bewest> I don't know
  406. [20:13:53] <bewest> maybe someone with more experience in those issues can comment
  407. [20:14:02] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=15829 * BeFidled * (+465) Property Related Formats -
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  444. [22:03:41] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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