IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-20
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15835 * ZawUfv * (-39526)
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[[abbr-design-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=15836 * SeanHayes * (+194) Discussion -
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15837 * Tantek * (+39526) revert to prev version by Andy
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:ZawUfv" with an expiry time of infinite: bot spam/vandal
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner&diff=0&oldid=15838 * Tantek * (+67) link the sponsors! Thanks Google, Praized, Technorati, Yahoo, and especially Magnolia.
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[[posh]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/posh * Tantek * (+1246) draft
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[[plain-old-semantic-html]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/plain-old-semantic-html * Tantek * (+13)
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[[semantic-html]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-html * Tantek * (+28)
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[[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15839 * Tantek * (-46)
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[[POSH]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/POSH * Tantek * (+18)
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[[plain-old-semantic-html]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=plain-old-semantic-html&diff=0&oldid=15840 * Tantek * (+5)
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[[semantic class names]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic_class_names * Tantek * (+34)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15841 * Tantek * (+0)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=15842 * Tantek * (+63) be posh
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[[semantic]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic * Tantek * (+28)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15843 * Tantek * (+30)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15844 * Tantek * (+1)
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15845 * GretchenLand.com * (+169) New Examples -
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[[User:IanLoic]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:IanLoic * IanLoic * (+699)
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[[User:IanLoic]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IanLoic&diff=0&oldid=15846 * IanLoic * (+2)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15847 * AndyMabbett * (+143) Move Gretchen to problem section: invalid date
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15848 * AndyMabbett * (+16) Examples with some problems - fmt
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[semantic-xhtml]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15849 * AndyMabbett * (+171) more; indent table parts
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[[semantic-xhtml]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15850 * AndyMabbett * (+31) Semantic Elements - more on tabels
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[[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15851 * AndyMabbett * (-3) move
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[[semantic-xhtml]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-xhtml&diff=0&oldid=15852 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Semantic Attributes - sort
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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ddfreyne is nothing
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15853 * AndyMabbett * (-124) correct attribution
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[User:DmytroShteflyuk]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:DmytroShteflyuk * DmytroShteflyuk * (+275)
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15854 * DmytroShteflyuk * (+123) New Examples -
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=15855 * DmytroShteflyuk * (+72) Examples in the wild -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=15856 * DmytroShteflyuk * (+166) New Examples -
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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jdandrea is Joe D'Andrea. So there. http://www.joesapt.net/
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[[User talk:DmytroShteflyuk]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DmytroShteflyuk * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner&diff=0&oldid=15857 * SarahWorsham * (+40) Who -
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JamieKnight is jamie knight, a young web developer based in the UK. keeping his blog at http://jkg3.com
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[[User:SarahWorsham]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:SarahWorsham * SarahWorsham * (+55)
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hello all
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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hiya charl
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15858 * AndyMabbett * (+133) Parsing - calculate current age
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[[User talk:SarahWorsham]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:SarahWorsham * AndyMabbett * (+71) Welcome!
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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hiya gsnedders
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15859 * AndyMabbett * (+138) Parsing - generate hCalendar for birthdays
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15860 * AndyMabbett * (+169) Parsing - death anniversaries
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=15861 * AndyMabbett * (+8)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15862 * Tantek * (+876) note historical relevance of decision to promote POSH.
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- [15:42:14] <bada>
why does abbr get a text decoration in firefox, it like a fine dotted underline
- [15:44:22] <trovster>
'coz that's the default style?
- [15:44:51] <AGraf``>
bada: turn it off with "border-bottom: 0 none;"
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15863 * AndyMabbett * (+238) History - 1998
- [15:45:28] <trovster>
abbr {border:0;} is all you need
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0 none ?
- [15:45:49] <AGraf``>
0 should be enough as well
- [15:45:59] <AGraf``>
but i tend to be more... expressive :>
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15864 * AndyMabbett * (+0) History -
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15865 * AndyMabbett * (+18) History - acronym
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15866 * AndyMabbett * (+3) History - grammar
- [15:50:19] <bada>
han nice, I tried text-decoration:none unsuccessfully
- [15:50:26] <bada>
thanks trovster
- [15:50:37] <bada>
AND AGraf``
- [15:50:47] <AGraf``>
np
- [15:51:25] <bada>
in other words, I would like to express my gratitude to yo on this day sir
- [15:52:11] <bada>
ie has a problem with abbr and styles too
- [15:52:42] <AGraf``>
btw, i wouldn't "unstyle" abbr globally
- [15:52:57] <AGraf``>
you might want to have "real" abbreviations too
- [15:53:24] <bada>
I just want the abbr style bold like my types are
- [15:53:47] <bada>
and floated
- [15:53:57] <bada>
without using some nasty js
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float abbr {} ?
- [15:55:55] <bada>
ie doesnt consider abbr an element or something
- [15:56:02] <bada>
ie ignore the styles
- [15:56:24] <trovster>
Correct
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I thought there was a valid method to fix this, was <html:abrr or something
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- [16:06:39] <bada>
http://jessey.net/archive/2004/01/23/ie-abbr/
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just dont know how to declare the element in my stylesheet
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you have to duplicate selectors: html\:abbr, abbr {}
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15867 * Tantek * (-168) added emphasis for references to "plain old semantic HTML", removed supposed reference that didn't contain the phrase
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15868 * Tantek * (-3)
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cgriego: thanks, ya, also I didnt declare the namespace
- [16:18:23] <bada>
works now in ie
- [16:18:29] <cgriego>
ah, that's important
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I'll see if it passes validation
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it won't pass the W3C validator, but the W3C validator is also buggy.
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here is no attribute "XMLNS:HTML :S
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the :S isnt part of my namespace btw
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the validator is far from flawless
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[[icons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons&diff=0&oldid=15869 * SplitLife * (+168)
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ok so it is in fact vaLID?
- [16:23:14] <bada>
I know little about namespaces
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and thats being generous
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spits me 4 erros
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It falls on a line due to the text/html application/xhtml+xml clusterf***, you can argue either way, though if you feel okay serving xhtml as text/html (which I do), then you should feel good doing this as well.
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Im using an html doctype
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with an html 4.0 namespace
- [16:27:47] <cgriego>
then no
- [16:29:30] <bada>
me no follow
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HTML 4 does not allow the use of namespaces at all
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oh
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so if Im not ok with serving xhtml as text/html, then I can forget styling an abbr for ie without js
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one option would be to switch to HTML5, while it doesn't support defining namespaces, it implicitly supports the html namespace.
- [16:32:11] <bada>
ah
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any potential problems using an html5 doctype?
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other than it's a working draft? :)
- [16:34:55] <bada>
lol
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http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#html-namespace
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15870 * Tantek * (+91)
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maybe if I wrap the abbr in a span or something
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ya, ya, thaaats the ticket *cringe*
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wb
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15871 * AndyMabbett * (+267) rv & add citation
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15872 * Tantek * (+137) restore edits and content lost by previous revert. please be careful when reverting to re-apply edits unrelated to what is being reverted.
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- [18:14:40] <tantek>
apparently there is now a climbing route at Mission Cliffs in San Francisco called "microformats" (in honor/reference of microformats)
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15873 * Tantek * (+117) separate and move history to end
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tantek: srsly?
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I'm going to have to go climbing again
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i'm going Saturday morning to check it out for myself. our friend with the initials JK apparently convinced them to name one "microformats" while they were redoing the routes recently.
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nice idea... :)
- [18:21:35] <AGraf``>
but a weird name for a climbing route
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tantek: nice
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i wonder whether the difficulty of the route has a meaning then
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btw where is it? i want to make sure to climb it one day...
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15875 * Tantek * (+117) added Writing Semantic HTML blog post by Jesse Skinner
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mission cliffs in san francisco
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http://touchstoneclimbing.com/mc.html
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kingryan: ty for url
- [18:25:17] <AGraf``>
might take a while until i get to SF but ill remember it
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they change the routes constantly, so the mf one will probably only be there a few weeks
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oh ok
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pity
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a few thousand kilometers distance prevent me from going tomorrow :)
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15876 * AndyMabbett * (-57) History - Earlier use in same thread
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=15879 * SplitLife * (+101) Examples in the wild -
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15886 * Chris Messina * (+120) added posh bookmarks
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15887 * Chris Messina * (+96)
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15888 * Tantek * (+283) added more to POSH checklist
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15889 * Tantek * (+25) The POSH Checklist -
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15890 * Tantek * (+525) added POSH Books section with Web Design in a Nutshell 3rd Edition
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[[posh]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=15891 * Tantek * (+53)
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