IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-04-26

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  20. [02:41:43] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16022 * ManuSporny * (+444) Grouping in Music Podcasting -
  21. [02:55:39] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16023 * ManuSporny * (+2238) Grouping in Music Services -
  22. [03:09:26] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16024 * ManuSporny * (-319) Grouping in Music Services -
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  32. [03:38:39] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16026 * ManuSporny * (-314) Grouping in Music Services -
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  35. [03:55:27] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16029 * ManuSporny * (+105) Analysis -
  36. [03:57:18] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16030 * ManuSporny * (+98) Summary of common patterns discovered -
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  39. [04:07:46] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16032 * ManuSporny * (-1) People and Music Grouping in Music Podcasting -
  40. [04:10:42] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16033 * ManuSporny * (+61) Contributors -
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  43. [04:15:35] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=16036 * ManuSporny * (+25)
  44. [04:15:56] <mfbot> [[audio-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=16037 * ManuSporny * (+14) Contributors -
  45. [04:19:33] <mfbot> [[grouping-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/grouping-brainstorming * ManuSporny * (+1083) Adding initial grouping brainstorming stub page
  46. [04:21:33] <mfbot> [[grouping-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-examples&diff=0&oldid=16038 * ManuSporny * (+4) The Problem -
  47. [04:22:19] <mfbot> [[grouping-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=16039 * ManuSporny * (+870) Purpose -
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  50. [04:38:47] <mfbot> [[grouping-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=grouping-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=16041 * ManuSporny * (+2940) Added Possible Solutions section
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  62. [06:31:19] <jacobi> hi! I need some help with incorporation hCard at our website.
  63. [06:31:35] <jacobi> I ment implementing
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  67. [06:36:08] <jacobi> my problem is when using the operator-extension to firefox, my hcard isn't showing up. have I done something wrong? I can't figure out what.
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  71. [07:27:12] <KevinMarks> url, jacobi
  72. [07:27:30] <jacobi> http://dode.se
  73. [07:27:34] <jacobi> nja
  74. [07:27:40] <jacobi> you know what I mean :)
  75. [07:27:55] <jacobi> http://dode.se
  76. [07:28:17] <KevinMarks> you shouldn't leave the fn empty
  77. [07:29:07] <KevinMarks> <a class="url fn" href="http://dode.se"></a> should be <a class="url fn" href="http://dode.se">dode</a>
  78. [07:29:42] <KevinMarks> or <a class="url fn org" href="http://dode.se">dode</a> and drop the next line
  79. [07:29:55] <KevinMarks> you could even do
  80. [07:30:03] <jacobi> ok, what does it do?
  81. [07:30:11] <AGraf``> fn = full name
  82. [07:30:11] <KevinMarks> <a class="url fn org uid" href="http://dode.se">dode</a>
  83. [07:30:16] <KevinMarks> formatted name
  84. [07:30:23] <jacobi> ok, thank you very much!
  85. [07:30:24] <AGraf``> ah
  86. [07:30:26] <AGraf``> formatted
  87. [07:30:34] <KevinMarks> in any case, fn or n is required
  88. [07:30:51] <AGraf``> the last one is nice
  89. [07:30:52] <AGraf``> <a class="url fn org uid" href="http://dode.se">dode</a>
  90. [07:31:08] <jacobi> yes, I will change that immediatley. thank you again, KevinMarks.
  91. [07:31:14] <KevinMarks> uid is good
  92. [07:31:27] <KevinMarks> especially with the home URL
  93. [07:31:40] <AGraf``> oh yes
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  100. [08:08:39] <KevinMarks> http://jyte.com/cl/en-français-posh-se-traduit-par-chic
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  102. [08:11:59] <KevinMarks> delegation via kevinmarks.com worked for me
  103. [08:12:33] <AGraf``> yeah but you're using myopenid.com
  104. [08:12:40] <AGraf``> I'm using phpMyID
  105. [08:13:01] <AGraf``> which apparently hates mediatemple
  106. [08:13:06] <AGraf``> or the other way round
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  108. [08:20:31] <AGraf``> right, works now
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  110. [08:39:52] <mfbot> [[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=16042 * ChristopheDucamp * (+313)
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  121. [09:33:26] <mfbot> [[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=16044 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Présentations CHICs -
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  128. [10:12:25] <mfbot> [[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=16046 * AndyMabbett * (+903) Issues - planetocentric longitude
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  133. [10:18:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16049 * AndyMabbett * (+36) New Examples -
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  139. [11:47:34] <openstandards> I'm wondering if its a good idea to use hcal when dealing with special offers
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  160. [13:39:24] <jacobi> Hi!
  161. [13:41:51] <jacobi> I'm making a website for a band and I was thinking of making use of microformats for their tour calender. Which should I use and how can I combine them? I was thinking of hCal for a start. Any other suggestions?
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  163. [13:48:38] <AGraf``> jacobi: that totally depends on what data you are publishing currently
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  166. [13:49:22] <jacobi> AGraf: I'm publishing dates, time, and the place where it is happening.
  167. [13:50:12] <AGraf``> well, hcal is probably what you want, then
  168. [13:50:46] <Phae> afternoon
  169. [13:50:57] <AGraf``> you probably can/should use hCard for contact info as well
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  171. [13:53:09] <jacobi> yeah, ok. do you think that I should show the hcal on the site, or should I hide it and write some similiar information that I publish? I'm sorry if I express myself a little bit clumsy, but my english is far from perfect.
  172. [13:54:05] <AGraf``> neither is mine... no need to worry :)
  173. [13:54:12] <AGraf``> you should always show what you publish
  174. [13:54:23] <AGraf``> this is where microformats are useful
  175. [13:54:34] <AGraf``> you mark up information that you already publish
  176. [13:54:53] <AGraf``> not like RDF where you duplicate information and make the duplicate machine readable
  177. [13:55:21] <jacobi> ah ok, I see.
  178. [13:55:46] <AGraf``> so if you have i.e. a tour site, where you publish dates, you just mark up existing information to make it semantically enhanced
  179. [13:56:02] <jacobi> yeah, thank you!
  180. [13:56:11] <AGraf``> compare it to the spices in your food :) you just give it the finishing touches
  181. [13:56:14] <AGraf``> np
  182. [13:57:24] <jacobi> hehe, ok, I will think of it like that :)
  183. [13:57:49] <mfbot> [[User:JensMeiert]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JensMeiert&diff=0&oldid=16051 * JensMeiert * (-54) Minor changes
  184. [13:58:13] <julianstahnke> 'droid's library' <-- who is that?
  185. [13:58:37] <julianstahnke> arg, wrong window, sorry
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  196. [14:32:02] <openstandards> not yet but will have by the end of the night
  197. [14:32:19] <openstandards> about to start work on a rss feed to go with :D
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  214. [15:39:04] <mkaply> ok, that's strange.
  215. [15:40:08] <mkaply> technorati.com is missing styling in all Firefox regardless of extension
  216. [15:41:02] <mkaply> ha. My hosts file is blocking static.technorati.com
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  274. [21:16:26] <Hagfish_> is http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-examples an orphan page?
  275. [21:16:40] <Hagfish_> and shouldn't it be linked from the front page?
  276. [21:17:00] <kingryan> Hagfish_: why the front page? that seems pretty arcane
  277. [21:17:10] <kingryan> not everything deserves to be on the front page
  278. [21:17:16] <Hagfish_> http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page
  279. [21:17:44] <kingryan> Hagfish_: I know where the front page is
  280. [21:17:53] <Hagfish_> oh
  281. [21:17:59] <Hagfish_> i thought i might not be explaining myself
  282. [21:18:12] <Hagfish_> what are the rules for something being linked from there?
  283. [21:18:55] <kingryan> there are no rules, just good judgement
  284. [21:19:51] <Hagfish_> could you explain the system of good judgement?
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  287. [21:22:56] <Hagfish_> if a more specific question is easier, could you explain why "Profile examples, in the wild" is linked from the main page, but "profile examples" isn't?
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  289. [21:26:04] <kingryan> because profile examples doesn't have much content and there's not much activity around it
  290. [21:26:20] <kingryan> and honestly, profile-examples-in-the-wild probably shouldn't be there either
  291. [21:26:34] <Hagfish_> ahh, i see
  292. [21:27:14] <Hagfish_> well, how should someone contribute to them if they thought they were a good idea?
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  295. [21:28:44] <kingryan> find examples of profile pages, add links to them, document their structure
  296. [21:29:06] <Hagfish_> on the "Profile Examples in the Wild" page?
  297. [21:29:38] <kingryan> wait, no
  298. [21:29:47] <kingryan> we ahve two different uses of "profile" here
  299. [21:30:07] <Hagfish_> that might be a source of confusion
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  302. [21:43:25] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=16054 * BeFidled * (+0) Introduction -
  303. [21:45:51] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=16055 * BeFidled * (+1) Discussion -
  304. [21:47:07] <mfbot> [[realestate-propertydetail]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=realestate-propertydetail&diff=0&oldid=16056 * BeFidled * (+9) Property Related Formats -
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  307. [22:06:32] <bewest> Hagfish_, kingryan: and hilarity ensues?
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  309. [22:07:06] <Hagfish_> well, it would do if more people could find the "Profile examples" page
  310. [22:08:52] <Hagfish_> i can't understand why that one hasn't been followed up
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  315. [22:29:09] <Hagfish_> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-September/005388.html well, people were thinking about it in september. maybe i should try to catch the idea next time it comes up
  316. [22:32:07] <bewest> feel free to bring it up
  317. [22:32:37] <Hagfish_> write to the mailing list and ask what's happening with it?
  318. [22:32:49] <bewest> yeah, rattle a stick around
  319. [22:33:07] <Hagfish_> i think i need more than a stick
  320. [22:33:23] <bewest> you'll get more receptivity if you can frame it in terms of documenting a semantic html technique instead of couching in the terms of creating a new format
  321. [22:33:51] <Hagfish_> right, thank you
  322. [22:33:54] <bewest> do you have something specific in mind?
  323. [22:34:18] <Hagfish_> well actually, i have come across XUP which i don't think people have mentioned before in a microformats context
  324. [22:34:18] <bewest> it's best phrased as a question: "how do I markup this set of attributes in a way that is consistent with hcard..."
  325. [22:34:27] <bewest> XUP?
  326. [22:34:39] <Hagfish_> http://xprofile.berlios.de/intro.html
  327. [22:34:59] <Hagfish_> could really do with being refactored based on the existence of openid
  328. [22:35:09] <Hagfish_> XUP tries to solve too many problems
  329. [22:36:06] <bewest> they describe it as "horribly simple"
  330. [22:36:58] <Hagfish_> i think they mean that the semantics are on the level of a microformat
  331. [22:37:06] <Hagfish_> it even uses meta and link tags
  332. [22:38:03] <tantek_> meta tags are a waste of time
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  335. [22:38:11] <bewest> yeah
  336. [22:38:44] <Hagfish_> it's just a sign that it's trying to reuse ideas familiar from html
  337. [22:39:03] <Hagfish_> but obviously it did this without the benefit of the work of the microformats community
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  340. [22:40:01] <bewest> Hagfish_: yeah, there are two tangible benefits: a process that defines how work is done, and people to help with the work
  341. [22:41:08] <Hagfish_> i'm just thinking that XUP is very reminiscent of the days when people thought the only way to add semantic information to the web was to create a non-human-readable XML file
  342. [22:41:52] <Hagfish_> i think if the XUP had heard of microformats they would have proposed one instead of some XML
  343. [22:42:16] <bewest> yeah... though we need fewer format proposals and more documentation and research of semantic html techniques
  344. [22:42:40] <bewest> then when it's painfully obvious that a technique doesn't work, that's when we start considering a format
  345. [22:43:18] <Hagfish_> a technique doesn't work?
  346. [22:43:19] <Hagfish_> like when?
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  351. [22:53:30] <bewest> like fails to communicate with the desired level of fidelity
  352. [22:56:46] <Hagfish_> bewest: can you give an example of that happening?
  353. [22:59:55] <bewest> um
  354. [23:00:15] <bewest> not really... it's just the way I like to view things
  355. [23:00:28] <bewest> in reality there are other factors that mess up my mental model
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  357. [23:01:35] <bewest> but to apply that idea to this profiles thing:
  358. [23:02:19] <bewest> the right way to go would be to document a technique for conveying the desired information using semantic html using formats and patterns that already exist
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  360. [23:03:27] <bewest> if there is really no technique that conveys the right information... for example perhaps the way hcard needs to be parsed won't possibly work for some reason... then the research that has already happened helps to pave the way for new format development
  361. [23:03:59] <Hagfish_> is extending hcard a viable option?
  362. [23:04:08] <bewest> but that's a big if... most of the requests the community recieves for "new formats" should really just be techniques for using existing formats for specific use cases
  363. [23:04:27] <tantek> people shouldn't be extending things until they've actually gotten experience with using them in real world sites
  364. [23:04:49] <tantek> otherwise their extension requests are more theoretical than based in any sort of evidence
  365. [23:05:49] <Hagfish_> the advantage of XUP is that it lets the "name" attributes be made up on the spot
  366. [23:06:10] <Hagfish_> perhaps that amount of flexibility isn't suited to a microformat
  367. [23:06:17] <openstandards> any search engines following microformats?
  368. [23:06:24] <Hagfish_> <meta name="MY-CATS-NAME" content="muffy" />
  369. [23:08:20] <bewest> openstandards: impossible to know :-)
  370. [23:08:41] <tantek> Hagfish - flexbility is a *disadvantage*
  371. [23:08:59] <bewest> openstandards: search engines keep the details secret... and users certainly don't care
  372. [23:09:03] <tantek> flexibility = babel = non-interoperability = noise
  373. [23:09:21] <bewest> ah that's interesting
  374. [23:09:36] <bewest> nice technologies are highly constrained
  375. [23:09:40] <tantek> precisely
  376. [23:09:47] <tantek> like HTML itself
  377. [23:09:53] <bewest> REST models advocate a highly constrained verb space
  378. [23:10:05] <bewest> same with atom publishing protocol
  379. [23:10:12] <bewest> very constrained vocabulary
  380. [23:10:30] <Hagfish_> it depends what you call the vocabulary
  381. [23:10:42] <bewest> "workspace", "entry"...
  382. [23:10:51] <Hagfish_> obviously in the hcard case you are not limiting the list of what names people are allowed to have
  383. [23:11:15] <tantek> you are
  384. [23:11:16] <Hagfish_> but you do limit the methods by which people can be contacted
  385. [23:11:18] <tantek> there is a defined property set
  386. [23:11:27] <Hagfish_> email, physical address, tel
  387. [23:11:35] <tantek> url
  388. [23:11:38] <tantek> done
  389. [23:11:44] <Hagfish_> what about IM account?
  390. [23:11:44] <tantek> any new contact methods should simply use a url
  391. [23:11:46] <tantek> url
  392. [23:11:47] <bewest> url should be good enough for anyone
  393. [23:11:51] <Hagfish_> VoIP account?
  394. [23:11:55] <tantek> hagfish - please see hcard-examples
  395. [23:11:59] <Hagfish_> ok
  396. [23:12:02] <tantek> these are already answered
  397. [23:12:39] <bewest> google has an url that will connect your phone to the number on location on a map
  398. [23:13:16] <Hagfish_> very good, ok
  399. [23:13:49] <Hagfish_> but my general point is, hcard limits one half but not the other
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  401. [23:14:06] <Hagfish_> key = value
  402. [23:14:11] <Hagfish_> it limits the keys, not the values
  403. [23:14:25] <Hagfish_> and keys like "url" can apparently be stretched
  404. [23:14:28] <Hagfish_> to be future-proof
  405. [23:14:44] <Hagfish_> XUP seems to be very similar, except there are no requirements on the keys
  406. [23:16:14] <tantek> which means it is no better than POX / generic RDF etc = babel = non-interoperable data = noise
  407. [23:17:03] <bewest> Im' not sure values need to be limited
  408. [23:17:13] <bewest> any value I author is valid
  409. [23:17:19] <bewest> because I'm a human :-)
  410. [23:17:21] <Hagfish_> indeed
  411. [23:17:45] <Hagfish_> well, what about thinking of these as two-dimensional tags?
  412. [23:17:56] <Hagfish_> maybe hcard isn't the best fit
  413. [23:18:29] <tantek> Hagfish - you're speaking too theoretically
  414. [23:18:37] <tantek> wanna provide a URL to what you mean by two-dimensional tags?
  415. [23:19:54] <Hagfish_> i thought i had one
  416. [23:20:01] <Hagfish_> but it doesn't work how i thought
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  419. [23:22:59] <Hagfish_> hmm, maybe i'm coming up against the wall that all similar projects have faced
  420. [23:23:17] <Hagfish_> that there isn't a fixed set of things you can ask about a person
  421. [23:23:35] <Hagfish_> and microformats are all about answering a specific set of questions about something
  422. [23:26:06] <Hagfish_> is there no precedent for doing something like "<span class="cat's name">muffy</span>" and letting each community / site specify what the classes are going to be?
  423. [23:31:19] <kingryan> Hagfish_: each community can figure that out on their own. if it's useful data they'll work on converging and we can look at creating or extending a format
  424. [23:31:44] <kingryan> Hagfish_: ... but until people have real world experience with it and documentation of examples, we can't create anything useful
  425. [23:32:14] <Hagfish_> i think there is an artificial barrier here
  426. [23:32:33] <Hagfish_> you don't want to define a format where the keys are left to the community
  427. [23:32:43] <Hagfish_> arguably that is less of a format
  428. [23:32:49] <Hagfish_> fewer things are specified
  429. [23:33:15] <Hagfish_> yes, that can be "babel" in some cases
  430. [23:33:35] <Hagfish_> and it will be noisy
  431. [23:34:00] <Hagfish_> but that doesn't mean it's no better than having no semantics and every system presenting their profiles differently
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  433. [23:40:02] <Hagfish_> some sites might have class="favourite band" and some might have class="favorite band", but it's simpler to get a search engine to equate the two than to write a spec that covers all possible classes, or to extract that data from non-semantic html sites, or even to expect that site creators won't add it themselves anyway, because it solves a particular problem between them and their affiliates
  434. [23:42:31] <Hagfish_> the traditional microformats way would be to suggest 100 different microformats covering each community's needs, but i don't think that scales well
  435. [23:43:22] <Hagfish_> admittedly, the 100 different ones would give you very accurate search results, but you have to hope that the thing you're searching on has been specified in those 100
  436. [23:43:32] <Hagfish_> otherwise you can't even attempt a search
  437. [23:49:27] <Hagfish_> well, i've got to sleep, but i'd be interested to hear rebuttals of my "100 formats" argument
  438. [23:49:32] <Hagfish_> night
  439. [23:52:06] <kingryan> Hagfish_: the "traditional microformats way" would actually be to *not* define a format
  440. [23:59:15] * bear is now known as bear_afk

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