IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-05-07

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  6. [00:23:40] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16459 * ManuSporny * (+12) Genre -
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  17. [01:19:46] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16463 * ManuSporny * (+3) Speech Example -
  18. [01:20:37] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16464 * ManuSporny * (+2) Podcast Example -
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  68. [09:04:10] <kwijibo> does anyone here use magnolia
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  70. [09:06:49] <Phae> I have an account that I once imported my delicious links into
  71. [09:06:51] <Phae> and never used again
  72. [09:07:06] * kwijibo can't find how to 'give thanks to...'
  73. [09:07:28] <Phae> i don't know that feature, i'm afraid.
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  75. [09:09:38] <kwijibo> ah well, thanks anyway Phae
  76. [09:12:29] <badd> kwijibo: there is a link "GIVE THNAKS" underneath each bookmark..
  77. [09:13:30] <kwijibo> ah right, just not in 'groups'
  78. [09:14:46] <badd> yeah, not to the whole group i guess.. just the "author."
  79. [09:14:58] <badd> i mean user..
  80. [09:16:14] <badd> i think ma.gnolia has better features than del.icio.us..;)
  81. [09:17:35] <Phae> it probably does. i don't use either that much, but I do use the "add to del" bookmarklet I have on my browser for things I plan to go back and read (and rarely do)
  82. [09:18:49] <badd> yes, i agree..:) im the same way..:) lol.
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  127. [14:18:15] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16469 * ManuSporny * (+0) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification 2007-04-18 -
  128. [14:18:36] <mfbot> [[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16470 * ManuSporny * (-11) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification 2007-04-18 -
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  142. [15:03:24] <mfbot> [[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=16471 * Joshua Brewer * (-103) Spread POSH -
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  145. [15:31:32] <mfbot> [[events/2007-04-30-mix07]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-30-mix07&diff=0&oldid=16472 * BernardFarrell * (+326) Answer Tantek qn. Add link to paper on microformats for blood glucose data.
  146. [15:35:37] <mfbot> [[User:BernardFarrell]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:BernardFarrell * BernardFarrell * (+482)
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  169. [17:15:08] <mfbot> [[User talk:BernardFarrell]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:BernardFarrell * AndyMabbett * (+71) Welcome!
  170. [17:15:14] <mfbot> [[User talk:BernardFarrell]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:BernardFarrell&diff=0&oldid=16473 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Welcome!
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  173. [17:37:17] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=16474 * JamesCraig * (-1435) Comparisons With Alternative Approaches - after some discussion with Brian, removed decontextualized opinions and instead just linked to the mailing list thread.
  174. [17:38:47] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=16475 * JamesCraig * (+0) changed XXX to XYZ ;-)
  175. [17:39:58] <bada> I dont suppose there's a vcard class for an img
  176. [17:41:54] <bada> is there?
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  179. [17:46:05] <mfbot> [[events/2007-05-03-wow-web2-workshop]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-05-03-wow-web2-workshop&diff=0&oldid=16477 * BrentFm * (+19) Attending -
  180. [17:46:42] <bewest> tantek: should the process be ammended so that documenting POSH techniques is a successful goal for microformateer efforts?
  181. [17:47:05] <RobertBachmann> bada: there's class "photo" and "logo" respectively
  182. [17:50:19] <tantek> greetings
  183. [17:50:33] <RobertBachmann> hi
  184. [17:51:36] <bewest> tantek: I've tried pushing it before, but we didn't have the handy "POSH" moniker then
  185. [17:52:12] <tantek> bada, try using the http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator
  186. [17:52:49] <tantek> bewest, I think not even documenting POSH techniques but updating their site to *be* POSH would be a good prerequisite
  187. [17:53:06] <tantek> lots of people propose microformat who's own sites don't even validate
  188. [17:53:29] <tantek> if you can't write valid markup, you're unlikely to be able to come up with a good microformat
  189. [17:54:36] <bewest> hmmmm
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  191. [17:54:44] <tantek> so yes, step one, before even *thinking* about proposing a new microformat, upgrade your site to be POSH + use *existing* microformats
  192. [17:55:02] <bewest> tantek: could you reframe that so as not to make authors guilty?
  193. [17:55:02] <tantek> because doing that will teach you lessons about how microformats work which will be invaluable when considering a new microformat
  194. [17:55:04] <bewest> :-)
  195. [17:55:43] <bewest> yes, and surely a POSH cookbook would be useful for such authors
  196. [17:55:47] <tantek> and if you don't have time to upgrade your site to be POSH and use existing microformats, how will you have time to a) develop a new microformat, and b) implement it on your site?
  197. [17:56:04] <tantek> bewest, absolutely a POSH cookbook would be great
  198. [17:56:25] <bewest> a POSH cookbook also paves the way for valid microformat research, imho
  199. [17:56:52] <bewest> which is why I think our process should be ammended to include producing such documentation as the first step towards solving a targeted problem
  200. [17:56:56] <mfbot> [[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=16478 * JamesCraig * (+39) See also - added assistive-technology-abbr-results
  201. [17:57:21] <tantek> bewest, feel free to a) contribute resources you see that could be part of a cookbook to the existing POSH page http://microformats.org/wiki/posh, and/or b) assemble a POSH cookbook in progress from the existing resources on that page
  202. [17:58:19] <b3x> / Guys, btw. do you think http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2007-05-06#T140818 idea is worth mentioning on microformats-new list? I've read articles about creating new microformats and still don't know what to think
  203. [17:59:17] <tantek> b3x can you find examples of people publishing that information on the Web?
  204. [17:59:22] <tantek> that's the best place to start
  205. [17:59:22] <mfbot> [[assistive-technology-abbr-results]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=assistive-technology-abbr-results&diff=0&oldid=16479 * JamesCraig * (+44) Test Cases - durations/recurrences
  206. [17:59:28] <tantek> if you can't, then it's not really a high priority
  207. [17:59:40] <tantek> for microformats are first and foremost for web publishing
  208. [17:59:48] <tantek> other scenarios are secondary at best
  209. [17:59:55] <tantek> (e.g. forms autofill)
  210. [18:00:30] <b3x> Well, these kinds of informations are not always public, but yes, surely it is very often placed online
  211. [18:00:59] <tantek> right, non-public information is a lower priority than public information
  212. [18:01:28] <tantek> and given how many public data types we haven't microformatted yet, non-public data types are unlikely to be worth pursuing currently
  213. [18:01:58] <b3x> Ok, I understand now. Thanks for explanation
  214. [18:02:20] <tantek> in the meantime, could you add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people
  215. [18:02:27] <tantek> and perhaps link to your home page?
  216. [18:03:18] <b3x> Shure thing, later. :)
  217. [18:03:34] <tantek> that's a good place to start if you want to participate in the microformats community :)
  218. [18:04:33] <b3x> That's what I'd like to. I'm microformats zealot here in Poland (and at the moment thinking about implementing hAudio to some popular site)
  219. [18:05:32] <tantek> also, getting practice editing the wiki is a good thing. it's a much better way/place to contribute than the mailing lists.
  220. [18:06:31] <b3x> ok
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