IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-05-08
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=16487 * ChrisBrentano * (+43)
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[[User:ChrisBrentano]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ChrisBrentano * ChrisBrentano * (+125)
- [00:40:50] <ctb_>
:)
- [00:41:24] <ctb_>
Wow, that's cool that the bot picks up on Wiki edits.
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- [01:06:58] <factoryjoe>
tantek: you around?
- [01:09:38] <factoryjoe>
KevinMarks: ping
- [01:10:12] <KevinMarks>
hi
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=16488 * Chris Messina * (+166) Added Twitter
- [01:13:23] <factoryjoe>
hey
- [01:13:27] <mfbot>
[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=16489 * Drago516 * (-112) removed my completed todo
- [01:13:54] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [01:14:02] <factoryjoe>
we're having issues w/ hAtom + hCard on Twitter
- [01:14:27] <tantek>
URL PLZ
- [01:14:53] <factoryjoe>
http://twitter.com/public_timeline
- [01:14:59] <factoryjoe>
like, any twitter URL!
- [01:15:00] <factoryjoe>
;)
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- [01:16:31] <KevinMarks>
i see no hcards
- [01:17:43] <factoryjoe>
?
- [01:17:45] <factoryjoe>
oh
- [01:17:46] <factoryjoe>
one sec
- [01:17:53] <factoryjoe>
well
- [01:18:02] <factoryjoe>
check on your profile page
- [01:18:03] <factoryjoe>
the sidebar
- [01:18:06] <factoryjoe>
it's all hcards
- [01:18:12] <factoryjoe>
but he had to use an abbr for fn
- [01:18:59] <KevinMarks>
no hcards in the hatom?
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- [01:20:23] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [01:20:29] <factoryjoe>
the hcards will be deployed shortly
- [01:20:33] <factoryjoe>
based on code i gave alex
- [01:20:39] <factoryjoe>
unfortunately he's done for the night
- [01:20:43] <factoryjoe>
but if we can debug it
- [01:20:47] <factoryjoe>
he can fix it tomorrow
- [01:21:21] <KevinMarks>
the hCrad on my page should be bigger
- [01:21:49] <KevinMarks>
it shoudl be an <author> and should encompass the bio, location and web
- [01:21:59] <KevinMarks>
and web should have rel="me" on
- [01:23:33] <KevinMarks>
oh hang on
- [01:23:57] <KevinMarks>
it does, I'll shut up
- [01:24:15] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [01:24:19] <factoryjoe>
yes, author is being added
- [01:24:22] <factoryjoe>
question
- [01:24:26] <KevinMarks>
the <adr> is invalid, no?
- [01:24:28] <factoryjoe>
should author and vcard be on the same level?
- [01:24:31] <factoryjoe>
where/
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- [01:28:52] <tantek>
yes author vcard can be on same element
- [01:28:54] <tantek>
even should be
- [01:30:31] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [01:30:37] <factoryjoe>
that's what i thought
- [01:30:37] <factoryjoe>
now
- [01:30:42] <factoryjoe>
what about FN and images?
- [01:30:50] <factoryjoe>
would you use the title attr or alt?
- [01:36:48] <tantek>
per hcard-parsing, alt on img is used for non URL properties
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- [01:42:50] <b3x_>
Hi guys... Well, I think it's good time to join the conversation
- [01:43:21] <b3x_>
This is Wojciech Zajac from XHTMLized, I'm the author of original Twitter markup
- [01:44:34] <b3x_>
I think if we want to improve quality, tables are not good there and I'd like to see something like: <ol><li><cite></cite><q></q></li></ol> with hcard and hentry
- [01:44:59] <tantek>
indeed
- [01:45:21] <tantek>
welcome Wojciech!
- [01:45:57] <b3x_>
At this moment I suggest stop trying to implement it in this way and ask about change bigger part of code
- [01:46:28] <b3x_>
At the beginning tables were reasonable but then some things changed and now they are not. :)
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- [02:08:00] <factoryjoe>
b3x_: are you still working w/ twitter?
- [02:10:44] <b3x_>
I was doing first versions as the coder from xhtmlized.com
- [02:12:07] <factoryjoe>
ah
- [02:12:10] <factoryjoe>
but not anymore?
- [02:12:14] <factoryjoe>
tantek: still there?
- [02:14:06] <b3x_>
well, it still is basing on our code, but our job is only to convert graphics to xhtml/css/js so after some revisions I was not involved in further editing
- [02:15:23] <factoryjoe>
i see
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where are you based?
- [02:15:40] <b3x_>
Poland.
- [02:15:53] <b3x_>
I mean
- [02:16:40] <factoryjoe>
cool
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- [02:23:07] <factoryjoe>
i think i'll write up the microformats issue on the twitter-dev list
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- [02:29:58] <b3x_>
I'm leaving now. Nice to meet you, factoryjoe
- [02:30:06] <factoryjoe>
ditto
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[d]
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- [02:49:44] <factoryjoe>
anyone here?
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trying to get to the bottom of using an img's alt value as an FN
- [02:50:28] <cgriego>
hey Chris
- [02:50:32] <factoryjoe>
hey
- [02:50:57] <cgriego>
despite my objections, there's still no parsing rules for getting anything from an im'g alt text
- [02:51:25] <factoryjoe>
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/
- [02:51:29] <factoryjoe>
oops
- [02:51:30] <factoryjoe>
wtf
- [02:51:38] <factoryjoe>
my firefox is screwed up
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- [02:52:06] <factoryjoe>
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-December/002410.html
- [02:52:07] <factoryjoe>
hey alexknowshtml
- [02:52:19] <cgriego>
I'd suggest <a href="#" class="url"><abbr class="fn" title="Name"><img class="photo" src="#" alt="..." /></abbr></a>
- [02:52:26] <alexknowshtml>
hey hey
- [02:52:58] <alexknowshtml>
so this looks like an old bit that got lost along the way
- [02:53:10] <factoryjoe>
For properties with values NOT of type URL, URI, or UID, when the element for a property is:
- [02:53:11] <factoryjoe>
* <img alt> OR <area alt> : use the value of the 'alt' attribute.
- [02:53:23] <cgriego>
well with that one, <address class="vcard"><abbr title="Name" class="fn"><img class="photo" src="#" alt="Name" /></abbr></address>
- [02:53:27] <factoryjoe>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#more_semantic_exceptions
- [02:53:33] <alexknowshtml>
ok, so...
- [02:53:52] <factoryjoe>
cgriego: really?!
- [02:53:53] <alexknowshtml>
let me alter my local copy and see what happens :-)
- [02:53:56] <factoryjoe>
that's what they had!
- [02:53:58] <factoryjoe>
i told them to remove that
- [02:54:00] <factoryjoe>
it didn't make sense
- [02:54:11] <factoryjoe>
the abbr trick should work
- [02:54:15] <cgriego>
ah, so that is documented. no parser I've seen supports grabbing img@alt
- [02:54:16] <factoryjoe>
but seems like voodoo magic
- [02:54:20] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [02:54:23] <factoryjoe>
well that's a problem
- [02:54:27] <factoryjoe>
we should add that to the spec page
- [02:54:42] <alexknowshtml>
ok
- [02:54:49] <alexknowshtml>
so to make sure I understand:
- [02:55:11] <alexknowshtml>
the fn is coming from the title in the abbr
- [02:55:18] <alexknowshtml>
not the alt in the img
- [02:55:34] <cgriego>
correct
- [02:56:04] <factoryjoe>
i didn't know that you could look in titles
- [02:56:14] <cgriego>
you can if using the abbr tag
- [02:56:16] <alexknowshtml>
son of a gun, that works perfect
- [02:56:20] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [02:56:21] <factoryjoe>
fuck
- [02:56:26] <factoryjoe>
thats what they had
- [02:56:31] <factoryjoe>
i guess i didn't get the memo
- [02:56:38] <factoryjoe>
that seems like an abuse of abbr
- [02:56:52] <alexknowshtml>
it does, i agree
- [02:56:59] <cgriego>
that's what the Web Standards Project said :)
- [02:57:10] <alexknowshtml>
can you explain the "abbr" trick?
- [02:57:37] <cgriego>
http://microformats.org/wiki/abbr-design-pattern
- [02:57:39] <factoryjoe>
basically you get access to title b/c it's abbr
- [02:57:45] <alexknowshtml>
gotcha
- [02:57:45] <factoryjoe>
at least the values are readable
- [02:57:50] <factoryjoe>
but that's what the ALT tag is fot
- [02:57:52] <factoryjoe>
for
- [02:58:01] <factoryjoe>
we can't just go hiding stuff in ABBR's
- [02:58:07] <alexknowshtml>
well, here's the problem I see
- [02:58:22] <alexknowshtml>
if you're hiding something like a date in an alt tag
- [02:58:26] <alexknowshtml>
and a screen reader comes along
- [02:58:39] <alexknowshtml>
(im sure im hardly the first person to bring this up)
- [02:58:55] <cgriego>
alexknowshtml: http://www.webstandards.org/2007/04/27/haccessibility/
- [02:58:56] <alexknowshtml>
but yeah, it seems like a bastardization of semantics
- [02:59:09] <factoryjoe>
i've read the hAccessibility stuff
- [02:59:16] <alexknowshtml>
ah, i knew id read that somewhere :-)
- [02:59:42] <cgriego>
I side with using the datetime with dashes
- [02:59:48] <factoryjoe>
yeah
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- [02:59:53] <alexknowshtml>
rather than ISO
- [03:00:00] <alexknowshtml>
?
- [03:00:31] <cgriego>
ISO will allow you to use optional dashes
- [03:00:40] <alexknowshtml>
that seems like a simple enough fix for the rare occasion that the alt tag is totally irrelevant to the image it's representing
- [03:01:26] <cgriego>
2007-05-07T22:01:00-06
- [03:01:29] <cgriego>
valid ISO
- [03:01:55] <alexknowshtml>
thats fairly readable
- [03:01:59] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [03:03:06] <cgriego>
feel like I've been doing this all day, was playing with permeations of hReview earlier for a client project
- [03:03:18] <alexknowshtml>
hah
- [03:03:26] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [03:03:27] <factoryjoe>
well
- [03:03:37] <factoryjoe>
i think we should get a fix into operator
- [03:03:54] <factoryjoe>
and add support for alt-attr parsing
- [03:04:52] <alexknowshtml>
so the alt tag content is valid as per spec, just hasnt been documented well enough to make it into production
- [03:05:07] <alexknowshtml>
thats....icky
- [03:05:11] <cgriego>
agreed
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- [03:08:49] <alexknowshtml>
well glad that's settled. thanks!
- [03:10:39] <factoryjoe>
i sent a msg to the list
- [03:11:12] <cgriego>
my pleasure. so is weknowhtml working with Twitter or just acting as a concerned citizen?
- [03:11:29] <alexknowshtml>
nah, i just <3 twitter andmicroformats
- [03:11:55] <cgriego>
I can identify with that :D
- [03:12:28] <alexknowshtml>
right on
- [03:20:22] <cgriego>
whelp, logging off for the day. cya in cyberspace
- [03:20:32] <alexknowshtml>
take it easy
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[implementations-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=16490 * ChristopheDucamp * (+970) [fr:sync'd]
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=16491 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Twitter -
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=16492 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=16493 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Twitter - typo
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[implementations-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=16494 * StephaneGigandet * (+427) added ViaBloga rel-tag and hReview
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=16495 * StephaneGigandet * (+5) ViaBloga - fixed link
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[[User talk:ChrisBrentano]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisBrentano * AndyMabbett * (+71) welcome!
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=16499 * Wojciech * (+50)
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[[User talk:Wojciech]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Wojciech * AndyMabbett * (+71) Welcome!
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=16503 * Tantek * (+1035) added Reporting Bugs section
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[[User:BenDodson]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:BenDodson * BenDodson * (+803)
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hey all
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i'm trying to hentry up my comments on my blog, and am either missing something or found a bug in the ruby 'mofo' library
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anyone have a sec to take a look?
- [15:35:06] <briansuda>
sure, do you have a link?
- [15:35:21] <jnewland>
yeah
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[[put-it-on-the-wiki]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=put-it-on-the-wiki&diff=0&oldid=16507 * Tantek * (+64)
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http://soylentfoo.jnewland.com/articles/2007/03/27/capazon-capistrano-meets-amazon-ec2#comments
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mofo throws an InvalidMicroformat exception when parsing that page
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according to the hAtom->atom converter it works
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feed://www.lukearno.com/projects/hatom2atom/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsoylentfoo.jnewland.com%2Farticles%2F2007%2F03%2F27%2Fcapazon-capistrano-meets-amazon-ec2%23comments&ctype=application%2Fxml&tidy=yes
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so the issue looks like it might be mofo
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briansuda: thanks
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didn't know of that converter either
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i'm not 100% there isn't an issue with hAtom->atom, it might not be throwing an error, even though one is present, so double check the output is what you expect
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jnewland, could you note the bug and URL of test case under the "mofo" entry on the implementations page?
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tantek: willdo
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=16508 * TatWee * (+17) hCard -
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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evening
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Is there a way I can mark up a phone number that starts +44 (0) 7967 xxxxxx without the 0 being in the tel? Using value maybe?
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- [18:25:24] <KevinMarks>
have any of you GTD fans thought about microformats and GTD?
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=16509 * Tantek * (+669) created subheads for specific guidelines for easier citing, added ask for real world examples & URLs to examples
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KevinMarks, I'd suggest that you start to implement a GTD system yourself first rather than thinking about how you might improve such a system with microformats. In otherwords, get some real world GTD experience first ;)
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- [18:28:22] <KevinMarks>
I have some T, and it doesn't work for me 'cso the tools get on my nevers
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nerves
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- [18:28:31] <KevinMarks>
I'm wondering if you have done it
- [18:29:11] <KevinMarks>
I have kGTD set up
- [18:29:25] <KevinMarks>
paper versiosn clearly don't suit me
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and I haven't seena web tool I like
- [18:30:37] <KevinMarks>
I'm in a GTD seminar, watching the lecturer contort gmail to handle it for her too
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- [18:31:56] <bewest>
KevinMarks: wouldn't a lightweight user interface to an atom store do the job?
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- [18:34:00] <KevinMarks>
what i see is a lot fo tools that half work, and no good way fo moving stuff between them
- [18:34:18] <Prometheus^>
if I have a blog, would hAtom be the correct microformat for each of the blog items?
- [18:34:41] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [18:34:47] <Prometheus^>
alright, thanks :)
- [18:35:03] <tantek>
KevinMarks, starting with a paper system is actually not a bad idea for handling a lot of it
- [18:35:22] <tantek>
one of the GTD rules is the fewer inboxes you can get away with the better
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my corollary: the simpler/fewer tools you can get away with the better
- [18:36:03] <tantek>
the next step up from "just paper" is "just paper plus a plain text file"
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and use the plain text editor of your choice (I currently use BBEdit for my GTD plain text files)
- [18:36:49] <KevinMarks>
I know paper won't work for me
- [18:37:01] <KevinMarks>
except for bills at home
- [18:37:08] <tantek>
that's not the point - you do receive paper mail right?
- [18:37:16] <KevinMarks>
nope
- [18:37:23] <tantek>
you have to have at least *some* form of minimal paper system
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I don't even know where my paper mailbox is at work
- [18:37:41] <tantek>
i mean across contexts
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not just work
- [18:37:48] <KevinMarks>
only paper mail I get at home is bills and junk
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which is a fairly fast filter
- [18:38:05] <tantek>
greeting cards? invitations?
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personal letters?
- [18:38:17] <KevinMarks>
apart from al the junk thta pretends to be mortgages
- [18:38:29] <KevinMarks>
maybe one a month
- [18:38:37] <KevinMarks>
nothing I need a system for
- [18:38:49] <bewest>
yeah, I use plain text files more and more
- [18:38:59] <tantek>
i'm not sure the "nothing I need a system for" is actually accurate
- [18:39:07] <tantek>
depends on what you mean by need
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if a system helps you spend 50% less time on such things, even if that savings is only once a month, then wouldn't you still want to use that system?
- [18:40:06] <KevinMarks>
no, thats optimizing the wrong thing
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- [18:40:22] <KevinMarks>
I'm fine with how my paper stuff works; I don't have a problem there
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but that is because I have removed paper form my life except for books and bills
- [18:41:45] <tantek>
it's not optimizing the wrong thing, because it's the same system
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by using the same system for frequent things and infrequent things, you don't have to "think" about *which* system to use when
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a big stack of paper in my inbox that I look at once a week works fro bills at home
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- [18:43:03] <tantek>
the CS analogy perhaps relates to a processor code cache reuse
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it will not work for work-related stuff, which lives on my laptop
- [18:43:22] <tantek>
you don't want data (even infrequent data) to cause a code cache flush
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[[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=16510 * Tantek * (+200)
- [18:47:57] <tantek>
KevinMarks, think of it as more a "way of thinking about incoming stuff and tasks" rather than a specific system per se.
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http://www.davidco.com/coaches_corner/Kelly_Forrister/article78.html
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right, I am getting that
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- [18:49:04] <tantek>
obviously the specific actions you take to handle a paper piece of mail and an email are different, but by keeping the way of thinking about them as similar as possible, the net cognitive load for doing both types of tasks is lowered.
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interesting article. that won't work for me because the network is inherently unreliable (or slow) and I need to get things done independent of network availability.
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=16511 * Tantek * (-17) Reverted edit of TatWee, changed back to last version by JamesCraig
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right; thats why kGTD is attractive, 'cos reviewing it can be done on the train
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[[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=16512 * JamesCraig * (-760) Disadvantages - reverting content already on (or linked from) accessibility-issues page
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the real GTD trap is the programmers' instinct to go off and write a database for it
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16513 * ManuSporny * (+69) Work Title -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16514 * ManuSporny * (+38) Schema -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16515 * ManuSporny * (+98) Schema -
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[[audio-info-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-proposal&diff=0&oldid=16516 * Wojciech * (-72) Work Title
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pawlik is Maciej Pawlowski, Poland (mpawlowski.pl)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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wzajac, hi <;
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16517 * Tantek * (+377) added place vs. org issue
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16518 * AndyMabbett * (-377) rv. not what I said; duplicates entry of 2006-12-15
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16519 * Tantek * (+377) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16520 * Tantek * (+176) revert was to restore issue, alter source as apparently desired, and note difference from previous issue.
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16521 * AndyMabbett * (+180) clarify duplication
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=16522 * Tantek * (-3) typo
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