IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-05-09

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  1. [00:01:13] <KevinMarks> interesting; the hAtom to Atom on twitter doesn't have your name in the title like the Atom feed does
  2. [00:02:02] <KevinMarks> it also has links on the URLs (and url truncation) whereas the Atom one has unlinked URLs
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  41. [06:54:30] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16524 * ThomasAbcd * (+174) New Examples -
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  79. [13:16:48] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-fr&diff=0&oldid=16526 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Demandez des exemples du vrai monde -
  80. [13:17:24] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-fr&diff=0&oldid=16527 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) Demandez des exemples du vrai monde -
  81. [13:17:50] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-fr&diff=0&oldid=16528 * ChristopheDucamp * (-374) Use the wiki to capture state -
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  88. [13:36:32] <mfbot> [[put-it-on-the-wiki-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/put-it-on-the-wiki-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2457)
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  99. [14:35:13] <ijoshua> I have an idea for a microformat
  100. [14:39:50] <ijoshua> anyone here?
  101. [14:39:57] <Azath0th> nope
  102. [14:41:11] <ijoshua> ok. well, stop me if there exists a microformat for marking up dates and times that are not necessarily calendar events
  103. [14:43:21] <ijoshua> but I think it would be useful to have a format "ftime" which can be used to markup dates and times, using class names derived from the format characters in strftime()
  104. [14:43:42] <ijoshua> for example: <div class="ftime"><span class="e">3</span> <span class="b">May</span> <span class="Y">2007</span></div>
  105. [14:45:03] <Azath0th> but in what context?
  106. [14:45:16] <Azath0th> there's the abbr-design pattern
  107. [14:45:35] <Azath0th> http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern
  108. [14:47:03] <ijoshua> I'm thinking of a use case I've seen on several blogs, for marking the publication date of a post
  109. [14:47:14] <Azath0th> hAtom is great for blog posts
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  111. [14:47:33] <Azath0th> http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom
  112. [14:49:02] <ijoshua> I suppose the datetime design pattern addresses the same use...
  113. [14:50:20] <ijoshua> but as the wiki page notes, there is an accessibility problem for screen readers
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  115. [14:50:39] <Azath0th> yes, it's an elemental microformat that can be used pretty much anywhere
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  117. [14:52:07] <Azath0th> http://www.webstandards.org/2007/04/27/haccessibility/
  118. [14:52:10] <Azath0th> also read the comments!
  119. [14:55:42] <ijoshua> there are a lot of comments to go through on that page, but I can see that at least a few people are in favor of a solution different from the current use of abbr in datetime
  120. [15:05:29] <ijoshua> especially with regards to encoding the date in a title attribute... as Jim O?Donnell says, ?I don?t know if anyone else agrees, but my own rule of thumb for a title attribute is ?if you read it aloud to the person next to you, would they understand it???
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  123. [15:07:05] <ijoshua> My proposal contains no empty elements and no redundant information, and is both human- and machine-readable
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  128. [15:19:00] <ijoshua> tantek, I'd like to hear your opinion on an alternative format for dates/times
  129. [15:19:55] <tantek> i think we're still gathering data on alternatives
  130. [15:20:10] <ijoshua> I have a proposal
  131. [15:20:18] <tantek> backed by research?
  132. [15:20:50] <ijoshua> well, say it's more of an idea... I just thought it up today, so I haven't had much time for research
  133. [15:21:01] <SamRose> I wil not marry you
  134. [15:21:06] <SamRose> :)
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  136. [15:22:05] <ijoshua> The idea is to build the format on the basis of the strftime() format, eschewing the title attribute for including the ISO date
  137. [15:23:38] <ijoshua> for example: <div class="ftime"><span class="e">3</span> <span class="b">May</span> <span class="Y">2007</span></div>
  138. [15:23:38] * pnhChris still hasn't had the time to go looking for examples of "poorly" accessible dates in page content yet... but didn't see that raised much, if at all in the conversation
  139. [15:24:00] <tantek> pnhChris, right
  140. [15:24:54] <tantek> ijoshua, strftime is too US/English biased, doesn't internationalize very well
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  142. [15:25:31] <tantek> or rather, places a *much* bigger burden on parsers to support all possible international date-times
  143. [15:26:00] <pnhChris> i also didn't see fit to mention it was missing.. a hard thing to suggest is an ignored without some live cases... and not sound like its an attempt to write off some peoples valid concerns about the current datetime pattern
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  146. [15:28:18] <pnhChris> i look at something like mediawiki's history page and think it be a nightmare in screen readers, but that's not really the case we're looking for
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  189. [17:25:20] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  195. [17:37:31] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  238. [19:51:35] <mxNet> Hello guys, I know this isn't exactly a microformats question - it's VCard one. I can't find anywhere - what type and component of vCard sets the Department field in most address books (like Outlook)
  239. [19:51:36] <mxNet> ?
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  248. [20:37:25] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  259. [21:31:04] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  280. [23:06:01] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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