IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-05-16

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  17. [01:25:12] <othermaciej> where might I find a list of prominent sites using microformats?
  18. [01:25:29] <TheRLG> there's one on the wiki, isnt there?
  19. [01:25:47] <ianloic> at least there are per-microformat lists of examples
  20. [01:25:55] <othermaciej> I would hope so, but I don't know where on the wiki it would be
  21. [01:26:05] <ianloic> also, I don't know if any prominent sites use microformats...
  22. [01:26:11] <ianloic> I guess twitter and linkedin do
  23. [01:26:16] <othermaciej> twitter and wikipedia would count in my book
  24. [01:26:18] <TheRLG> I remember seeing something about yahoo
  25. [01:26:20] <othermaciej> and linkedin
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  27. [01:31:50] <ajturner> flickr
  28. [01:32:10] <othermaciej> looks like facebook uses hCalendar
  29. [01:32:17] <TheRLG> ah
  30. [01:32:29] <othermaciej> specifically examples of sites that use microforamts which at least partly use the class attribute would be helpful
  31. [01:32:29] <ajturner> actually - most yahoo properties do now in some way
  32. [01:32:33] <TheRLG> the new firefox plugin to handle microformats sucks really badly though
  33. [01:32:42] <othermaciej> this is to cite examples for the HTML Working Group of why semantic use of class should not be forbidden
  34. [01:32:44] <ajturner> which one ? there are a bunch
  35. [01:33:08] <TheRLG> Operator
  36. [01:33:14] <othermaciej> any that use class would be good
  37. [01:33:31] <othermaciej> which ones does flickr use? I want to be specific
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  39. [01:34:14] <othermaciej> I think I might just go through some "examples in the wild" sections
  40. [01:34:18] <ajturner> look at it othermaciej
  41. [01:34:29] <ajturner> http://flickr.com
  42. [01:35:09] <othermaciej> you are right, I could do all the research myself, but I'm hoping that others would want to help me out with a task that amounts to advocating microformats for HTML5 instead of Uppercase Semantic Web technologies
  43. [01:36:06] <othermaciej> (no obligation to help of course, but I would appreciate it)
  44. [01:36:15] <TheRLG> XFN is pretty much the only thing I've implemented in my blog
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  47. [01:42:27] <ajturner> othermaciej - other useful resources: http://pingerati.net/
  48. [01:42:36] <ajturner> eventful, upcoming, alexa, edgeio
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  51. [01:46:08] <bewest> othermaciej: the claim that semantic class names aren't used is ridiculous
  52. [01:46:30] <bewest> othermaciej: as for consumers of semantic classnames, it would be impossible to list all of them
  53. [01:46:47] <bewest> othermaciej: many sites use semantic classes to author their widgets
  54. [01:47:01] <othermaciej> bewest: I don't think anyone claims they aren't, I just want to make clear the high cost of legislating them out of existence
  55. [01:47:30] <bewest> yeah
  56. [01:48:10] <bewest> anyway, as for things like search engines, there seems to be a common mistake that you can know what search engines do to come up with results
  57. [01:48:38] <bewest> search engines don't really go out of their way to divulge such information
  58. [01:49:54] <bewest> othermaciej: anyway, do you have enough examples?
  59. [01:50:06] <othermaciej> bewest: yes
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  61. [01:50:25] <bewest> I was considering responding to that thread
  62. [01:51:31] <bewest> othermaciej: also, fwiw, alexa has commercially available products to mine the web at the scale ian does
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  150. [14:50:24] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16790 * Epiphany Solutions * (+219)
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  204. [18:41:45] <KevinMarks> or just use the rel="openid.delegate" defined for head links?
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  207. [19:01:08] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=16792 * Tantek * (+613) moved a few hCard successes to section at end, details for dodgeball microformats needs
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  245. [21:18:56] <cgriego> are XFN and hCard the only microformats with XMDP profile URIs?
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  247. [21:21:29] <kingryan> cgriego: yes
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  251. [21:22:45] <cgriego> ah, well that clears up just about all the confusion I've ever had about how to use them.
  252. [21:23:21] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=16793 * ChristopheDucamp * (+752)
  253. [21:23:37] <kingryan> cgriego: I'm actually working this week on getting some more profile URLs minted
  254. [21:23:42] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=16794 * ChristopheDucamp * (-3) A venir : -
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  256. [21:24:36] <cgriego> kingryan: where should I watch for updates on that?
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  259. [21:32:22] <kingryan> probably mf-dev first
  260. [21:33:00] <kingryan> btw, has anyone seen robert bachmann around recently?
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  280. [22:17:48] <tantek> wow this is amazing. I've never before seen a company post a "Data Bill of Rights": http://www.wesabe.com/page/security
  281. [22:18:07] <tantek> reflects a lot of principles we hold in common, e.g. users own their own data etc.
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  283. [22:19:33] <wzajac> wesabe? :))
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  285. [22:23:50] <bewest> tantek: it's not from the AttentionTrust group?
  286. [22:24:27] <tantek> bewest you're asking me to disprove an abstract negative?
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  288. [22:25:17] <bewest> rephrase: tantek: have you seen attention trust?
  289. [22:25:25] <bewest> http://attentiontrust.org/
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  292. [22:29:10] <tantek> bewest, I have. I think the framing of "attention" is too narrow and not particularly of the highest priority for users or developers.
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  294. [22:30:42] <bewest> hmmm interesting
  295. [22:30:50] <bewest> too narrow?
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  297. [22:36:15] <tantek> bewest yes
  298. [22:36:24] <tantek> it's frankly too meta
  299. [22:36:31] <tantek> in terms of priority
  300. [22:36:53] <tantek> it's much more important for users to be able to copy/move/subscribe to their *actual* data
  301. [22:37:05] <tantek> rather than the data about the attention they pay to their data
  302. [22:37:22] <tantek> you might say that the focus on attention is narrow and premature
  303. [22:37:26] <tantek> a bit cart before the horse
  304. [22:37:53] <tantek> whereas here in microformats we're trying to find and train/discipline a whole stable of horses first ;)
  305. [22:43:11] <bewest> heh
  306. [22:43:35] <bewest> that reminds me of some of the things going on in the public-html list
  307. [22:49:26] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16795 * Rolandinsh * (+173) Individuals - added Rolands home page
  308. [22:51:42] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16796 * Rolandinsh * (-173) Individuals - Rolands moved to correct section
  309. [22:52:23] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=16797 * Rolandinsh * (+173) New Examples - Rolands home page added
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  312. [23:00:44] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=16798 * Adactio * (+1) Microformats related events -
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  318. [23:14:41] <mfbot> [[events/2007-05-16-xtech]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-05-16-xtech&diff=0&oldid=16799 * Adactio * (+274) Summary -
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