IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-14

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  8. [00:46:18] <mfbot> [[hreview-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=17498 * ZabPe5 * (-11632)
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  11. [00:50:14] <mfbot> [[hreview-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=17499 * Tantek * (+11632) Reverted edit of ZabPe5, changed back to last version by Gazza
  12. [00:52:20] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:ZabPe5" with an expiry time of infinite: damage/spam
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  39. [06:46:42] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  43. [07:00:43] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  47. [08:01:35] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  55. [09:23:30] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  59. [09:58:20] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  67. [12:47:55] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  74. [13:09:27] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  76. [13:20:04] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  78. [13:21:28] * briansuda pokes mkaply
  79. [13:21:37] <mkaply> ow
  80. [13:21:59] <briansuda> i saw your Q in the archives: Does X2V get the raw HTML for something like a vevent description that has HTML in it or does it do a text parse?
  81. [13:22:28] <briansuda> can you elaborate?
  82. [13:23:22] <mkaply> I'm wondering for the FF3 API, when someone requests hcalendar.description, should they get the "raw" description or should I text parse it? It seems like there are arguments for both.
  83. [13:23:33] <mkaply> The spec seems to indicate I should text parse it.
  84. [13:23:39] <mkaply> But you lose a lot of content that you can't get back
  85. [13:23:40] <briansuda> yes, there are...
  86. [13:24:02] <briansuda> for hCard NOTE i do an ASCII representation of the HTML
  87. [13:24:09] <briansuda> but this is NOT required by the spec
  88. [13:24:13] <mkaply> I could provide an api in microformats to convert things to text
  89. [13:24:33] <briansuda> i guess it depends on the end data
  90. [13:24:35] <briansuda> in iCal you wouldn
  91. [13:24:40] <briansuda> 't want the HTML
  92. [13:24:56] <mkaply> that's what I was thinking. So it's really about the action deciding what to do. Which is what I have now.
  93. [13:25:01] <briansuda> but for Upcoming or Google Cal, if they accept it, then it would be worth it
  94. [13:25:09] <mkaply> ok. So the way I have it is good
  95. [13:25:44] <briansuda> because this is NOT part of the spec (or a manditory one) this is where the market will decide, applications can compete on features
  96. [13:25:54] <mkaply> ok.
  97. [13:26:17] <mkaply> I also still need someone else with a yahoo calendar account to tell me if yahoo is broken or if there is something wrong with my account
  98. [13:26:21] <briansuda> if i were Google/Yahoo, i'd be striping and cleaning that HTML input as best possible!!!
  99. [13:26:22] <mkaply> You have one?
  100. [13:26:46] <briansuda> no, i have a yahoo account because of Upcoming and FLickr, but i never use the calendar
  101. [13:27:43] <mkaply> can you just go to
  102. [13:27:51] <mkaply> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/192396/
  103. [13:27:58] <mkaply> and select send to yahoo calendar
  104. [13:28:08] <mkaply> and tell me what date it tries to add it as?
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  106. [13:28:59] <briansuda> Basic microformats seminor in Tokyo
  107. [13:29:08] <briansuda> Date: Thursday June 14, 2007
  108. [13:29:16] <briansuda> Time: 8:28 am
  109. [13:29:30] <mkaply> OK. Yahoo is screwed. I can't believe they haven't noticed this. It's been this way for like two weeks
  110. [13:30:04] <briansuda> :)
  111. [13:30:15] <briansuda> hm, is anyone here working for Yahoo?
  112. [13:30:49] * vant works in tokyo :)
  113. [13:32:39] <briansuda> OK, mkaply can you email me the issue and i can forward it to a contact in Yahoo on the Cal team
  114. [13:32:45] <mkaply> I sent email, and I posted it on the upcoming news site - but nothing. I can't believe this big of a bug hasn't gotten any attention
  115. [13:33:26] <briansuda> do you have a link to the bug?
  116. [13:33:27] <mkaply> actually, they do know of it
  117. [13:33:35] <mkaply> We've been aware of this problem for a few weeks now, and the Calendar
  118. [13:33:35] <mkaply> team should have a fix out shortly. I believe it's only a problem with
  119. [13:33:35] <mkaply> preview, so if you go ahead and add the event, I believe should show up
  120. [13:33:35] <mkaply> on the right day (but don't hold me to that!).
  121. [13:33:53] <mkaply> I just didn't see the post to the yws-events group
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  124. [13:36:59] <briansuda> yeah, you are not going crazy it is an issue on their end
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  150. [15:37:55] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  154. [16:09:48] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  216. [21:16:35] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  219. [21:32:53] <mkaply> <abbr class="rrule" title="freq=yearly">yearly</abbr>
  220. [21:32:58] <mkaply> do you people hate parser writers?
  221. [21:33:02] <mkaply> shoot me in the head now
  222. [21:37:06] <KevinMarks> given-name and family-name are singular
  223. [21:37:21] <KevinMarks> er, that was a question
  224. [21:37:56] <KevinMarks> are given-name and family-name plural? the spec says so, but they look singular to me, with additional name as plural
  225. [21:38:25] <KevinMarks> rrule will make you shoot yourself in the head anyway
  226. [21:38:55] <KevinMarks> I met the chap who wrote that section of the RFC and he said ti was over-specced and needed clarifying
  227. [21:39:38] <mkaply> I only have additional name as plural
  228. [21:39:42] <mkaply> I thought that is what the spec said
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  230. [22:02:39] <mfbot> [[xfn-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-issues&diff=0&oldid=17501 * Chris Messina * (-1) accepted fragment identifier issue
  231. [22:03:20] <mfbot> [[Template:AcceptedIssue]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:AcceptedIssue * Chris Messina * (+117)
  232. [22:03:36] <mfbot> [[xfn-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-issues&diff=0&oldid=17502 * Chris Messina * (+5)
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  240. [22:32:23] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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