IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-28
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hilarious: http://www.flickr.com/photos/antikris/641378244/
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[music-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17957 * ChristopheDucamp * (+610) syncd,,,
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evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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Howdy, jibot!
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So, at what point does jibot subsume all of the functionality of Joi Ito?
- [04:16:10] <evanpro>
We could then turn Joi off
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or keep him around for a hot-swap backup as needed
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17958 * Ys7Bbt * (-40122)
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[[music-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=17959 * ChristopheDucamp * (+208) sync'd / sites de commerce à traduire et compléter
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17960 * ChristopheDucamp * (+40122) revert vandalism --> back to Andy's version
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17961 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1539) synchro in progress
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17962 * ChristopheDucamp * (-5) Exemples avec quelques problèmes -
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17963 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1482) Exemples pour se conformer - sync'd
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17964 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) [fr : section des exemples révisés glissée sous la section des exemples avec problèmes]
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17965 * ChristopheDucamp * (+474) ajout section boutons
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17966 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1754) sync in progress
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[[geo-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-fr&diff=0&oldid=17967 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1044) exemples dans la jungle - sync'd
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17968 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1023) sync'd
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[[hatom-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=17969 * ChristopheDucamp * (+235) 0.1 implémentations hAtom - sync'd
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=17970 * ChristopheDucamp * (+517) Nouveaux exemples -
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[[Template:welcome-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:welcome-fr&diff=0&oldid=17971 * ChristopheDucamp * (+346) [fr : replacé quelques liens sur microformateurs.org]
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shawn_ is in Mountain View, CA
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[[citation-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-fr&diff=0&oldid=17972 * ChristopheDucamp * (+185) sync'd : added citation-issues-fr to be sync'd
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[[citation-issues-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3566) page à traduire
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[[picoformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=17973 * ChristopheDucamp * (+174) sync'd
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[[dopplr-syntax-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/dopplr-syntax-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1495) [fr: creation]
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17974 * ChristopheDucamp * (+142) CV07 moved to recent section
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=17975 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Recent -
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[[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=17976 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1000) updated
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[events-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=17977 * ChristopheDucamp * (+12)
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[[events-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=17978 * ChristopheDucamp * (+182) Add ExplorCamp Paris 2 - Paris July 11th
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[[events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1954) création
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[[events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr&diff=0&oldid=17979 * ChristopheDucamp * (+48)
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[[events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr&diff=0&oldid=17980 * ChristopheDucamp * (+45) Présentateurs -
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[[events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-07-11-explorcampparis2-fr&diff=0&oldid=17981 * ChristopheDucamp * (+118)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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CaptSolo is blogging about life _and_ semantic web on http://captsolo.net/info/
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hi :)
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people on #sioc suggested this is a place to be if interested in the Operator plugin, and micrformats in general
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:Ys7Bbt" with an expiry time of infinite: vandalism
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=17982 * Ben Ward * (+178) Added link to Mark Pilgrims piece against permalink IDs and for Tag URIs to the atom:id section.
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[error-message-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=error-message-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17983 * Evan * (+1774) some brainstorming examples
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Ys7Bbt" with an expiry time of infinite: vandalism
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17986 * AndyMabbett * (+61) Post vCard additions - evidence
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17989 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Post vCard additions - fix
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17990 * Tantek * (+27) [[profile-examples]] have urls to sites that publish gender info in contact information
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Hi is pingerati broken?
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So, the mailing list has gotten crazy. Today was the first time in three years that I woke up and had received more real mail overnight than spam.
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:)
- [18:17:50] <pnhChris>
and yet... its about as valuable as the spam is [mostly kidding :P ]
- [18:17:53] <sf_ghoul>
Can we mark up the grid references on this page with geo microformats? http://caving.atspace.com
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=17991 * AndyMabbett * (+9) Name Properties - update
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omg, why does everyone always want to discuss renaming things, rather than building things?
- [18:32:21] <sf_ghoul>
Why don't we rename xfn
- [18:32:55] <sf_ghoul>
At least most other microformats have a meaningful name
- [18:32:58] <sf_ghoul>
:P
- [18:33:13] <tantek>
sf_ghoul have you implemented microformats on your site?
- [18:33:22] <sf_ghoul>
Hi Tantek
- [18:33:37] <sf_ghoul>
I want to implement geo on http://caving.atspace.com
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I'm pretty sure I can only have one geo per page though, but I've got a dozen or so co-ordinates (so far)
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So I thought maybe I could mark up each cave with a hcard
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What do you think?
- [18:36:52] <kingryan>
sf_ghoul: you can have more than one geo per page
- [18:36:57] <kingryan>
hcard might be appropriate
- [18:37:19] <sf_ghoul>
Thanks, I'll try that
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sf_ghoul: re: "At least most other microformats have a meaningful name" - names are arbitrary, permanence is more important than "meaningfulness"
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I don't think any of my other pages have any opportunities for microformats - http://corewar.atspace.com for example
- [18:39:44] <sf_ghoul>
One thing I wondered, can I use hCalendar to mark up past (or historic) events?
- [18:40:26] <sf_ghoul>
kingryan: sorry I couldn't resist suggesting at least one change :)
- [18:42:55] <kingryan>
sf_ghoul: yeah, it's not funny anymore
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- [18:43:27] <DerrickPallas>
it ~= unfunny
- [18:44:26] <sf_ghoul>
kingryan: It's everywhere, people come along and want to change stuff. I do redcode programming and every couple of weeks some newbie wants to change the language :( Anyway I'm drifting off topic
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- [18:47:24] <sf_ghoul>
Do you think it's appropriate to mark up all of my external links with xfolk and point the tags to technorati
- [18:47:45] <sf_ghoul>
Also would it be appropriate to similarly mark up internal links
- [18:47:49] <kingryan>
sf_ghoul: I know, everyone wants to change the seemingly easy things to change (like names), but those changes have nearly 0 payback
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implementation wins
- [18:48:11] * sf_ghoul apologises for all the newbie questions :)
- [18:50:30] <KevinMarks>
the point of microformats is to have common names
- [18:50:35] <KevinMarks>
(well one point)
- [18:51:28] <sf_ghoul>
Well I'm happy to use whatever name it's got if it makes my content more useful or accessible
- [18:55:30] <tantek>
sf_ghoul, consider adding yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people
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I wasn't aware that we chose property names by brainstorming and then waiting for an absence of objections ;-)
- [18:58:08] <sf_ghoul>
That's interesting. Ok, as soon as I implement some microformats :)
- [18:59:11] <tantek>
absence of input/objections means no one else cares, means it is not relevant enough to bother with.
- [18:59:24] <DerrickPallas>
Not just common names, common semantics too.
- [18:59:51] <tantek>
thus absence of input/objections is actually a far harsher criticism than any specific objection
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and thus of a very low priority for the community to consider
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whether it is a new format, a property etc.
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thanks for the help
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17992 * AndyMabbett * (+196) Post vCard additions - implicit gender
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17993 * AndyMabbett * (+572) Post vCard additions - more
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17994 * AndyMabbett * (+255) Post vCard additions - more elevations
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17995 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Post vCard additions - fmt
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=17996 * AndyMabbett * (+38) Post vCard additions - pre-existing geo-elevation-examples
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Strange. Palm Desktop won't import a vCard if it has a NAME specified.
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mkaply, please document which version of Palm Desktop etc. and the precise problem here: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
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tantek: doing that now.
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Was way ahead of you
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:)
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[[vcard-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=17997 * MikeKaply * (+143) Contributors -
- [20:31:20] * mkaply has no interest in writing an exporter for each consumer
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argh. And the reason my testcases worked is because NAME was blank because I had no title on my page
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mkaply, yeah, the whole point of a standard is to NOT HAVE TO write an exporter for each consumer
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well so far it looks like noone follows the standard. Outlook, Palm, Apple
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or rather, nobody's perfect ;)
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hopefully we can change that by publishing test cases and publicly publishing bug reports
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=17998 * Tantek * (+51) add hCard history page to informative references, group related historical references under it.
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[[hcard-history]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-history * Tantek * (+2875) drafted from notes in email and more off the top of my head.
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[[history-of-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=history-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=17999 * Tantek * (+79)
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[[hcard-history]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-history&diff=0&oldid=18000 * Tantek * (+39)
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[[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=18001 * Tantek * (+348)
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[[logical-flaws]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/logical-flaws * Tantek * (+1324) drafted based on recent examples
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