IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-06-29
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[[Firefox]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Firefox * Tantek * (+21)
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[[Operator]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Operator * Tantek * (+41)
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[[Firefox]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Firefox&diff=0&oldid=18002 * Tantek * (+11)
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=18003 * Tantek * (+625)
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[[internet-explorer-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internet-explorer-extensions&diff=0&oldid=18004 * Tantek * (+357) noted Maxthon alternative to IE.
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18005 * JiaL5e * (-40122)
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:JiaL5e" with an expiry time of infinite: vandalism
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18006 * Tantek * (+40122) revert vandalism
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amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
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evening.
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what is pownce?
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just another twitter?
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tantek: u are a user, is pownce another twitter?
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[[posh]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh&diff=0&oldid=18007 * BritTa * (+105) Resources - adding link to del.icio.us for more bookmarks :)
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18008 * Faaborg * (+498) Challenges -
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18009 * Faaborg * (+914) Added suggested design guidelines for Web designers
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18010 * Faaborg * (+30) Design Guidelines -
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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trovster love it in the ass
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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- [14:05:45] <mkaply>
anyone know of an hcard with a japanese name?
- [14:06:42] <tantek>
mkaply, did you check hcard-examples-in-wild ?
- [14:07:00] <mkaply>
tantek: yep. First place I looked. Nothing there. Wikipedia uses the foreign names as nicknames which isn't what I want
- [14:08:08] <mkaply>
I got a note from someone saying they were having trouble with their japanese hcard, but they didn't send me a page and didn't respondto my nore
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note
- [14:09:36] <tantek>
mkaply, try http://technorati.jp/about/contact.html ;)
- [14:10:44] <mkaply>
perfect
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18011 * Tantek * (+123) added Technorati.jp contact hCard to Organizations
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mkaply: fixed my operator location bar vs status bar problem. and some other menu issues. still need to debug context menu disappearing bug.
- [14:13:37] <mkaply>
that was up with the location bar/status bar thing?
- [14:13:48] <mkaply>
Or did I fix it somehow magically?
- [14:13:50] <taaz>
one or the other worked but not both.
- [14:13:57] <taaz>
no, it was a bug
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do you want many small patch emails or shall i collect them into one email?
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18012 * Tantek * (+277) add Technorati Japan contact hCard example to UTF8 examples, create nickname only section
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- [14:17:24] <tantek>
mkaply, I added that Japanese hCard, and separated out the "nickname only" examples per your feedback.
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18013 * Tantek * (+0) UTF8 Examples - capitalize
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- [14:20:36] <mkaply>
tantek: thanks
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taaz: Small patchwould be great.
- [14:20:50] <mkaply>
I'd like to get them fixed as fast as possible
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
- [16:35:39] <mkaply>
taaz: thanks for cleaning up my code :)
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DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
- [16:40:44] <taaz>
mkaply: not sure if you are aware, but javascript does actually allow you to use functions and put in comments :)
- [16:41:12] <mkaply>
taaz: yeah. Ohloh already gave me a hard time about that
- [16:41:33] <mkaply>
Very few source code comments
- [16:42:07] <mkaply>
When I get in the zone, I just code. I've been trying to go back and comment things. Microformats.js is commented better because it is going into Firefox source tree.
- [16:42:15] <mkaply>
And I've gotten better at the function thing.
- [16:42:16] <mkaply>
:)
- [16:43:17] <taaz>
smaller functions with descriptive names would be a good start
- [16:43:40] <taaz>
then you can at least claim to have self-documenting code
- [16:44:17] <mkaply>
All my code is self documenting. What do you mean? :)
- [16:44:27] <mkaply>
processSemanticData got WAY too big
- [17:00:20] * mkaply adds lots of comments to Operator
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- [17:02:20] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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- [17:13:06] <mkaply>
taaz: you're helping me cleanout my dead code :)
- [17:21:23] * briansuda has updated some GEO XSLT code to support #fragment-identifiers correctly
- [17:31:19] * briansuda wonders if we need to better explain TEL, there has been alot of questions lately
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- [17:42:27] <tantek>
briansuda, start with collecting/documenting the questions on hcard-issues so we can see what needs to be better explained.
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kingryan is ryan king
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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- [18:53:45] <taaz>
mkaply: disableNewAction has that same odd array size counting loop
- [18:54:05] <mkaply>
taaz: OK. will fix
- [18:56:44] * taaz ponders why now operator totally doesn't work :)
- [18:56:53] <mkaply>
taaz: I think my bad. Hold on
- [18:57:26] <mkaply>
taaz: update again
- [18:57:29] <taaz>
i need to find a javascript lint tool
- [18:57:31] <mkaply>
I forgot to close a comment
- [18:57:36] <mkaply>
totally my bad
- [18:59:11] <taaz>
proof comments are evil!
- [19:01:39] <mkaply>
are my comments better
- [19:04:35] <KevinMarks>
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-versus-closed-code-and-networks.html
- [19:04:54] <KevinMarks>
(microformats as open social network)
- [19:11:25] <kingryan>
taaz: http://www.javascriptlint.com/
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- [19:12:20] <KevinMarks>
tantek: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-versus-closed-code-and-networks.html
- [19:14:23] <KevinMarks>
(and yes, I did finally xfn my blogroll, though I still need to weed out the dead links)
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- [19:14:38] <KevinMarks>
and add new ones
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- [19:16:32] <tantek_>
KevinMarks, another reason that authoring Flash is a bad idea for publishers - search engines don't index it. Publishing content using flash = bad SEO = forget about ambient findability.
- [19:16:56] <KevinMarks>
Oh, lots of reasons it's bad
- [19:17:11] <taaz>
kingryan: thanks
- [19:17:24] <tantek_>
nice post KevinMarks
- [19:17:38] <KevinMarks>
there are some reasons it's good too (vector graphics, interoperable video) but thats a side issue
- [19:18:02] <tantek_>
it's good as a PNG/JPG/MOV/AVI alternative. Nothing more.
- [19:18:25] <KevinMarks>
it's good as sn SVG alternative
- [19:18:43] <tantek_>
that's being too kind to SVG
- [19:19:26] <KevinMarks>
indeed
- [19:19:40] <KevinMarks>
there isn't a good open vector format I know of
- [19:20:56] <kingryan>
KevinMarks: <canvas> ?
- [19:23:30] <KevinMarks>
thats promising, yes
- [19:23:36] <KevinMarks>
not looked at it closely
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- [19:34:00] <mfbot>
[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18014 * DStorey * (+108) New Examples - added Dev Opera
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[[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=18015 * DStorey * (+207) Examples in the Wild - added dev opera and my opera
- [19:49:37] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18016 * DStorey * (+114) New Examples -
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- [20:05:25] <briansuda>
anyone from technorati know how to view ALL version history on their wiki? http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/xhtml_2dxslt_2d2_2dical?action=info
- [20:05:48] <briansuda>
i'd like to get more of the early days of hCard/hCal pre-microformats.org onto the wiki
- [20:08:15] <tantek_>
briansuda, I would too.
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- [20:08:32] <tantek>
We need some MoinMoin expertise
- [20:08:43] <briansuda>
i can only seem to get the last 50 or so versions from the history page
- [20:08:49] * briansuda asks google
- [20:08:58] <tantek>
right, I can't seem to figure out how to get versions before that either
- [20:09:07] <tantek>
though I'm pretty sure they're in the there
- [20:11:38] <briansuda>
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinQuestions/UsingTheWiki#head-9d1b1d6beedde40b92cc6c13962b5a6f5b289d10
- [20:11:48] <briansuda>
looks like you need to get them from the file system, not the web
- [20:14:05] <DanC>
yes, that's what I'd guess based on my MoinMoin experience
- [20:35:21] <tantek>
briansuda, perhaps add "get more of the early days of hCard/hCal pre-microformats.org onto the wiki" to your section on http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do and capture your notes like that moinmoin URL
- [20:35:47] <tantek>
so that we at least have a place where we can track this effort and the information required to complete it
- [20:35:56] <briansuda>
good idea
- [20:38:45] <mfbot>
[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18017 * Brian * (+224) added to-do about microformats history
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[hcard-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=18018 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1639) to be sync'd with the original link
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[hcard-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=18020 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2874) Parsage -
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[[hcard-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=18021 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2786) additions aux futures vCard -
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[[hcard-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=18022 * ChristopheDucamp * (-9603) geo improvements-fr moved on geo-brainstorming-fr
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[[hcard-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=18023 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
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[[geo-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+10718) création
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=18024 * ChristopheDucamp * (+146)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=18025 * ChristopheDucamp * (+131) Organisations -
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[[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=18027 * ChristopheDucamp * (+246) Implémentations -
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- [23:21:28] <briansuda>
Nokia managed to follow the vCard spec too good! down to the /r/n requirement that everyone else is lax about!
- [23:22:42] <tantek>
briansuda, that's good though! You should document that on http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
- [23:23:29] <briansuda>
looks like someone already did:
- [23:23:30] <briansuda>
http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations#Nokia_series_60_address_book
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=18028 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1732)
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=18029 * ChristopheDucamp * (+909)
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[[posh-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=posh-fr&diff=0&oldid=18030 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Billets de Blog CHIC -
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[[internet-explorer-extensions-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=internet-explorer-extensions-fr&diff=0&oldid=18031 * ChristopheDucamp * (+437)
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[[favelets-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/favelets-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+29)
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=18032 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1448) sync'd
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=18033 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Delicious Generation -
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=18034 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Delicious Generation -
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[[Firefox-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Firefox-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+35)
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