IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-13
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- [00:00:15] <SignpostMarv>
e.g. <abbr class="action" title="offer,rent">for rent</abbr> in the case of the car ad
- [00:05:00] <kingryan>
I'm not that familar with hlisting
- [00:05:07] <kingryan>
it's kinda been dead in the water for awhile
- [00:05:47] <SignpostMarv>
from what i've seen, info in microformats is presented in one of two ways
- [00:06:21] <SignpostMarv>
<element class="info">value</element> or <abbr class="info" title="value">human readable value</abbr>
- [00:07:02] <SignpostMarv>
in the parking space for rent example, the listing action is in neither style
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[[User:VIAGRA]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:VIAGRA * VIAGRA * (+194)
- [03:23:20] <mfbot>
[[mediawiki-customization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=0&oldid=18332 * Tantek * (+455) some more on hyphenated phrases
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "User:VIAGRA": content was: some redirection spam shiat
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:VIAGRA" with an expiry time of infinite: *obvious*
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- [04:13:17] <nambor>
hey all - can anyone tell me if issue "2006-12-15 raised by WizardIsHungry" on the wiki/hcard-issues page is still open? ...it's unclear from the content
- [04:13:35] <tantek>
which issue is that?
- [04:14:04] <nambor>
i'm just trying to work out if http://mobileonlinebusiness.com.au/uf/hCard_form.html is an acceptable work around for hCard's in an editable web form - but that issue suggests hidden content is frowned upon
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- [04:14:29] <tantek>
hidden content *is* in general undesirable yes
- [04:14:42] <tantek>
forms are a special case that needs special analysis
- [04:14:57] <tantek>
ideally to enable additional scenarios
- [04:15:01] <nambor>
does that form look like an acceptable work around?
- [04:15:09] <tantek>
like for a browser to be able to paste an hCard into the page
- [04:15:11] <nambor>
or is there some other discussion on that i can look at
- [04:15:41] <nambor>
mmm...only way i can see to bind it is with javascript
- [04:15:48] <nambor>
which makes your example problematic
- [04:15:53] <tantek>
right it's not clear what the form is trying to do
- [04:16:02] <tantek>
it would be better if the data could be in *one* place, in the input
- [04:16:15] <nambor>
agreed...but I couldn't see how to do that
- [04:16:17] <tantek>
which probably means we need to treat <input type="text"> specially
- [04:16:18] <nambor>
any suggestions
- [04:16:23] <tantek>
when parsing
- [04:16:52] <tantek>
just as with img we get the text value from the alt attr, with input we could get the text value from the value attr
- [04:17:09] <nambor>
yop...that would be good
- [04:18:22] <nambor>
but operator etc. doesn't support that at the moment...is that something you'd like to add to the parsing page/discussion?
- [04:20:17] <nambor>
btw: may not just be input type="text" too
- [04:20:31] <nambor>
selects and radio buttons could be quite common
- [04:20:45] <nambor>
e.g. select for mr/mrs/ms/dr
- [04:32:23] <tantek>
nambor there has been a lot of discussion of marking up forms with microformats for these reason on the email list but AFAIK no one has yet captured the essence of the discussions on the wiki, which is unfortunate because email is much harder to search and therefore people keep unintentionally having the same discussion over and over
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- [07:17:25] <nambor>
tantek: sorry was out for a meeting
- [07:17:43] <nambor>
i'm happy to try to trawl the archives and capture/summarise what I can find
- [07:17:50] <nambor>
will keep you updated
- [07:18:44] <tantek>
i'm happy to pursue this also
- [07:19:43] <nambor>
btw: i think your suggestion about parsing for value="*" is best
- [07:20:32] <nambor>
in terms of moving forward should I add a summary page to wiki and notify the list of the link or would you like to drive this?
- [07:22:06] <tantek>
nambor, if you can drive it it would help
- [07:22:15] <tantek>
perhaps gather the relevant email threads
- [07:22:24] <tantek>
and see if you can capture it in a section on hcard-brainstorming
- [07:25:46] <nambor>
cool...no probs
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- [07:29:01] <nambor>
btw: I'm about to do a load of twiki development and i'm aiming to commit as much uf development as I can to that community...is there an area about wiki contributions on microformats.org (I didn't see one)?
- [07:41:43] <mfbot>
[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18333 * Tantek * (+722) added INPUT element handling thoughts per more semantic exceptions
- [07:42:19] <mfbot>
[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18334 * Tantek * (+24) INPUT element handling -
- [07:43:09] <tantek>
nambor, i have drafted my thoughts on INPUT handling: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#INPUT_element_handling
- [07:43:59] <tantek>
nambor, you could perhaps create a section on the /wiki/advocacy page for twiki development
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[[Template:hcard-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=18335 * AndyMabbett * (-119) rv - use "hCard implementations"
- [08:04:08] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=18336 * AndyMabbett * (-348) rv moving to "hcard implementations"
- [08:05:04] <mfbot>
[[hcard-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=18337 * AndyMabbett * (+121) New Implementations - moved from [[hCard]]
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[[events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-06-07-at-media-europe&diff=0&oldid=18338 * Tantek * (+415) added photos of attendees/audience
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- [08:23:54] <nambor>
thank tantek...will do
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[[hresume-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18339 * Et6M46 * (+0)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18340 * MLowe * (-86) New Examples -
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[[Talk:plain-old-xml-considered-harmful]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Talk:plain-old-xml-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=18341 * SgqNxg * (+0)
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=18342 * AndyMabbett * (+671) Implementations - Wikpedia Geo template
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=18343 * AndyMabbett * (-2) Implementations - tyop
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[[User talk:WebOrganics]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:WebOrganics&diff=0&oldid=18346 * Ea7Exn * (-2410)
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18352 * RobManson * (+1432) Summary and links to background discussion from mail list etc.
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tantek - you about?
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18353 * RobManson * (+151) Added broader question from the mail list
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=18354 * AndyMabbett * (-50) Implementations - update URL
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Hi
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I want to mark up U.K. National Grid References with Geo.
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Would this be a decent way to do it?
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<div class="geo">SE<abbr class="latitude" name="1.23">678</abbr><abbr class="longitude" name="-1.23>789</abbr></div>
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Or is that asking for trouble?
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mpo: i think title would be the better choice than name
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Sorry I meant title, typed it straight into IRC
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But is that considered okay? To mark up U.K. NGR north/east as latitude/longitude?
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markup look ok to me as long as you use valid lat/lon coords
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WorldPeace is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_peace and redear
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Do any web aps parse Geo?
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http://microformats.org/wiki/geo#Implementations
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Thanks
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?forgetme
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