IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-13

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  1. [00:00:15] <SignpostMarv> e.g. <abbr class="action" title="offer,rent">for rent</abbr> in the case of the car ad
  2. [00:05:00] <kingryan> I'm not that familar with hlisting
  3. [00:05:07] <kingryan> it's kinda been dead in the water for awhile
  4. [00:05:47] <SignpostMarv> from what i've seen, info in microformats is presented in one of two ways
  5. [00:06:21] <SignpostMarv> <element class="info">value</element> or <abbr class="info" title="value">human readable value</abbr>
  6. [00:07:02] <SignpostMarv> in the parking space for rent example, the listing action is in neither style
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  40. [03:21:04] <mfbot> [[User:VIAGRA]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:VIAGRA * VIAGRA * (+194)
  41. [03:23:20] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-customization]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=0&oldid=18332 * Tantek * (+455) some more on hyphenated phrases
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  49. [04:13:17] <nambor> hey all - can anyone tell me if issue "2006-12-15 raised by WizardIsHungry" on the wiki/hcard-issues page is still open? ...it's unclear from the content
  50. [04:13:35] <tantek> which issue is that?
  51. [04:14:04] <nambor> i'm just trying to work out if http://mobileonlinebusiness.com.au/uf/hCard_form.html is an acceptable work around for hCard's in an editable web form - but that issue suggests hidden content is frowned upon
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  53. [04:14:29] <tantek> hidden content *is* in general undesirable yes
  54. [04:14:42] <tantek> forms are a special case that needs special analysis
  55. [04:14:57] <tantek> ideally to enable additional scenarios
  56. [04:15:01] <nambor> does that form look like an acceptable work around?
  57. [04:15:09] <tantek> like for a browser to be able to paste an hCard into the page
  58. [04:15:11] <nambor> or is there some other discussion on that i can look at
  59. [04:15:41] <nambor> mmm...only way i can see to bind it is with javascript
  60. [04:15:48] <nambor> which makes your example problematic
  61. [04:15:53] <tantek> right it's not clear what the form is trying to do
  62. [04:16:02] <tantek> it would be better if the data could be in *one* place, in the input
  63. [04:16:15] <nambor> agreed...but I couldn't see how to do that
  64. [04:16:17] <tantek> which probably means we need to treat <input type="text"> specially
  65. [04:16:18] <nambor> any suggestions
  66. [04:16:23] <tantek> when parsing
  67. [04:16:52] <tantek> just as with img we get the text value from the alt attr, with input we could get the text value from the value attr
  68. [04:17:09] <nambor> yop...that would be good
  69. [04:18:22] <nambor> but operator etc. doesn't support that at the moment...is that something you'd like to add to the parsing page/discussion?
  70. [04:20:17] <nambor> btw: may not just be input type="text" too
  71. [04:20:31] <nambor> selects and radio buttons could be quite common
  72. [04:20:45] <nambor> e.g. select for mr/mrs/ms/dr
  73. [04:32:23] <tantek> nambor there has been a lot of discussion of marking up forms with microformats for these reason on the email list but AFAIK no one has yet captured the essence of the discussions on the wiki, which is unfortunate because email is much harder to search and therefore people keep unintentionally having the same discussion over and over
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  83. [07:17:25] <nambor> tantek: sorry was out for a meeting
  84. [07:17:43] <nambor> i'm happy to try to trawl the archives and capture/summarise what I can find
  85. [07:17:50] <nambor> will keep you updated
  86. [07:18:44] <tantek> i'm happy to pursue this also
  87. [07:19:43] <nambor> btw: i think your suggestion about parsing for value="*" is best
  88. [07:20:32] <nambor> in terms of moving forward should I add a summary page to wiki and notify the list of the link or would you like to drive this?
  89. [07:22:06] <tantek> nambor, if you can drive it it would help
  90. [07:22:15] <tantek> perhaps gather the relevant email threads
  91. [07:22:24] <tantek> and see if you can capture it in a section on hcard-brainstorming
  92. [07:25:46] <nambor> cool...no probs
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  94. [07:29:01] <nambor> btw: I'm about to do a load of twiki development and i'm aiming to commit as much uf development as I can to that community...is there an area about wiki contributions on microformats.org (I didn't see one)?
  95. [07:41:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18333 * Tantek * (+722) added INPUT element handling thoughts per more semantic exceptions
  96. [07:42:19] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18334 * Tantek * (+24) INPUT element handling -
  97. [07:43:09] <tantek> nambor, i have drafted my thoughts on INPUT handling: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#INPUT_element_handling
  98. [07:43:59] <tantek> nambor, you could perhaps create a section on the /wiki/advocacy page for twiki development
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  101. [08:01:22] <mfbot> [[Template:hcard-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=18335 * AndyMabbett * (-119) rv - use "hCard implementations"
  102. [08:04:08] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=18336 * AndyMabbett * (-348) rv moving to "hcard implementations"
  103. [08:05:04] <mfbot> [[hcard-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=18337 * AndyMabbett * (+121) New Implementations - moved from [[hCard]]
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  109. [08:23:54] <nambor> thank tantek...will do
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  161. [13:18:58] <nambor> tantek - you about?
  162. [13:25:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18353 * RobManson * (+151) Added broader question from the mail list
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  218. [17:37:31] <mpo[1]> Hi
  219. [17:38:10] <mpo[1]> I want to mark up U.K. National Grid References with Geo.
  220. [17:42:35] <mpo[1]> Would this be a decent way to do it?
  221. [17:42:37] <mpo[1]> <div class="geo">SE<abbr class="latitude" name="1.23">678</abbr><abbr class="longitude" name="-1.23>789</abbr></div>
  222. [17:42:57] <mpo[1]> Or is that asking for trouble?
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  225. [17:43:50] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  226. [17:46:52] <nambor> mpo: i think title would be the better choice than name
  227. [17:47:55] <mpo[1]> Sorry I meant title, typed it straight into IRC
  228. [17:48:39] <mpo[1]> But is that considered okay? To mark up U.K. NGR north/east as latitude/longitude?
  229. [17:50:48] <nambor> markup look ok to me as long as you use valid lat/lon coords
  230. [17:50:49] <jibot> WorldPeace is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_peace and redear
  231. [17:55:17] <mpo[1]> Do any web aps parse Geo?
  232. [17:56:56] <nambor> http://microformats.org/wiki/geo#Implementations
  233. [17:58:03] <mpo[1]> Thanks
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