IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-18

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  1. [00:05:52] * Leif (n=leif_sto@charger.intuit.com) has joined #microformats
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  3. [00:08:55] <Leif> Is Rob Manson here?
  4. [00:09:03] <nambor> hiya Leif
  5. [00:09:37] <Leif> Ah! You're backwards. ;)
  6. [00:09:49] <nambor> yep...and upside down in Australia too
  7. [00:09:56] <Leif> haha
  8. [00:10:25] <Leif> What time is it there?
  9. [00:10:32] <nambor> 10am
  10. [00:10:38] <nambor> where are you?
  11. [00:10:39] <Leif> not too bad then
  12. [00:10:50] <Leif> Silicon Valley
  13. [00:11:00] <nambor> k...what time is that then?
  14. [00:11:04] <Leif> It's 5 PM here
  15. [00:11:14] <nambor> ah...quite civilized then
  16. [00:11:15] <Leif> I'm probably leaving for the gym within the hour
  17. [00:11:27] <nambor> i should go for a run too 8)
  18. [00:11:37] <nambor> so...did that overall model make sense to you?
  19. [00:11:58] <nambor> i'm just trying to work out how to fit all the pieces together for our own use
  20. [00:11:59] <Leif> Thought I'd join you here first to help you fend off the undoubtedly intense arguments that would fly around. :)
  21. [00:12:07] <nambor> ;)
  22. [00:12:29] * nambor tries to avoid mentioning img and alt tags
  23. [00:12:38] <Leif> Yeah, I really like that you are thinking about the bigger picture.
  24. [00:13:13] <Leif> haha; I tried to look into the img/alt discussion but decided it was too much...
  25. [00:14:00] <nambor> so I think it would be great if our users could just import their receipts into intuit's (or similar) apps using hReceipt
  26. [00:14:27] <nambor> and the whole commerce domain seems pretty stable to me - i mean it's been around for thousands of years
  27. [00:14:55] <nambor> so would be good if we could develop a bit of a "whole domain" agenda as a community
  28. [00:15:47] <Leif> by "whole domain", do you mean thinking bigger (commerce) as opposed to just single formats (receipts etc.)?
  29. [00:16:17] <nambor> yeah...as an aside to receipts...but i think receipts is something that could be started right away too - so in parallel
  30. [00:16:37] <Leif> Yeah, I'd love to see that happen.
  31. [00:16:39] <nambor> i just got thinking after i read joe's proposal in the thread you re-surfaced
  32. [00:16:46] <Leif> Is Quicken used a lot in Australia?
  33. [00:16:56] <nambor> yeah it is
  34. [00:17:02] <nambor> but myob has a lot of traction
  35. [00:17:10] <mfbot> [[User:EranGloben]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:EranGloben&diff=0&oldid=18455 * EranGloben * (+28) [http://hellonline.com/index.html Eran Globen] -
  36. [00:18:06] <nambor> joe's proposal was great but things like package etc. seemed a bit specific
  37. [00:18:21] <mfbot> [[User:Kragen]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Kragen * Kragen * (+25)
  38. [00:18:25] <nambor> and something like hDelivery using hEvents could encompass products and services
  39. [00:19:06] <nambor> does anyone here know if the wiki supports dot diagrams automatically?
  40. [00:19:12] <tantek> nambor, it can get confusing to use names for things that don't exist
  41. [00:19:30] <nambor> you mean my h* comments - sure - sorry
  42. [00:19:31] <tantek> you may want to consider stating say "a delivery microformat" rather than hDelivery
  43. [00:19:36] <tantek> since there is not such thing as hDelivery
  44. [00:19:42] <nambor> fair cop
  45. [00:19:45] <tantek> and we don't want to mislead folks into thinking there is
  46. [00:20:00] <tantek> and there is no hEvent either for example
  47. [00:20:05] <tantek> but there are hCalendar events
  48. [00:20:19] <nambor> sorry...meant hCalendar too
  49. [00:20:26] <nambor> was thinking of the event part of that
  50. [00:20:35] <tantek> no problem at all, just that we tend to be sticklers about naming and use of names ;)
  51. [00:20:35] * nambor needs a coffee
  52. [00:20:50] <nambor> agreed
  53. [00:20:58] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
  54. [00:21:03] <nambor> tantek - what are your thoughts on this space?
  55. [00:21:09] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles
  56. [00:21:28] <Leif> Package may have been a bit specific, but line items is something we would be interested in including from the outset.
  57. [00:21:48] <tantek> Leif, there should be nothing you want to include from the outset per se
  58. [00:21:56] <tantek> the key should be, wanting to solve a specific problem
  59. [00:22:01] <tantek> rather than include any specific feature
  60. [00:22:23] <tantek> i strongly suggest reading through http://microformats.org/wiki/process
  61. [00:22:44] <Leif> Yeah, I'm trying to follow it. Sorry for the lapse.
  62. [00:22:45] <tantek> nambor, to answer your question, i do think there is a lot of potential for solving various problems of receipts and expense processing using microformats
  63. [00:23:11] <tantek> no problem Leif. more important than the process per se is probably the methodology behind it
  64. [00:23:18] <tantek> of being very scientific about the effort
  65. [00:23:31] <Leif> Yes, that's something I like about the process.
  66. [00:23:32] <tantek> gathering data to determine a conclusion
  67. [00:23:41] <tantek> rather than looking for data to prove a conclusion
  68. [00:23:53] <nambor> great - i think Leif and I (sorry if I put words in your mouth) are just trying to discuss the space in general as an aid to starting on the process
  69. [00:24:09] <nambor> since we're both pretty much soaking in the problem space
  70. [00:24:10] <nambor> 8)
  71. [00:24:33] <tantek> well, FWIW, "expense reports" have been on my to-do list for quite some time: http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#new_microformat_requests
  72. [00:24:49] * nambor reading
  73. [00:25:06] <Leif> Yeah. What I was thinking was that the problem of analyzing expenses might require line items as a solution.
  74. [00:25:37] <tantek> but note that for me, new microformats are lower in priority to resolving issues with current microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#overall_priority_ordering , so i may be able to best act as guide here, and not an active participant in your discussions per se.
  75. [00:25:55] <nambor> tantek - in relation to the process - my thoughts are it might be useful to map out the general commerce artefacts/model before we start gathering examples
  76. [00:25:57] <Leif> that's great too
  77. [00:26:04] <nambor> understood
  78. [00:26:23] <Leif> oops, my comment was directed at tantek
  79. [00:26:32] <tantek> thank Leif.
  80. [00:26:37] <tantek> nambor, yes, that might be useful as part of a problem statement
  81. [00:26:51] <tantek> perhaps the key here is to start a "commerce" page
  82. [00:26:54] <nambor> cool - and Leif - I was responding to tantek too 8)
  83. [00:27:24] <nambor> tantek - agreed - I gave a 24hr notice period on the new mailing list for objections
  84. [00:27:25] <tantek> where you can map out the general commerce artefacts/*scenarios* (not model)
  85. [00:27:46] <tantek> it's actually really important to NOT jump to a model
  86. [00:27:55] <tantek> examples and evidence BEFORE model
  87. [00:28:06] <tantek> gather data before forming a hypothesis as it were
  88. [00:28:22] <nambor> ok...but i think that's just a semantic difference as I see a list of artefacts as a model - but that's just me 8)
  89. [00:28:43] <tantek> yes, that's a good criticism of a list of artifacts
  90. [00:28:44] <nambor> just not a formalised model
  91. [00:28:53] <tantek> hence focusing on problem statement and scenarios first
  92. [00:29:00] <nambor> absolutely agreed
  93. [00:29:13] <tantek> lists and models should absolutely be postponed
  94. [00:29:17] <mfbot> [[User:JohnAllsopp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JohnAllsopp&diff=0&oldid=18456 * JohnAllsopp * (+27)
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  96. [00:30:04] <nambor> tantek - I also think that receipts are a discreet enough element that they could be addressed in parallel - what are your thoughts?
  97. [00:30:18] <nambor> certainly in terms of example gathering
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  100. [00:31:28] <tantek> nambor yes, web based receipts are prevalent enough to gather examples
  101. [00:31:45] <tantek> most e-commerce sites AFAIK provide ways to login and view previous purchases which are essentially receipts
  102. [00:32:01] <nambor> yep - afaik too
  103. [00:32:05] <nambor> so Leif
  104. [00:32:15] <nambor> let's give it 24 hours for feedback and objections
  105. [00:32:32] <nambor> i think scott's post mirrors what tantek just pointed out about naming
  106. [00:32:46] <Leif> Agreed.
  107. [00:32:47] <nambor> and then if all is good let's start the example gathering pages for commerce and receipts
  108. [00:32:51] <nambor> cool
  109. [00:33:16] <nambor> nice talking to you all 8) - i'm off to get a coffee
  110. [00:33:32] <Leif> I'm glad to find support for this project! Bye.
  111. [00:34:29] <tantek> nambor and Leif, please consider contributing under the Public Domain
  112. [00:34:38] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/Category:public_domain_license
  113. [00:35:01] <nambor> tantek - absolutely
  114. [00:35:07] <Leif> Me too.
  115. [00:35:51] <tantek> thanks gentlemen (pardon the statistically based sexist assumption of your gender)
  116. [00:37:26] <Leif> Thank you too. In my case statistics did not lie. ;)
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  119. [00:43:09] <Leif> I'm heading out soon.
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  124. [01:01:23] <nambor> tantek - did you see my questions earlier about dot diagrams?
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  126. [01:03:31] <tantek> nambor, not sure what you mean by a dot diagram
  127. [01:05:27] <nambor> ah k - dot diagrams are a common format using GraphViz tools on linux/unix
  128. [01:05:28] <nambor> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/05/06/graphviz_dot.html
  129. [01:05:55] <nambor> some wiki engines support this natively - otherwise i can just add graphics
  130. [01:06:13] <nambor> but i guess i'll have to ref them to my server as upload is disabled (for obvious reasons)
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  183. [06:44:15] <nambor> tantek/sreynen - on the topic of extending existing formats, did you have any further thoughts on the uF and forms info I updated on wiki as requested (see: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#INPUT_element_handling)
  184. [06:46:25] <tantek> nambor, I personally would like to add the <input type="text" value="..." /> clarification ASAP
  185. [06:46:37] <tantek> but beyond that haven't thought about it much
  186. [06:46:54] <nambor> ok...input would be a great start
  187. [06:47:17] <nambor> did you see my comment/issue about some of the current parsers though?
  188. [06:47:24] <nambor> this is not so much a format issue
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  190. [06:57:21] <nambor> tantek - is there a documented process for amending existing standards (e.g adding <input type="text" value="..." />)?
  191. [06:58:07] <tantek> nambor, it depends on whether it was something that was simply forgotten to document, or an actual change.
  192. [06:58:34] <nambor> ok
  193. [06:59:01] <tantek> in this case i am leaning towards the "i forgot to document this", because i did think i had covered all the special case elements
  194. [06:59:20] <nambor> btw: did you mean <input type="text" class="given-name" name="first_name" /> (e.g. class defn within the input field? wasn't quite clear from your comment)
  195. [06:59:36] <nambor> fair enough for the last point
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  197. [07:03:59] <tantek> nambor yes but to apply to any text property, not just given-name
  198. [07:04:10] <nambor> yes...of course 8)
  199. [07:04:45] <nambor> would that include type="hidden" too (as that's parallel to type="text")
  200. [07:07:25] <tantek> that's a good question.
  201. [07:07:42] <tantek> because in terms of simplicity, i would say yes
  202. [07:07:58] <tantek> but in terms of discouraging hidden data, i would say no
  203. [07:08:53] <nambor> also - andy moved my vCard to hCard contribution to the hcard-implementations page - however I created that in response to the to-do list. I wrote it as javascript so it could be put in the code section - but ryan king said i should host it on my own server (I was trying to avoid this so it was a tool that belonged to the community - not my site). are there any guidelines on this type of contribution as now i'm confused
  204. [07:09:29] <tantek> it is technically an implementation yes
  205. [07:09:49] <nambor> so how does that differ from the hCard creator?
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  207. [07:10:04] <nambor> e.g. what is the /code section for then
  208. [07:10:17] <tantek> it's for open source code for microformats
  209. [07:10:30] <nambor> and how does one contribute to that
  210. [07:10:38] <tantek> now *that* is a good question
  211. [07:10:54] <tantek> perhaps consider creating a page to track that
  212. [07:10:54] <nambor> the vCard to hCard converter I created was released under GPL (see the code)
  213. [07:10:58] <nambor> 8)
  214. [07:11:10] <tantek> like /wiki/code-issues
  215. [07:11:15] <nambor> ok...not trying to be difficult - just trying to understand how I contribute
  216. [07:11:21] <nambor> will do
  217. [07:13:05] <tantek> nambor, i know, i'm not implying you are being difficult, i just don't have an answer right this second but want to make sure your question is captured and not forgotten.
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  219. [07:13:36] <nambor> 8) wasn't implying you implied - just wanting to be clear 8)
  220. [07:13:49] <nambor> ok
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  279. [15:04:12] <mkaply> can LABEL in vcard have more than one occurrence?
  280. [15:05:10] <mkaply> Also, does anyone know if in vcard it should be UTF-8 or utf-8
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  283. [15:07:36] <sreynen> FYI, Microsoft is looking for a program manager to help integrate microformats (among other things) into IE: http://members.microsoft.com/careers/search/details.aspx?JobID=D210C5AE-47C8-48F2-AADA-D3D35549C1CA
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  285. [15:10:57] <mkaply> intersting
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  288. [15:12:36] <briansuda> mkaply, i´d say you can have multiple labels, but i can´t find a reference in the RFC at the moment
  289. [15:13:24] <WilleRaab> mkaply: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties <- label isn't there, at leas.t
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  291. [15:13:57] <WilleRaab> Speaking of hCard, btw, is there any thoughts of how to include instant messaging in another way than using 'url' ?
  292. [15:14:29] <briansuda> there is an RFC proposal for IMPP
  293. [15:14:36] <briansuda> you can always use a NOTE as well
  294. [15:14:38] <mkaply> briansuda: X2V isn't picking up all the labels on http://www.plaxo.com/add_me?n=joseph
  295. [15:14:53] <briansuda> mkaply, as for UTF or utf.... i found your answer
  296. [15:15:04] <briansuda> i had to pop up several RFCs
  297. [15:15:07] <mkaply> The invalid ADR on Plaxo pages are going to drive me crazy
  298. [15:15:12] <briansuda> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt
  299. [15:15:28] <briansuda> Unlike some other parameter values, the values of the charset parameter are NOT case sensitive.
  300. [15:15:34] <WilleRaab> Yeah, seen the RFC, and on the wiki there's a suggestion (in examples, i think) that "url" shoud be used combined with the 'protocol' declaration, for example msnim:willeraab@hotmail.com
  301. [15:15:54] <WilleRaab> But that's not a very good sollution.. :-/
  302. [15:16:08] <briansuda> WilleRaab have a look at http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2779.txt
  303. [15:16:39] <mkaply> briansuda: I was trying to decide if I should switch to utf-8 from UTF-8 so It will look mor elike yours
  304. [15:17:10] <nambor> The TYPE parameter values can include "dom" to indicate a domestic delivery label; "intl" to indicate an international delivery label; "postal" to indicate a postal delivery label; "parcel" to indicate a parcel delivery label; "home" to indicate a delivery label for a residence; "work" to indicate delivery label for a place of work; and "pref" to indicate the preferred delivery label when more than one label is
  305. [15:17:52] <briansuda> mkaply, it is not case-sensitive, so it is up to you
  306. [15:18:08] <mkaply> I think I like my uppercase :)
  307. [15:18:13] <briansuda> plaxo also seems to have LABEL in places it shouldn´t
  308. [15:18:23] <briansuda> <td class="label type" valign="top">work</td>
  309. [15:18:55] <WilleRaab> ok, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc4770.html was the one i read.
  310. [15:19:21] <mkaply> briansuda: yeah, I wasn't sure what they were going for there, but I pick up all the labels
  311. [15:19:54] <briansuda> i´ll have a look at why X2V isn´t pulling LABEL, i might have implemented it at all yet?
  312. [15:20:07] <mkaply> briansuda: it pulls label, just the first one
  313. [15:20:13] <briansuda> we need to go back to the HG test cases and add more
  314. [15:20:27] <mkaply> the other question plaxo had was if NOTEs should be concatenated or multiple NOTEs in the vcard
  315. [15:20:34] <mkaply> We both concatenate
  316. [15:20:36] <briansuda> ah, i probably never "upgraded" LABEL to the new XSL templates
  317. [15:21:05] <briansuda> Yeah, NOTES is a strange one, i can´t remember exactly why we do that
  318. [15:21:21] <briansuda> a NOTE concatted is the same as many NOTES
  319. [15:21:43] <briansuda> whereas multiple LABELS concat is not the same...
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  325. [15:39:16] * briansuda notes that RDFa has also not taken on the issue of child elements not specifically marked-up as data to be considered
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  336. [16:41:23] <tantek> mkaply, you said: "The invalid ADR on Plaxo pages are going to drive me crazy" - please add any URLs you find with invalid hCards to: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild#Examples_with_some_problems
  337. [16:41:49] <tantek> so that we can capture/document the fact that those problems exist so that other implementers (and publishers for that matter) know about it.
  338. [16:42:11] <mkaply> I'm not sure plaxo can fix it. They know
  339. [16:42:24] <mkaply> they don't store street/city/state in their data apparently
  340. [16:43:30] <tantek> whether or not they can fix it, the problem should be documented
  341. [16:43:51] <tantek> so that anyone else coming across those hCards hopefully doesn't get confused
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  343. [16:44:12] <tantek> WilleRaab, why do you dislike using URLs for IM addresses?
  344. [16:44:58] <tantek> mkaply, briansuda, NOTE is concatenated per hcard-parsing
  345. [16:45:30] <mkaply> tantek: But does the VCARD allow multiple NOTEs?
  346. [16:45:48] <WilleRaab> tantek: Since it makes, if i havn't missunderstood, it not optional what to have as a URL. If I for example want a link to a web-to-msn-page, i can't use that link as a hcard.
  347. [16:46:22] <WilleRaab> At least if i read the examples right...(?)
  348. [16:47:25] <WilleRaab> It deamands to use the "protocol", which is something that we can quite much count on that ppl can't use... So it makes me put links ppl won't be able to use on the page..
  349. [16:47:26] <tantek> mkaply, when Ryan King and I did a strict reading of RFC2426, it didn't appear that NOTE was singular
  350. [16:47:34] <tantek> thus it is not listed in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties
  351. [16:47:53] <mkaply> So why is Note concatenated instead of multiple NOTE:
  352. [16:48:19] <tantek> however, when Brian Suda and I were original constructing the parsing rules by both reading the spec and marking up various documents, it made much more sense to allow authors to markup several chunks of text as a NOTE and have them concatenated, rather than have them show up as multiple NOTEs.
  353. [16:48:26] <tantek> this was something we learned in practice
  354. [16:48:29] <mkaply> k
  355. [16:48:35] <tantek> back in 2004-2005
  356. [16:48:56] * tantek still has a lot of documentation to do of what he and Brian Suda learned back then.
  357. [16:50:19] <tantek> WilleRaab, what's a link to a web-to-msn-page - I don't think I have seen or heard of that before.
  358. [16:50:26] <tantek> Could you provide an example?
  359. [16:50:34] <tantek> perhaps an hCard with one in it?
  360. [16:50:56] <WilleRaab> hm, maybe MSN doesn't even have it. :-D I know ICQ does.
  361. [16:51:15] <WilleRaab> SImply put, a form that allow you to send messages from a webpage to a IM agent.
  362. [16:51:21] <tantek> using the protocol for IM addresses is one way we have found so far to do it that "works" from a user perspective, there may be others, and I think we're willing to add more if there is user benefit.
  363. [16:51:51] <tantek> either way (MSN or ICQ), if you could provide a URL to an example that we could look at it would help provide a case for it.
  364. [16:52:02] <WilleRaab> But no matter what - it's still possible to want to use the href for something else than that specific purpose. By demanding the href to be of a specific typ one is limiting hcard.
  365. [16:52:27] <tantek> it's not a limitation, it's an enablement
  366. [16:52:33] <tantek> before there was no way to markup an IM address
  367. [16:52:39] <tantek> now there is at least this way
  368. [16:52:40] <WilleRaab> Wouldn't it be better to allow for class "url" along with "[IM-name]"
  369. [16:53:00] <tantek> and in the wild, people already have pages with IM URLs
  370. [16:53:12] <tantek> thus it made sense to markup the data people were already publishing
  371. [16:53:29] <tantek> so unless you have a URL to an example of what you are talking about, no, it wouldn't be better
  372. [16:53:36] <WilleRaab> Ok, yeah, in that perspective it's surely enablement, what I mean is that it's forcing web developers to use a special kind of link or not use hcard for the IM at all. Or, perhaps, include the IM in two links.
  373. [16:53:49] <tantek> it's not forcing anything
  374. [16:54:08] <tantek> especially if you don't provide a URL to what alternatives you're trying to discuss
  375. [16:54:19] <nambor> if it's a web IM client then it would probably be http://imurl?user_id
  376. [16:54:30] <WilleRaab> http://www.icq.com/people/about_me.php?to=5389478
  377. [16:54:44] <WilleRaab> ^^That's an exaple of a link on a icq-number. That's standard in phpBB.
  378. [16:55:28] <WilleRaab> And on that same page, you'll find links to "Send message to Wille's ICQ without using your own ICQ"
  379. [16:55:34] <tantek> that page looks like a good candidate for hCard
  380. [16:56:14] <WilleRaab> (haha, yeah, for sure...)
  381. [16:56:24] <tantek> could you add it as an example of icq.com to be marked up with hCard to http://microformats.org/wiki/advocacy ?
  382. [16:58:08] <WilleRaab> Sure.
  383. [16:58:44] <tantek> is there an ICQ URL scheme, or does one simply use AIM: ?
  384. [16:59:37] <WilleRaab> I'm afraid i don't have the slightest idea. :-/
  385. [17:00:09] <nambor> isn't the http://www.icq.com part just like an extended version of protocol://? And now there are a lot of web apps that aggregate multiple IM services too...
  386. [17:00:22] <WilleRaab> Te links they have to open message-sending using ICQ from a webpage all seem to use HTTP and directly to a PHP-script on the server.
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  388. [17:01:24] <tantek> yeah I got a "downloading PHP" on my browser
  389. [17:01:34] <tantek> so they have something wrong with their web server config
  390. [17:01:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=18489 * WilleRaab * (+125) Online Profiles - --> added ICQ
  391. [17:02:31] <WilleRaab> tantek: do you have ICQ installed?
  392. [17:02:55] <tantek> I do not - I just use Adium
  393. [17:03:03] <WilleRaab> My FF recognize it as an ICQ-skript (but prompts me to download or open w icq).
  394. [17:03:18] <WilleRaab> So my guess is that they're using some content-type they've made up or something.. mh..
  395. [17:03:44] <tantek> rather than a URL scheme
  396. [17:03:49] <WilleRaab> yeah. application/x-icq
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  398. [17:04:06] <tantek> ah ok, that's sufficient to fix this
  399. [17:04:34] <WilleRaab> They always seem to use uin=[icq number] in their link addresses, dunno if that's of any use for anything...
  400. [17:05:56] <tantek> currently we don't have a suggested way to markup ICQ addresses in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info
  401. [17:06:01] <tantek> so now we can document this one
  402. [17:08:00] <WilleRaab> hm... It'd be cool if popular webforums used hcard on their profiles.
  403. [17:09:28] <tantek> indeed!
  404. [17:09:36] <tantek> feel free to add any that you find to the advocacy page
  405. [17:10:00] <WilleRaab> =)
  406. [17:10:05] <WilleRaab> Thinking of where to put it...
  407. [17:10:07] <WilleRaab> :-D
  408. [17:12:50] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=18490 * Tantek * (+217) added how to markup ICQ contact info
  409. [17:13:31] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=18491 * Tantek * (-3)
  410. [17:13:57] <tantek> WillieRaab, take a look: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#ICQ
  411. [17:14:40] <WilleRaab> Sweet. :)
  412. [17:14:57] <tantek> Thanks for providing the URL to a real world example, it really helped to drive the solution.
  413. [17:15:32] <tantek> and scope it for that matter, as solving this problem specifically for ICQ was of course easier than some generic solution.
  414. [17:16:47] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=18492 * Tantek * (+2) Site profiles -
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  417. [17:22:31] <WilleRaab> Hm... Yahoo! used to have a messenger from webform to IM-agent. Can't find it now though. :-(
  418. [17:23:00] <WilleRaab> http://messenger.yahoo.com/edit/send/?.target=wille_raab&.src=pg <-- is this page not working?
  419. [17:23:07] <WilleRaab> I just get an empty page.
  420. [17:23:23] <WilleRaab> (hehe, sry for my crappy English..)
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  423. [17:32:26] <tantek> WillieRaab, no problem. When you get it working, perhaps you can publish an example of it inside an hCard of your own
  424. [17:32:40] <tantek> you can use your User page on the wiki for this as well
  425. [17:33:41] <tantek> please also consider http://microformats.org/wiki/Category:public_domain_license
  426. [17:35:49] <mfbot> [[User:WilleRaab]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WilleRaab * WilleRaab * (+25)
  427. [17:35:57] <WilleRaab> Good thing.
  428. [17:36:27] <WilleRaab> (hehe, i wan't "copyleft" to be present in unicode...
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  433. [17:47:47] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=18495 * Tantek * (+794) added Satisfaction and Dopplr as concrete examples, jowyang twitter
  434. [17:48:13] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=18496 * Joe.Osowski * (+30) Real-World Examples -
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  438. [17:57:29] <mfbot> [[Example Receipts]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Example_Receipts * Joe.Osowski * (+61195)
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  444. [18:14:05] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=18499 * ManuSporny * (+2) Receipts -
  445. [18:16:41] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=18500 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[hcard]] into the public domain.
  446. [18:17:27] <mfbot> [[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=18501 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[citation]] into the public domain.
  447. [18:24:39] <mfbot> [[rel-license]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license&diff=0&oldid=18502 * Tantek * (+79) remove MicroformatCopyrightStatement template and replace with explicit public domain release.
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  449. [18:26:46] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=18504 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[vote-links]] into the public domain.
  450. [18:27:27] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=18505 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[hcalendar]] into the public domain.
  451. [18:28:18] <mfbot> [[rel-nofollow]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-nofollow&diff=0&oldid=18506 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[rel-nofollow]] into the public domain.
  452. [18:28:49] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=18507 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[hatom]] into the public domain.
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  454. [18:29:41] <mfbot> [[adr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr&diff=0&oldid=18509 * Tantek * (+80) remove MicroformatCopyrightStatement template and replace with explicit public domain release.
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  456. [18:31:28] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=18511 * Tantek * (+154) explicitly release my contributions to [[hreview]] into the public domain.
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  475. [19:53:47] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=18515 * TrevorAtGc * (-311) moved issue to vcard suggestions
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  526. [21:42:44] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=18522 * Lastorset * (+364) Receipts - added information from my examples
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  566. [23:37:01] <mfbot> [[intl]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/intl * Tantek * (+34)
  567. [23:38:42] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=18528 * Tantek * (+1) renamed int to intl since int typically means "integer" in common programming parlance and intl is a much more conventional abbr for international(ization)
  568. [23:42:03] <mfbot> [[shortcuts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=shortcuts&diff=0&oldid=18529 * Tantek * (+43)
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