IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-23

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  15. [02:13:30] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=18660 * ManuSporny * (+1716) Step 1: Determine if a New Microformat is Needed -
  16. [02:14:56] <mfbot> [[NewMicroformatHowto]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=NewMicroformatHowto&diff=0&oldid=18661 * ManuSporny * (+63) Step 1: Determine if a New Microformat is Needed -
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  87. [14:28:57] <mfbot> [[User:RobertBachmann]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:RobertBachmann&diff=0&oldid=18664 * RobertBachmann * (-340)
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  105. [15:37:52] <mfbot> [[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=18666 * TekeTen * (+55) References -
  106. [15:40:38] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/twitternanoformats * TekeTen * (+4959)
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  108. [15:54:24] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18667 * TekeTen * (+182)
  109. [15:54:45] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18668 * TekeTen * (-2) Twitter (or Jaiku) picoformats proposal -
  110. [15:56:26] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18669 * TekeTen * (-41) Some apps supporting some kind of nanoformat -
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  114. [15:58:13] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18671 * TekeTen * (+34) Twitter (or Jaiku) picoformats proposal -
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  116. [16:06:20] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18672 * TekeTen * (+2) 3nanoformats (syntax:param:param) -
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  118. [16:08:41] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18673 * TekeTen * (+75) Use examples -
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  149. [19:04:33] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=18675 * Lastorset * (+448) Receipts - new samples awaiting upload
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  171. [21:12:21] <mkaply> tantek: So if someone puts a microformat class on a textarea, what is the right thing to do? Looking at the DOM APIs, textContent seems to give the text of the textarea when created, not its current contents
  172. [21:12:27] <mkaply> Should I be smarter?
  173. [21:12:56] <tantek> greetings
  174. [21:13:11] <tantek> interesting
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  177. [21:13:27] <tantek> yes there is the general question of how to parse microformats on form elements
  178. [21:13:36] <tantek> which i simply neglected to document
  179. [21:13:38] <tantek> (my bad)
  180. [21:13:43] <tantek> so my straw thoughts are
  181. [21:13:56] <tantek> for <input> elements, use the 'value' attribute as the value of the property
  182. [21:14:12] <tantek> er, make that for <input type="text"> specifically
  183. [21:14:24] <tantek> for <textarea> as well i think
  184. [21:14:45] <tantek> because i believe that the textContent doesn't change (it's what was sent with the page), but the actual value is set in the "value" attribute
  185. [21:14:53] <tantek> i could be wrong - you should double check
  186. [21:15:09] <mkaply> Nope, I think you are right.
  187. [21:15:26] <mkaply> I can't update the UI as they change stuff though. That would get a little icky
  188. [21:15:31] <mkaply> Like I use fn for the menuitems
  189. [21:15:42] <mkaply> And if fn were tied to an entry field, I wouldn't update the UI when it was changed
  190. [21:15:46] <mkaply> But I would export the current value
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  200. [21:45:00] <tantek> mkaply, OT1H, having defined parsing rules for form elements simply helps hCard parsing be thorough and well specified
  201. [21:45:17] <tantek> OTOH it also opens the door for forms auto-fill of hCards
  202. [21:45:31] <mkaply> true. And I know there are DB interfaces that are all textarea/entryfields.
  203. [21:45:35] <tantek> so if you go to a site that needs your contact info for something, say an ecommerce site for checkout
  204. [21:45:44] <tantek> and if the form fields are marked up with hCard semantics
  205. [21:45:52] <mkaply> I'll probably special case textarea/textfields in Operator so that the values are not stored, they are always computed on the fly
  206. [21:45:56] <tantek> then perhaps we could consider having that mean "insert hCard here"
  207. [21:46:02] <tantek> which operator could detect
  208. [21:46:14] <tantek> and let you "pre-fill" with *your* hCard info
  209. [21:46:26] <tantek> and then all of a sudden we have a standard for forms auto-fill
  210. [21:47:14] <tantek> rather than all the hacks that have gone into browsers since 1999 (starting with IE4.5/Mac which I'm pretty sure was the first to do forms auto-fill of an entire form with a single button press - not just auto-complete of each form field individually)
  211. [21:47:35] <tantek> obviously this would make sense to build into *existing* forms auto-fill features in Firefox and IE
  212. [21:47:41] <tantek> and any other browsers that support it
  213. [21:47:46] <tantek> and this way new sites could simply conform to the standard
  214. [21:48:02] <tantek> rather than depend on hacks which parse label values etc. and imply things and get them wrong sometimes
  215. [21:48:23] <tantek> and hCard annotated form inputs would also be more international,
  216. [21:48:28] <mkaply> good point.
  217. [21:48:46] <tantek> thus avoiding the need for each browser to guess what is the "name" and "telephone" field in every language
  218. [21:49:04] <tantek> so they can do forms auto-fill on any site regardless of language, not just English
  219. [21:52:56] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18677 * SergioSantos * (+108) New Examples -
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  221. [21:57:48] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18678 * Tantek * (-39) collapse two separate parsing sections into one
  222. [21:58:09] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18679 * Tantek * (+13)
  223. [21:58:20] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18680 * Tantek * (-4)
  224. [21:58:43] <tantek> mkaply, see http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#INPUT_element_handling for previous discussion on INPUT element handling
  225. [21:58:52] <tantek> I will add what I wrote above in IRC also so it doesn't get lost
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  228. [22:05:17] <mkaply> tantek: but when you say "use value" you mean, use the current value that is in the field, not what "value" was set to when the field was loaded
  229. [22:08:18] <tantek> mkaply, excellent question
  230. [22:08:29] <tantek> which do you think it should be? (I have my guess, but I want your opinion)
  231. [22:08:56] <mkaply> I think it should be the current value. Because I like the idea that I can have a page that I update interactively and export an hcard/vcard that is exactly what is on screen
  232. [22:11:08] <tantek> ok, makes sense
  233. [22:11:16] <tantek> for *interactive* useragents then right?
  234. [22:11:22] <tantek> (w3c terminology ;) )
  235. [22:12:12] <mkaply> yes. For interactive useragents
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  237. [22:19:12] <tantek> excellent
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  240. [22:28:40] <luur> hey guys, im new to microformats, but before knowing about this i was drafting up a sort of a standard for Events in XML
  241. [22:28:49] * mefisto|w is now known as mefisto
  242. [22:29:25] <luur> by events i mean things like concerts, plays, etc
  243. [22:30:13] <luur> hCalender seems to be doing this, but its missing some key things
  244. [22:31:27] <mkaply> luur: what's it missing?
  245. [22:34:24] <luur> well a few things
  246. [22:35:05] <luur> im trying work out some of the semantics
  247. [22:35:27] <luur> but more importantly I want it to be used
  248. [22:35:52] <luur> is microformats the way to go?
  249. [22:36:12] <luur> i heard that firefox 3 will be supporting it
  250. [22:38:54] <mkaply> Well, we're doing something in Firefox 3 for microformats.
  251. [22:39:23] <mkaply> I think microformats is the way to go. Sites like upcoming.org already use it for events
  252. [22:40:11] <luur> interesting
  253. [22:41:46] <luur> mkaply: http://yz2zy.com/events.xml
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  255. [22:42:23] <mkaply> so vevent doesn't have ticket price. But the rest could be pretty well contained
  256. [22:42:34] <mkaply> and min age
  257. [22:43:00] <luur> artist?
  258. [22:43:17] <luur> or tags, also does it specify end time?
  259. [22:43:32] <kingryan> you can use attendee or artist
  260. [22:43:41] <kingryan> and yes it does specify end time
  261. [22:43:51] <kingryan> s/or/for/
  262. [22:43:58] * mkaply has to run. Lots of fokls to answer Qs here
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  264. [22:45:23] <luur> interesting
  265. [22:45:39] <luur> kingryan: does how does artist work
  266. [22:46:09] <kingryan> by using ATTENDEE from icalendar
  267. [22:48:38] <luur> how are hCalendar and vEvent related?
  268. [22:48:38] <luur> are they the same ?
  269. [22:49:21] <tantek> luur, "vevent" is one of the class names used by hCalendar
  270. [22:49:42] <luur> ?
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  272. [22:52:30] <luur> so hCalender parents vCalender parents vEvent ?
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  274. [23:08:12] <tantek> luur, what do you mean by parents?
  275. [23:08:33] <tantek> perhaps start with reading the spec http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar and ask specific questions about anything there you don't understand
  276. [23:08:47] <luur> good idea :D
  277. [23:09:04] <tantek> and reference the section/text which you don't understand and I'll do my best to both answer your question and hopefully improve the text in the spec as well
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  279. [23:20:39] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=18681 * RobManson * (+40) Fixed up URL type
  280. [23:22:50] <tantek> luur, for things like ticket price, that sounds more like a listing of an item for sale, where the item is an event. take a look that the hListing draft/proposal
  281. [23:22:54] <tantek> at the
  282. [23:23:02] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting
  283. [23:24:20] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18682 * Tantek * (+1883) added more to INPUT element handling - re: TEXTAREA, forms auto-fill from IRC discussions today
  284. [23:25:42] <tantek> mkaply, if u r still here, I've updated http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#INPUT_element_handling per the above IRC discussion that we had. I've used the "current value" terminology you suggested and linked to the definition of "current value" in HTML 4.01 for forms elements.
  285. [23:25:46] <tantek> Take a look
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  288. [23:26:36] <luur> tantek: I guess using multiple cards per page is fine
  289. [23:27:08] <luur> I have my XML in mind, where I had all the information in one file
  290. [23:28:58] <mefisto> emm .. guys
  291. [23:29:02] <mefisto> one question
  292. [23:29:49] <mefisto> can protect somehow my info from spambots ? like mail, name, address ?
  293. [23:32:13] <luur> how about a link to an image of your mail/name/address
  294. [23:32:23] <luur> but I dont know if thats allowed lol
  295. [23:33:26] <WilleRaab> The link for "using hCards in your blog" in hcard-brainstorming is broken. Anyone know a good blog to replace it with=
  296. [23:33:27] <WilleRaab> ?
  297. [23:39:00] <tantek> mefisto, don't publish it on the web
  298. [23:39:17] <tantek> WilleRaab, what's the bad link URL?
  299. [23:39:29] <WilleRaab> http://thedredge.org/2005/06/using-hcards-in-your-blog
  300. [23:39:54] <WilleRaab> (I've searched the site for it, so it doesn't seem to simply be moved..)
  301. [23:39:55] <tantek> wow that's too bad
  302. [23:39:56] <mefisto> tantek, but hCards are on web
  303. [23:40:12] <mefisto> and if i want one , i think i cant protect it
  304. [23:40:13] <tantek> mefisto, hCards markup existing contact information on the web
  305. [23:40:30] <tantek> subtle but important distinction
  306. [23:41:05] <WilleRaab> mefisto: in the hcard-brainstorm page I, I believe it was, I read something 'bout stopping spambots. w8
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  308. [23:41:18] <mefisto> k
  309. [23:41:25] <WilleRaab> mefisto: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Spam_prevention
  310. [23:42:24] <WilleRaab> Don't now if it's good to use though ... havn't seen it before, seem clever but I'd rather take some (ok a lot) spam than risk that some users can't use my site.
  311. [23:43:17] <tantek> WilleRaab, this might be a good substitute article: http://24ways.org/2006/styling-hcards-with-css
  312. [23:43:46] <WilleRaab> great. :)
  313. [23:43:47] <tantek> it seems to be an update/improved version of the article which is no longer online
  314. [23:43:58] <tantek> could you fix it where you found it?
  315. [23:44:01] <tantek> thanks much!
  316. [23:44:11] <WilleRaab> of course.
  317. [23:44:17] <mefisto> WilleRaab, btw, one more question , can spambots understand clientside xslt ?
  318. [23:45:04] <WilleRaab> mefisto: sorry, can't help you there, don't have a clue. My exp from spambots is that the advanced ones aren't very common...
  319. [23:45:28] <mefisto> any places i could asked (on this server) ?
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  321. [23:51:41] <tantek> mefisto, spambots can potentially "understand" (or rather, execute) any programmatic technology
  322. [23:52:07] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18683 * AndyMabbett * (+36) Contributors - sign
  323. [23:53:04] <mefisto> that sux =/ .. but i guess its true
  324. [23:53:24] <tantek> essentially, don't underestimate Skynet.
  325. [23:55:39] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18684 * WilleRaab * (+335) Noted invalid link and added another link.
  326. [23:55:40] <luur> lol
  327. [23:56:00] <luur> tantek: you mean Google?
  328. [23:56:02] <luur> ;D
  329. [23:56:08] <WilleRaab> Urgh.. Google.. :(
  330. [23:56:37] <luur> maps.google.com = skynet :D
  331. [23:57:04] <mefisto> more like big brother
  332. [23:57:53] <WilleRaab> tantek: added that article, it was sweet but however not really on the same topic. So I simply added a text on the (old) link being invalid but the discussion (using 'gravatars' in hcards etc) being interesting.. sort of.. =)
  333. [23:58:02] <tantek> luur, see http://twitter.com/t/statuses/142539732
  334. [23:58:23] <tantek> i believe the whole point was styling of an hCard to look like a business card
  335. [23:58:30] <tantek> with both the old reference and the new
  336. [23:59:07] <luur> oh man no way haha

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