IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-07-31

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  3. [00:00:33] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  6. [00:17:56] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for Last.fm and can be found at julianstahnke.com
  7. [00:18:54] <tantek> hi julianstahnke
  8. [00:19:04] <julianstahnke> hello
  9. [00:20:01] <tantek> I wanted to make sure you saw http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-portability
  10. [00:20:40] <tantek> In particular, thanks again for supporting hCard profiles in Last.fm - as indicated here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-profiles
  11. [00:21:16] <tantek> and for supporting XFN in friends lists: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists
  12. [00:21:19] <julianstahnke> np
  13. [00:21:23] <tantek> consider supporting hCard as well in friends lists
  14. [00:21:44] <julianstahnke> yeah, I always wanted to but somehow never got around to mark it up
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  16. [00:22:32] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  23. [00:55:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18969 * JulianStahnke * (+0) Last.fm marks up your friends as hcards now
  24. [00:58:15] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18970 * JulianStahnke * (+248) Last.FM support rel="me" with the webpage you enter into your profile
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  26. [01:05:22] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18971 * JulianStahnke * (+36) Services with XFN rel="me" supporting identity consolidation -
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  29. [01:10:13] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  42. [03:25:28] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  48. [05:01:08] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  59. [06:34:10] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability-fr&diff=0&oldid=18972 * ChristopheDucamp * (+136)
  60. [07:04:32] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatPublicDomainContributionStatement-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:MicroFormatPublicDomainContributionStatement-fr&diff=0&oldid=18973 * ChristopheDucamp * (+10) grammar
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  62. [07:09:14] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  66. [07:21:58] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs
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  68. [08:04:02] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  72. [08:11:58] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  74. [08:18:27] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  77. [08:44:01] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT) and works for Yahoo! in Europe
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  79. [08:49:30] <jibot> bunny_RSI is bunnywabbit_ suffering from repetitive strain injury so she doesn't talk much
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  83. [09:07:39] <mfbot> [[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=18974 * ChristopheDucamp * (+195) sync'd
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  87. [09:23:31] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  88. [09:25:26] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=18975 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2444) synchro en cours
  89. [09:40:28] <mfbot> [[twitternanoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=twitternanoformats&diff=0&oldid=18976 * TekeTen * (+115) Some apps supporting some kind of nanoformat -
  90. [09:51:19] <mfbot> [[profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile&diff=0&oldid=18977 * AndyMabbett * (+195) make disambiguation page
  91. [09:51:50] <mfbot> [[profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile&diff=0&oldid=18978 * AndyMabbett * (+42) dab
  92. [09:52:11] <mfbot> [[profiles]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/profiles * AndyMabbett * (+21)
  93. [09:54:32] <mfbot> [[profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile&diff=0&oldid=18979 * AndyMabbett * (+36) betetr links
  94. [09:55:28] <mfbot> [[profile-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18980 * AndyMabbett * (-249) diferentiating profile types
  95. [09:56:29] <mfbot> [[profile-uri-examples-in-wild]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uri-examples-in-wild * AndyMabbett * (+279)
  96. [09:56:45] <mfbot> [[profile-uris]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-uris&diff=0&oldid=18981 * AndyMabbett * (+8) dab
  97. [09:57:56] <mfbot> [[hcard-profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-profile&diff=0&oldid=18982 * AndyMabbett * (+8) Related Pages - dab
  98. [09:59:37] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18983 * AndyMabbett * (+149) Tools, Test Cases and Additional Research - dab
  99. [09:59:58] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=18984 * AndyMabbett * (+10) Tools, Test Cases and Additional Research - dab
  100. [10:00:29] <mfbot> [[profile-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+393) profile-examples-in-wild moved to user-profile-examples-in-wild
  101. [10:00:56] <mfbot> [[user-profile-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-profile-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18985 * AndyMabbett * (+5) dab
  102. [10:01:21] <mfbot> [[profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile&diff=0&oldid=18986 * AndyMabbett * (+10) dab
  103. [10:02:33] <mfbot> [[profile-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-examples&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+1128) profile-examples moved to user-profile-examples
  104. [10:03:29] <mfbot> [[user-profile-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-profile-examples&diff=0&oldid=18987 * AndyMabbett * (+14) dab
  105. [10:05:35] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18988 * AndyMabbett * (+7) dab
  106. [10:06:16] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-profiles&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+3069) hcard-supporting-profiles moved to hcard-supporting-user-profiles
  107. [10:07:17] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=18989 * AndyMabbett * (+5) dab
  108. [10:07:48] <mfbot> [[profiles-supporting-hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profiles-supporting-hcard&diff=0&oldid=18990 * AndyMabbett * (+5) dab
  109. [10:08:24] <mfbot> [[user-profile-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-profile-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18991 * AndyMabbett * (+5) dab
  110. [10:10:10] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=18992 * AndyMabbett * (+24) differnetiate types of profile (user vs head -element)
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  112. [10:11:42] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for Last.fm and can be found at julianstahnke.com
  113. [10:12:56] <mfbot> [[profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile&diff=0&oldid=18993 * AndyMabbett * (+28) XMDP
  114. [10:15:47] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-mark-up-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-mark-up-issues&diff=0&oldid=18994 * AndyMabbett * (+151) XMDP
  115. [10:16:03] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-mark-up-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-mark-up-issues&diff=0&oldid=18995 * AndyMabbett * (+1) *
  116. [10:17:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=18996 * AndyMabbett * (+14) clarify profile type
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  119. [10:23:44] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  121. [10:27:21] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/
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  124. [10:44:54] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT) and works for Yahoo! in Europe
  125. [10:47:16] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18997 * AndyMabbett * (+99) Examples with some problems - loadaveragezero.com
  126. [10:49:42] <mfbot> [[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=18998 * AndyMabbett * (+22) Examples with some problems - site owner informed
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  130. [11:15:50] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=18999 * AndyMabbett * (+171) Other use cases - 2x
  131. [11:16:11] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19000 * AndyMabbett * (+6) tyop
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  133. [11:25:35] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  134. [11:36:38] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19001 * AndyMabbett * (+34) Other use cases - Please add your suggestions
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  145. [13:15:02] <jibot> WilleRaab is a developer of and lecturer on democracy methods and tools http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WilleRaab
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  147. [14:02:13] <mfbot> [[hcard-tests]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-tests&diff=0&oldid=19003 * MichelC * (+1) hCard tests -
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  150. [14:15:59] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  151. [14:17:25] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=19004 * ChristopheDucamp * (+51)
  152. [14:17:31] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=19005 * AndyMabbett * (+370) Services that import hCard profiles
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  156. [14:36:13] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  160. [14:51:45] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  162. [15:03:01] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  192. [15:44:37] <mkaply> Anyone have any thoughts as to how to use microformats in an enterprise scenario? I'm trying to brainstorm ideas on how microformats could be used in IBM products.
  193. [15:44:40] <mkaply> middleware
  194. [15:50:34] <briansuda> as data exchange, or display?
  195. [15:52:28] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=19009 * Tantek * (+273) added Satisfaction to Services that import hCard profiles
  196. [15:53:00] <tantek> mkaply, to start with, does IBM have any products that generate HTML?
  197. [15:53:27] <tantek> assuming there are such products, step 1, make sure such products generate POSH and where appropriate, microformats
  198. [15:53:51] <tantek> and then add those products to the "implementations" page on the wiki
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  200. [15:55:50] <tantek> and of course, ibm.com is filled with opportunities to markup with microformat
  201. [15:55:51] <tantek> s
  202. [15:56:06] <tantek> e.g. http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/history_intro.html and the pages it points to could be marked up with hCalendar
  203. [15:57:22] <tantek> how about getting hCard and "Add to address book" links on the IBM contact page? http://www.ibm.com/contact/us/
  204. [15:58:29] <tantek> oh wow, I just discovered that IBM's Employee Directory search returns hCards!
  205. [15:58:31] <tantek> http://www.ibm.com/contact/employees/us/
  206. [15:58:37] <tantek> is that your doing mkaply?
  207. [15:59:11] <WilleRaab> =)
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  209. [16:00:39] <mkaply> tantek: Actually no. They have had that there for over a year.
  210. [16:00:45] <mkaply> We only recently found out it was generated incorrectly
  211. [16:00:52] <tantek> http://www.ibm.com/contact/employees/servlets/lookup?country=us&language=en&search_country=all&lastname=Kaply&firstname=Michael
  212. [16:00:53] <tantek> :)
  213. [16:01:03] <mkaply> A lot of our products like database, tivoli, rational, generate web based interfaces
  214. [16:01:19] <tantek> then I'd say that's a lot of opportunity to be POSH
  215. [16:01:20] <mkaply> I've thought of things like using microformats to identify machines in a network map
  216. [16:01:40] <mkaply> I'm basically trying to come up with pie in the sky research efforts around microformats for IBM (if I can)
  217. [16:02:38] <mkaply> Those microformats on ibm.com drive me crazy. Was there ever a time when they were even correct? (no fn, just an n)
  218. [16:02:51] <mkaply> adr with no children
  219. [16:06:20] <tantek> well I'm adding it to examples in the wild
  220. [16:06:23] <mkaply> tantek: What is the advantage of marking up something like history of IBM with hcalendar though? For enterprise you need to show more tangible benefits. Directory with hcard makes sense
  221. [16:06:43] <mkaply> I told them to fix their microformats and they said "It's been like that a year. Noone noticed. We have no money to fix it"
  222. [16:06:45] <tantek> for example anyone could build a timeline app
  223. [16:07:06] <tantek> no money to update a web template?
  224. [16:08:35] <mkaply> tantek: Yeah. That's a problem in enterprise stuff we've seen with other companies as well. You build an app toss it on the web and never allocate money to update it. IT would take 2 minutes to fix, but noone wants to take the hit. It's idiotic. But it happens in lots of big companies
  225. [16:09:13] <tantek> right, I suppose it would have to be fixed by doing an "upgrade" with a "new feature" like an "add to address book link" ;)
  226. [16:10:36] <mkaply> Are there any mashups yet that really use microformats?
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  228. [16:18:43] <trovster> http://googlemapsapi.blogspot.com/2007/06/microformats-in-google-maps.html
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  230. [16:22:20] <tantek> mkaply: http://austin.adactio.com/
  231. [16:24:26] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19010 * Tantek * (+2224) added implied fn from n, implied n from its subproperties thoughts
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  239. [17:02:00] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19012 * Tantek * (+1687) noted types of problems, added IBM Employee Search, noted problems, and how they could be addressed.
  240. [17:02:12] <tantek> mkaply, as promised: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild#Institutions
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  243. [17:07:17] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=19014 * Tantek * (+1)
  244. [17:16:36] <tantek> check this out:
  245. [17:16:38] <tantek> http://googlemapsapi.blogspot.com/2007/06/microformats-in-google-maps.html
  246. [17:17:06] * tantek realizes trovster already posted that link
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  248. [17:25:57] * mkaply is excited.
  249. [17:26:04] <mkaply> Google has always been a holdout. Plus they mention Operator :)
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  259. [18:00:42] <mfbot> [[get-started]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/get-started * Tantek * (+1914) drafted
  260. [18:00:53] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19015 * Tantek * (+121) get started
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  263. [18:03:10] <mfbot> [[hcard-advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-advocacy&diff=0&oldid=19017 * Tantek * (+241) IBM contact info
  264. [18:04:41] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=19018 * Tantek * (+33) requires XHR (XML-HTTP-Request) support
  265. [18:06:42] <mfbot> [[get-started]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=get-started&diff=0&oldid=19019 * Tantek * (+214) what next - advocacy of course
  266. [18:07:26] <tantek> mkaply, based on your question(s) above: http://microformats.org/wiki/get-started
  267. [18:07:48] <tantek> I'm hoping you can pass that along to the next person that asks, how should my company support microformats?
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  271. [18:11:50] <mkaply> what are the required field for hcalendar for sure? summary and dtstart?
  272. [18:12:00] <tantek> yes
  273. [18:12:00] <mkaply> upcoming dropped summaries on their main pages
  274. [18:12:03] <mkaply> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/search/?set=undiscovered&q=&search_placeid=2KG24iGbBZ_Mvs0M
  275. [18:12:24] <mkaply> so I should error on no summary or no dtstart. OK
  276. [18:13:04] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19020 * AndyMabbett * (+509) New Examples - Wikipedia
  277. [18:13:40] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19021 * AndyMabbett * (+0) New Examples - fmt
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  285. [18:25:03] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19024 * AndyMabbett * (+94) New Examples - better example
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  290. [18:32:34] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19025 * Tantek * (-375) rewrote definition from simplified definitions that have worked well in presentations, shortened headings to narrow TOC, floated TOC, edited prose, all to bring more above the fold
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  292. [18:36:46] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19026 * Tantek * (+8)
  293. [18:37:17] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19027 * Tantek * (+8)
  294. [18:40:23] <mfbot> [[mediawiki-mark-up-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mediawiki-mark-up-issues&diff=0&oldid=19028 * AndyMabbett * (+408) Dtend
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  298. [18:45:25] <KevinMarks> fn from n looks broadly reasonable, though some cultures put family-name first
  299. [18:46:32] <KevinMarks> for adr, there are a lot of existing publicly available address parsers and geocoders out there - should do some analysis of them first, per process
  300. [18:47:12] <KevinMarks> eg http://www.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/#Geocoding_Structured
  301. [18:52:29] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19029 * Kevin Marks * (+314) ADR with no children -
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  306. [19:09:58] <mfbot> [[geo-note]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-note * AndyMabbett * (+606)
  307. [19:10:24] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=19031 * AndyMabbett * (-594) {{geo-note}}
  308. [19:10:50] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=19032 * AndyMabbett * (-594) {{geo-note}}
  309. [19:11:56] <mfbot> [[geo-note]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-note&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+606) geo-note moved to Template:geo-note
  310. [19:12:37] <mfbot> [[geo-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=19033 * AndyMabbett * (-608) {{geo-note}}
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  316. [19:34:45] <mfbot> [[Template:geo-note]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:geo-note&diff=0&oldid=19035 * AndyMabbett * (+148) query restriction to abbr; clarify best practice
  317. [19:35:31] <mfbot> [[Template:geo-note]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:geo-note&diff=0&oldid=19036 * AndyMabbett * (+5)
  318. [19:37:52] <mfbot> [[adr-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=19037 * AndyMabbett * (-33) templating
  319. [19:37:54] * KevinMarks finds it ironic that microformats-discuss disallows HTML
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  322. [19:39:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=19038 * AndyMabbett * (-171) Properties (Class Names) - templating
  323. [19:40:20] <mfbot> [[Template:adr-note]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:adr-note&diff=0&oldid=19039 * AndyMabbett * (+196) moved
  324. [19:41:11] <mfbot> [[Template:adr-note]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:adr-note&diff=0&oldid=19040 * AndyMabbett * (+30) fmt
  325. [19:41:36] <mkaply> no geo testcases...
  326. [19:44:56] <mkaply> Are these the only three things that need testing for geo?
  327. [19:44:57] <mkaply> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/180271
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  334. [20:12:48] <KevinMarks> mkaply: you should probbaly add some failure case tests too - ie missing values
  335. [20:13:08] <mkaply> KevinMarks: good point :)
  336. [20:13:59] <mkaply> I don't actually fail creation of the microformat if something is missing. Because I don't like throwing
  337. [20:14:40] <mkaply> It's really up to the extension author to realize something is wrong
  338. [20:15:00] * mkaply wishes there was a way to have JS new return void without throwing
  339. [20:15:00] <KevinMarks> well, if you only have one co-ordinate, not sure how you should interpret it
  340. [20:15:11] <mkaply> well, geo.latitude wouldbe set,
  341. [20:15:15] <mkaply> geo.longitude would be null
  342. [20:17:54] <KevinMarks> doesn't seem very helpful...
  343. [20:23:03] <mkaply> No, but it's either that or force a try catch around every microformat new
  344. [20:37:23] <mkaply> KevinMarks: what about setting a boolean on a microformat object if it is invalid?
  345. [20:37:25] <mkaply> like geo.invalid
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  347. [20:39:20] * dglazkov needs uf help
  348. [20:39:25] <dglazkov> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/180282
  349. [20:39:36] <dglazkov> does this look ok?
  350. [20:40:07] <dglazkov> any suggestions for improving markup are appreciated
  351. [20:40:25] <dglazkov> as well as pointing out abuse of hAtom, hCard, hCalendar
  352. [20:41:18] <dglazkov> ok, I see I double-generated "summary entry-title uid" class value..
  353. [20:41:24] * dglazkov thought I fixed that
  354. [20:44:39] <mkaply> dglazkov: don't put times if they don't need times
  355. [20:45:25] <dglazkov> good point, I can fix that
  356. [20:45:47] <taaz> mkaply: what license should operator userscripts have? i probably borrowed some characters from other operator plugins while writing the haudio one so is it just MPL|GPL|LGPL like them?
  357. [20:46:04] <dglazkov> I am wondering if there is a need for quoting here
  358. [20:46:13] <mkaply> taaz: yep. Just do MPL/LGPL/GPL. That's what I do
  359. [20:46:57] <mkaply> when was geo adding to vevent/hcalendar? Or was it always there?
  360. [20:47:49] <taaz> mkaply: why just 3? you could make it an even dozen. :) as if licensing wasn't confusing enough.
  361. [20:48:06] <mkaply> taaz: I just copy Mozilla's licensing, that's all :)
  362. [20:48:09] <mkaply> It's about what you want to do
  363. [20:48:13] <tantek> mkaply, it was always there
  364. [20:48:25] <mfbot> [[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=19042 * AndyMabbett * (+229) Mars Examples - more
  365. [20:48:29] <mkaply> I don't usually worry if I only borrow a line or two from other people's files
  366. [20:48:38] <mkaply> If I take their entire file, I use their license
  367. [20:49:01] <dglazkov> what do you guys think about using start date of the event as hAtom/updated?
  368. [20:49:34] * mkaply wonders why he didn't put that in hcalendar
  369. [20:50:31] <mfbot> [[geo-elevation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-elevation-examples&diff=0&oldid=19043 * AndyMabbett * (+92) Misc - telescopes
  370. [20:51:09] <mkaply> that was easy. The beauty of templated code.
  371. [20:51:23] <KevinMarks> dglazkov: that makes more sense to me than what upcoming does with its event feeds
  372. [20:51:41] <taaz> mkaply: you don't seem to have any file license headers i could copy.
  373. [20:51:48] <dglazkov> do you mean using rss/xCal?
  374. [20:51:49] <mkaply> taaz: They are in one central license
  375. [20:52:03] <mkaply> http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/LICENSE
  376. [20:52:10] <mkaply> Because having lots of comments in JS files slows them down
  377. [20:52:13] <mkaply> So I put them in one file
  378. [20:52:14] <taaz> mkaply: yeah i see that. but i'm going to put up these files standalone so will have a header on them.
  379. [20:54:37] <mfbot> [[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=19044 * AndyMabbett * (+75) /* Date of Death evidence*/ List of saints on Wikipedia
  380. [20:57:43] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=19045 * Tantek * (+40) floated TOC to right for more substance above the fold
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  383. [21:09:19] <taaz> anyone have suggestions on how to put up operator userscripts? is it ok to host them as wiki attachments? something under haudio-implementations perhaps?
  384. [21:15:56] * dglazkov forgot about rel="bookmark"
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  387. [21:25:58] <dglazkov> can hAtom post be considered an event in itself? And is it useful to think about it like that?
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  389. [21:28:06] <KevinMarks> the act of posting as an event? seems odd to me
  390. [21:28:49] <dglazkov> yeah, but if the hfeed is a timeline of events. Consider this code (still tweaking the actual markup, but the idea should be there)
  391. [21:29:36] <dglazkov> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/180299
  392. [21:30:14] <KevinMarks> tantek, re social network portability, we need a defined heuristic for picking out the page owner from the friends
  393. [21:32:03] <dglazkov> each hentry can be viewed as an event -- an event of posting to twitter or adding new delicious bookmark, etc.
  394. [21:32:10] <dglazkov> too complicated?
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  396. [21:35:06] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=19046 * Tantek * (+382) Issues: heuristic for picking out the page owner from the friends
  397. [21:35:41] <tantek> KevinMarks, see http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-portability#Issues including suggestion to see http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Representative_hCard_discovery
  398. [21:37:08] <KevinMarks> ta, tantek
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  400. [21:38:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19047 * Kevin Marks * (+91) prefer hcard that points to the same page -
  401. [21:41:02] <KevinMarks> also thinking about using "uid" for friend hCards to mean 'there is a more complete hCard on the other end of this link' - eg Twitter
  402. [21:42:28] <tantek> yeah that's documented somewhere, the url uid pattern
  403. [21:42:32] <tantek> but i can't find it right now
  404. [21:42:58] <SignpostMarv> KevinMarks: shouldn't the client also check for rel="me" ?
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  406. [21:43:17] <SignpostMarv> ^client/parser
  407. [21:45:23] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19048 * Tantek * (+367) rel="me" hCard "url" implies it is a representative hCard for the page
  408. [21:47:36] <SignpostMarv> hrm. that's a thought. if a parser spiders each and every document for an hCard that says rel="me" and you have a chain of 30 hCards for an individual- some of which contain conflicting information, how are parsers meant to handle that ?
  409. [21:48:48] <KevinMarks> uid
  410. [21:48:51] <KevinMarks> ?
  411. [21:49:19] <SignpostMarv> i mean if one hCard says the individual is John Doe and the other says Jane Doe
  412. [21:49:46] <tantek> sounds like two different people
  413. [21:50:05] <tantek> the rel="me" links have to be bidirectional
  414. [21:50:27] <tantek> see: http://gmpg.org/xfn/and/#idconsolidation
  415. [21:50:28] <SignpostMarv> that's what I'm saying
  416. [21:50:36] * SignpostMarv reads
  417. [21:50:38] <KevinMarks> right, but they can be a chain rather than a star
  418. [21:51:05] <tantek> easy - you pick whichever is closest to the URL the user gave you
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  420. [21:51:26] <SignpostMarv> not the last one to be updated ?
  421. [21:51:35] <SignpostMarv> ^most recent
  422. [21:51:46] <tantek> no of course not. the user supplied a URL for their profile. you're supposed to use it.
  423. [21:52:09] <tantek> and with that, SignpostMarv, I'm going to call "theoretical" on your issue until *you* provide a URL to a real world example.
  424. [21:52:16] <SignpostMarv> :P
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  426. [21:53:15] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19049 * Tantek * (+69) Representative hCard discovery -
  427. [21:54:11] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19050 * Tantek * (+93) see XFN identity consolidation
  428. [21:54:19] <KevinMarks> doesn't 'use first' apply to those 'more than one' issues too?
  429. [21:54:27] <SignpostMarv> another hypothetical question following on from this :-3 :
  430. [21:54:39] <tantek> KevinMarks, hence why they are merely parenthetical
  431. [21:54:47] <tantek> it may be possible to combine such hCards
  432. [21:54:50] <tantek> into one
  433. [21:55:49] <SignpostMarv> if there is a standardised API for editing profile information for a service which the parser deems to contain "out of date" information, does it make sense to ask the end user "should i go and update this resource for you"
  434. [21:56:09] <SignpostMarv> as opposed to saying "the following resources appear to contain out of date/conflicting information"
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  437. [22:01:55] <tantek> SignpostMarv that standardized API is called HTTP
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  440. [22:02:03] <tantek> specifically last-modified
  441. [22:02:15] <tantek> subscribing to a profile is no different than subscribing to a feed
  442. [22:02:28] <tantek> except that there is no separate URL
  443. [22:02:32] <tantek> it *is* the page
  444. [22:03:07] <tantek> and your feed reader doesn't ask you everytime a feed has been updated "should i go and update this resource for you" so neither should a profile subscription
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  449. [22:07:58] <SignpostMarv> would informing the individual that the parser has found conflicting information be good practice though ?
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