IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-08-06

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  9. [01:55:50] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19351 * ManuSporny * (+3730) Split hAudio rel-pattern issues per Brian Suda's request
  10. [01:56:16] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=19352 * Rohit * (-1037) Reverted edit of JoeAndrieu, changed back to last version by ManuSporny
  11. [01:57:47] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19353 * ManuSporny * (-5) Reformatting some parts of the page to be easier to read
  12. [02:00:53] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19354 * ManuSporny * (-41) Problem: Display properties of rel-patterns -
  13. [02:02:04] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19355 * ManuSporny * (-53) Problem: Peeking into child elements to display rel-patterns -
  14. [02:06:35] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19356 * ManuSporny * (+184) Possible Solutions -
  15. [02:08:32] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19357 * ManuSporny * (+114)
  16. [02:09:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19358 * ManuSporny * (+28) Contributors -
  17. [02:27:29] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19359 * ManuSporny * (+527) Adding summary missing problem
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  20. [03:05:37] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=19360 * ManuSporny * (+281) Adding audio-album Microformat discussion/proposal pages
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  22. [03:12:08] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Rohit * (+0) blocked "User:JoeAndrieu" with an expiry time of 168 hours: User repeatedly disregarded requests to discuss legal/governance issues directly with designated admin contact (Rohit)
  23. [03:17:04] <mfbot> [[audio-album-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-brainstorming * ManuSporny * (+6181) Adding audio-album brainstorming text
  24. [03:39:51] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-proposal * ManuSporny * (+19514) Creating audio-album-proposal page
  25. [03:41:52] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-album-proposal&diff=0&oldid=19361 * ManuSporny * (+44) Schema - adding 'track' property
  26. [03:42:34] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-album-proposal&diff=0&oldid=19362 * ManuSporny * (+0) Schema - - changed hAlbum to hAudio
  27. [03:44:19] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-album-proposal&diff=0&oldid=19363 * ManuSporny * (+342) Adding Track specification
  28. [03:46:45] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-album-proposal&diff=0&oldid=19364 * ManuSporny * (+519) Adding moderately complicated album example to examples section
  29. [03:52:32] <mfbot> [[audio-album-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-album-proposal&diff=0&oldid=19365 * ManuSporny * (+461) Adding track to complete example
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  64. [09:43:23] <KevinMarks> http://www.wired.com/software/webservices/news/2007/08/open_social_net
  65. [09:43:41] <KevinMarks> not to mention http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/08/microformats-in-blogger-hatom-support.html
  66. [09:55:44] <bergie> KevinMarks: good stuff. we need better tools for spidering the XFN data
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  68. [09:56:56] <bergie> maybe having a link with rel="xfn" or somesuch would make it easier to spider people's sites for the actual XFN list. I'm not going to have mine on my front page at least...
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  78. [11:19:05] <mfbot> [[uid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19366 * DenisDefreyne * (+11) Adding link to isbn page
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  85. [11:51:52] <mfbot> [[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=19367 * NicoFroidure * (+634) Suggestions for Existing Properties -
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  89. [12:00:39] <chaKKo_1521> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521
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  94. [12:16:52] <mfbot> [[vcard-suggestions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-suggestions&diff=0&oldid=19368 * NicoFroidure * (+103) 3.3.2 EMAIL Type Definition -
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  101. [14:12:53] <mfbot> [[User:NicoFroidure]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:NicoFroidure * NicoFroidure * (+271)
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  105. [14:15:28] <FROIDURE> hi
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  107. [14:17:15] <nfroidure> i'm the bbcomposer developper and i'm creating and extension to add microformats in a the wysiwyg editor
  108. [14:17:32] <nfroidure> *an extension
  109. [14:19:08] <nfroidure> I've some problems with localization and i submitted it to http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#3.3.3_Suggestion_for_Types_Definition
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  112. [14:19:39] <nfroidure> Does it have a chance to change or will it always stay like this ?
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  116. [14:30:24] <dglazkov> umm, nfroidure, what does it have to do with hCard?
  117. [14:36:56] <ddfreyne> nfroidure: perhaps <abbr title="work" class="type">Travail</abbr> would work?
  118. [14:39:45] <nfroidure_> I saw in the W3C website that we should use class attribute semantically
  119. [14:41:10] <ddfreyne> I don't see the problem
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  123. [14:46:51] <nfroidure> sorry, connection problem
  124. [14:47:19] <nfroidure> Ok, the class names accept caracters like - and _, maybe : ?
  125. [14:48:03] <ddfreyne> I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish… did you see what I wrote?
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  128. [14:48:41] <nfroidure__> Arf
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  130. [14:52:07] <illustir> anybody got any hkit documentation?
  131. [14:52:24] <drewinthehead> only in my brain, illustir
  132. [14:52:36] <illustir> hey drew
  133. [14:52:40] <drewinthehead> (and the quality of that is doubtful)
  134. [14:52:43] <drewinthehead> hey :)
  135. [14:53:52] <illustir> the structure of result
  136. [14:53:58] <illustir> is that explained somewhere?
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  138. [14:54:05] <illustir> i can't easily deduce it from code
  139. [14:54:17] <illustir> and wordpress won't allow me to print_r
  140. [14:54:25] <drewinthehead> it won't?
  141. [14:54:37] <drewinthehead> have you tried out the online version @ microformatic.com?
  142. [14:55:05] <drewinthehead> e.g. http://tools.microformatic.com/query/plain/hkit/http://microformats.org
  143. [14:55:17] <drewinthehead> that should show you what you're getting back
  144. [14:55:39] <drewinthehead> but the precise structure will depend on the data
  145. [14:56:16] <illustir> ah nice
  146. [14:56:22] <drewinthehead> if you're looking for hCards, the result will be an array of hCard assoc arrays
  147. [14:56:32] <illustir> i see
  148. [14:56:38] <illustir> thanks, this is exactly what i need
  149. [14:56:43] <drewinthehead> great
  150. [14:57:03] <illustir> now to check if wordpress gets this
  151. [14:57:21] <drewinthehead> it's weird that you can't print_r() in WP
  152. [14:57:27] <illustir> i think you can
  153. [14:57:45] <illustir> at least echo shows stuff
  154. [14:57:56] <illustir> maybe print_r works, but the object is empty or something
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  156. [14:58:46] <drewinthehead> could be. try it out with the one at microformatic and see what you're getting.
  157. [14:58:58] <illustir> btw, drew, is this correct? http://alper.nl/xmpp:alper@jabber.org
  158. [14:59:01] <illustir> for: http://tools.microformatic.com/query/plain/hkit/http://alper.nl
  159. [14:59:35] <illustir> i think that's a different protocol specifier, so you shouldn't re-attach the base url (or whatever it's called)
  160. [14:59:41] <drewinthehead> oh great, so i offer some help and you find a bug ;) ;)
  161. [14:59:58] <drewinthehead> i'll take a look at it.
  162. [15:00:08] <illustir> cool
  163. [15:00:40] <illustir> it's not vital, and i'm a bit unhappy with the obscure syntax for IM accounts in hCard anyway
  164. [15:01:26] * drewinthehead notes that the resolvePath() function is hKit is commented with: // ugly code ahoy: needs a serious tidy up
  165. [15:03:32] <drewinthehead> is that the correct scheme for these sorts of things? i.e. skype:foo rather than skype://foo ?
  166. [15:03:43] <drewinthehead> hmm ... just so, like mailto:
  167. [15:04:07] <trovster> Q. Should parsers standardise outputs? For example the HTML might be ##### ### ### on one site, but ##### ###### on another; but both are the same (type) of telephone number (uk landline)
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  171. [15:07:18] <drewinthehead> this could be handy, methinks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI_scheme
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  173. [15:07:46] <drewinthehead> trovster: that tends to be set by locale settings
  174. [15:08:38] <drewinthehead> for comparison purposes, just knock out anything but 0-9 and +
  175. [15:09:22] <trovster> Yeh, I realise for comparisions and such. And you shouldn't trust the data. But should it be part of the parser?
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  180. [15:22:14] <drewinthehead> what would the advantage be, trovster?
  181. [15:23:41] <trovster> Consistency in the output. Another example is "postal-codes", more specifically, postcodes for the UK. AB12CD or AB1 2CD etc... would be good if you knew categorically, everytime, that you'd get the same result returned.
  182. [15:25:15] <drewinthehead> i guess that depends on your aim. for some applications it might be preferable to preserve the format
  183. [15:27:04] <trovster> But, if your application requires AB1 2CD format, then you'd still have to convert to that, because they might appear as AB12CD
  184. [15:27:53] <trovster> But I see the point of maintaining it, but I wouldn't rely upon the format inputted through the app/conversion, as your site would want some consistency.
  185. [15:29:38] <drewinthehead> if your applications requires a given format, then you need to take responsibility for formatting the data yourself. everyone's applications might all be different
  186. [15:32:06] <trovster> OK. I'm just being lazy ;)
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  189. [15:38:13] <drewinthehead> illustir: looks like i need to implement uri schemes properly in hKit, not just hack them in. need to develop a test for the hCard test suite too. Should get to it this week, but probably not today.
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  191. [15:39:40] <illustir> ok drew
  192. [15:39:50] <illustir> that's not really bothering me
  193. [15:40:05] <illustir> what is, is that my host is -I think- not supporting file_get_contents
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  196. [15:45:50] <drewinthehead> illustir: running PHP5?
  197. [15:46:41] <illustir> yeah,
  198. [15:47:05] <drewinthehead> ah, just disabled for security?
  199. [15:47:31] <illustir> i think dreamhost has it disabled
  200. [15:47:41] <illustir> i'm trying to convert it to using curl
  201. [15:47:54] <drewinthehead> yeah, should be easy to use curl
  202. [15:48:23] <drewinthehead> you could either do it outside the class and pass in as a string, or modify the loadURL() function.
  203. [15:48:38] <drewinthehead> if you choose the latter, you may like to consider submitting a patch :)
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  206. [15:50:22] <illustir> i don't know if my php skills are up to snuff for that
  207. [15:50:31] <drewinthehead> not sure why it's not using curl to be honest
  208. [15:51:11] <illustir> file_get_contents looks reasonable to wanna use, fun stuff that you can't depend on it
  209. [15:53:33] <drewinthehead> curl also isn't always available
  210. [15:54:20] <tantek> fyi: http://www.brosbeforeblogs.com/2007/08/identity-crisis.html
  211. [15:54:43] <tantek> "We need to put the ownership of how we define relationships online in the hands of the individual, not the services that utilize them.
  212. [15:54:43] <tantek> My theory on how this should be accomplished is based on a marriage of OpenID and an open standard for defining relationships such as the XFN Microformat."
  213. [15:57:08] <mfbot> [[social-network-portability]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-portability&diff=0&oldid=19369 * Tantek * (+474) added articles section and "Identity Crisis part 1" article
  214. [15:59:31] <drewinthehead> awesome
  215. [16:00:08] <drewinthehead> illustir: did hKit properly report that file_get_contents was required and unavailable?
  216. [16:00:24] <illustir> where should it have reported that?
  217. [16:00:38] <illustir> i didn't really figure it out until i made a standalone .php file on the server
  218. [16:00:45] <illustir> with the file_get_contents method in it
  219. [16:00:52] <illustir> with the @ it fails silently
  220. [16:00:56] <illustir> without it it gives a PHP error
  221. [16:01:10] <drewinthehead> it should have died as you tried to instantiate the class.
  222. [16:01:13] <drewinthehead> FAIL.
  223. [16:01:58] <drewinthehead> should have called die() with "hKit error: these required functions are not available:..."
  224. [16:02:10] <drewinthehead> looks like I have some bugs to fix :)
  225. [16:03:01] <illustir> well, i'm not naturally a php programmer, so i'm learning this stuff by doing it
  226. [16:08:51] <dglazkov> any objections to move multi-valued properties explanation (http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-faq#xoxo_properties_and_values) into XOXO spec, possibly just after Special Properties (http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo#Special_Properties)?
  227. [16:09:30] <tantek> dglazkov - sounds good to me
  228. [16:09:42] <dglazkov> okee dokee
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  230. [16:11:34] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=19370 * Tantek * (+81) link Google implementations to local Google anchor
  231. [16:12:55] <mfbot> [[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=19371 * Tantek * (+1) Technorati Microformats Search -
  232. [16:13:21] <mfbot> [[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=19372 * Tantek * (+0) Technorati Microformats Search -
  233. [16:15:02] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=19373 * Tantek * (+70) updated Technorati Microformats Search by and links
  234. [16:16:29] <mfbot> [[xoxo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo&diff=0&oldid=19374 * DimitriGlazkov * (+363) Added multi-value properties
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  237. [16:26:51] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19376 * DimitriGlazkov * (+69) spelling is not my forte
  238. [16:27:37] <mfbot> [[xoxo-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19377 * DimitriGlazkov * (-1)
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  240. [16:28:42] <dglazkov> should I start a new page, xoxo-parsing?
  241. [16:28:46] * dglazkov needs advice
  242. [16:29:20] <dglazkov> I feel like I keep adding content to the wrong page, xoxo-brainstorming
  243. [16:29:31] <tantek> that's the right place to start adding that content
  244. [16:29:58] <tantek> when you've got a good chunk of xoxo parsing added to the -brainstorming page, notify microformats-dev of it and ask for folks to check it out
  245. [16:30:04] <tantek> review it as it were
  246. [16:30:31] <dglazkov> ok
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  252. [16:56:02] <tantek> FYI drewinthehead: this is Ted Grubb, the man that implemented the import your hCard profile support into Satisfaction Inc. customer service site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/1029507997/
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  265. [18:12:47] <illustir> anybody got experience with hkit?
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  287. [20:05:51] <drewinthehead> greetings
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  297. [20:08:25] <kingryan> hi drewinthehead
  298. [20:08:54] <drewinthehead> hi kingryan
  299. [20:09:11] <drewinthehead> am i correct in saying that none of the existing hcard tests in the suite cover uri schemes beyond data:?
  300. [20:09:20] <drewinthehead> i couldn't spot anything
  301. [20:09:31] <kingryan> you mean besides http and data?
  302. [20:09:49] <kingryan> I thought there was an ftp one, too
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  305. [20:10:30] <drewinthehead> orly? i'll take another look.
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  311. [20:12:20] <tantek> hey illustir, re-ask your hKit question
  312. [20:12:30] <drewinthehead> hey illustir
  313. [20:14:39] <mfbot> [[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=19380 * WebOrganics * (-119) New Examples -
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  317. [20:29:55] <drewinthehead> ah yes, ftp uses a :// so gets handled fine. I have breakage in hKit with schemes like skype: and msnim:
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  319. [20:33:26] * drewinthehead has spotted his error. will build a test case for unusual uri schemes.
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  322. [20:37:52] <kingryan> please send a patch or something so that I can add it to the suite
  323. [20:39:37] * drewinthehead nods
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  325. [20:42:58] <illustir> drew?
  326. [20:43:04] <drewinthehead> hey
  327. [20:43:07] <illustir> hey
  328. [20:43:16] <illustir> i got some stuff working using this code: http://dpaste.com/16145/
  329. [20:43:31] <illustir> the first time this function is called in the wordpress comments loop it works fine
  330. [20:43:46] <illustir> but the second time the hKit() is instantiated it looks like it doesn't get its profile correctly
  331. [20:44:25] <illustir> if you have time to take a look at it, that is
  332. [20:45:02] <drewinthehead> what's indicating that the profile isn't loading correctly?
  333. [20:45:21] <illustir> check the comments on htis page: http://alper.nl/dingen/2007/08/havatar-voor-wordpress/#comments
  334. [20:45:35] <illustir> ->att_map is empty for instance
  335. [20:45:45] <illustir> that is what is causing the error there
  336. [20:46:31] <illustir> but i had to change loadProfile as well to: require_once(dirname(__FILE__) . "/" . $profile . ".profile.php");
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  338. [20:46:42] <illustir> to get it to work as a wp plugin
  339. [20:46:58] <drewinthehead> ah, that'd be it
  340. [20:47:36] <drewinthehead> can you instantiate hKit outside the loop?
  341. [20:49:07] <illustir> so the require_once prevents it from re-instantiating the hKit correctly the second time?
  342. [20:49:11] <drewinthehead> try changing the require_once to require
  343. [20:50:03] <drewinthehead> the require is done in-scope, but php doesn't care ... the _once prevents it working a second time, even in the scope of a new instance
  344. [20:50:10] <illustir> ok, already tried that, then get: Cannot redeclare hkit_hcard_post()
  345. [20:50:18] <mfbot> [[events/2007-07-28-portable-social-networks-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-07-28-portable-social-networks-meetup&diff=0&oldid=19381 * Tantek * (-47) updated photo summary to include Brian Oberkirch
  346. [20:51:06] <illustir> i'll try to move the instantiation out of the loop, thanks
  347. [20:53:59] <drewinthehead> hmm bugger.
  348. [20:54:47] <drewinthehead> i have to admit i've never tested instantiating lots of instances on one page
  349. [20:55:09] <illustir> i've got it to work
  350. [20:55:22] <illustir> moving the declaration out back in the plugin and declaring it global did the trick
  351. [20:55:30] <illustir> and left some bad taste in my mouth....
  352. [20:55:49] <illustir> i think you need to make the profile a mixin class, but i don't really know how to do that in php
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  354. [20:57:34] <drewinthehead> in normal circumstances you shouldn't need more than one instance, as it's returning data not holding it
  355. [20:58:01] <drewinthehead> but i'll work on addressing this - there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get that working
  356. [20:58:12] <illustir> yeah, but it makes for some awfully unpredictable programming
  357. [20:58:20] * drewinthehead adds to his bug list
  358. [20:58:37] <illustir> you have a more public infrastructure for hKit?
  359. [20:58:57] <drewinthehead> not currently
  360. [20:58:58] <illustir> svn and stuff?
  361. [20:59:07] <drewinthehead> hoping to get stuff in place in September
  362. [21:01:03] <illustir> b4 or after dConstruct?
  363. [21:02:27] <illustir> rewriting it to curl was this more or less: http://dpaste.com/16147/
  364. [21:02:44] <illustir> though i think curl has a lot of nuances as well (which i'm now ignoring)
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  368. [21:07:11] <drewinthehead> svn and wiki
  369. [21:07:11] <drewinthehead> probably after
  370. [21:07:11] <drewinthehead> yup, that's pretty much what i have
  371. [21:07:12] <drewinthehead> i'll test for curl, and if it's there use it in preference, else try file_get_contents
  372. [21:07:16] <drewinthehead> you might want to consider the multi-curl stuff if you're requesting lots of pages
  373. [21:07:18] <drewinthehead> else your requests might collide and explode all over your page
  374. [21:08:38] <illustir> isn't this all synchronous?
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  377. [21:15:24] <drewinthehead> in theory
  378. [21:15:24] <drewinthehead> in practise i've had trouble with curl in the past where multiple theoretically synchronous requests are being made in a script
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  380. [21:15:27] <drewinthehead> are you attending dConstruct, illustir?
  381. [21:17:03] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=19382 * Alper * (+34)
  382. [21:17:22] <illustir> yeah, i am
  383. [21:17:26] <illustir> i saw that you were too
  384. [21:19:02] <drewinthehead> yes, i'll be at the back recording podcasts as usual. do come and say hi.
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  386. [21:19:23] <Phae> you're doing that again? fun
  387. [21:19:45] <illustir> nice about the curl stuff...
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  389. [21:19:54] <illustir> i will definitely
  390. [21:20:57] <drewinthehead> Phae: yup, i really enjoy it
  391. [21:21:11] <Phae> well, cool then :)
  392. [21:21:35] <drewinthehead> i don't get much chance to geek around with audio these days
  393. [21:21:55] <Phae> yea
  394. [21:22:50] <drewinthehead> illustir: just looking at how you're using hKit ... do you think it would be helpful to have a caching layer within it, or do you think that's best handled outside?
  395. [21:23:18] <illustir> good question, i was going to look at caching when i got the thing done
  396. [21:25:07] <drewinthehead> one could argue that as hKit accepts input by string, it could be left up to the implementer to do the caching, but that also sounds a bit like a lazy excuse ;)
  397. [21:25:42] <illustir> when we start to aggregate microformatted data from different sources, we need caching of sorts
  398. [21:25:54] <illustir> otherwise things are going to get really really slow
  399. [21:26:29] <illustir> and stale caches are not too much of an issue i would think
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  402. [21:28:48] <illustir> so yes, caching would be a good idea
  403. [21:29:16] <illustir> and i hope the user agent will eventually cache the avatar images themselves
  404. [21:29:18] <drewinthehead> yes, it'd be quite safe under most circumstances to go with a default cache timeout of serveral hours
  405. [21:29:18] <drewinthehead> as long as that was configurable
  406. [21:30:24] <drewinthehead> the images, yes, but you're querying for the image urls, which you need before the browser can decide
  407. [21:30:40] <illustir> yes, that's why double caching would be nice
  408. [21:30:48] <illustir> how would you cache at the PHP side?
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  410. [21:33:53] <drewinthehead> probably the serialised output of the parse
  411. [21:33:53] <drewinthehead> no point re-parsing a cached page, as the result will be the same
  412. [21:33:53] <drewinthehead> should make it lightening fast
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  414. [21:34:28] <drewinthehead> i'd key it against profile + url
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  416. [21:36:20] <illustir> and store it where?
  417. [21:36:36] <illustir> are there caching frameworks for PHP or something?
  418. [21:37:07] <illustir> sounds good anyway
  419. [21:42:24] <drewinthehead> i'd just whop it in a file
  420. [21:42:24] <drewinthehead> there are caching frameworks, but that would probably be overkill for such a simple task
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  430. [22:07:45] <illustir> 'gnight
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  436. [22:26:34] <Charl> aargh sorry, window opened :)
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