IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-08-17

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  1. [00:11:11] * illustir (n=alper@c51448e84.cable.wanadoo.nl) Quit ()
  2. [00:14:12] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=19764 * Lastorset * (+1622) Analysis - Group-analysis results
  3. [00:14:58] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=19765 * Lastorset * (+18) Analysis of Receipts - subheadings
  4. [00:29:19] <mfbot> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=19766 * Lastorset * (-6) Pages to create - clarified list a bit
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  8. [00:34:36] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  9. [00:56:37] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=19767 * Lastorset * (+182) Analysis of Receipts - linked to spreadsheet analysis
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  11. [01:03:28] <mfbot> [[receipt-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/receipt-formats * Lastorset * (+450)
  12. [01:04:59] <mfbot> [[receipt-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-formats&diff=0&oldid=19768 * Lastorset * (+27)
  13. [01:07:10] <mfbot> [[receipt-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-examples&diff=0&oldid=19769 * Lastorset * (-43) Adjusted start of page a bit: changed title, added myself as a contributor
  14. [01:07:31] <mfbot> [[receipt-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-formats&diff=0&oldid=19770 * Lastorset * (+38) added contributor section
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  16. [01:10:32] <mfbot> [[receipt-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=receipt-formats&diff=0&oldid=19771 * Lastorset * (+98) Open Financial Exchange - Wikipedia link
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  23. [02:00:57] <mfbot> [[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=19772 * Tantek * (+6) Reverted edit of Lastorset, changed back to last version by Tantek
  24. [02:02:08] <mfbot> [[Talk:geo-brainstorming]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:geo-brainstorming * ApdLkz * (+12306)
  25. [02:03:30] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:OplTv2" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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  30. [02:16:29] <mfbot> [[Hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=19773 * EggXmb * (+12548)
  31. [02:16:50] <mfbot> [[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=19774 * Tantek * (+66) collapsed *-brainstorming page related text into paragraphs into a single list item for clarity of scope, bolded page name indicators
  32. [02:17:26] <mfbot> [[Hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=19775 * Tantek * (-12548) Reverted edit of EggXmb, changed back to last version by RyanKing
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  37. [02:41:22] <mfbot> [[Talk:xhours]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xhours * Mi0Pnc * (+12408)
  38. [03:01:39] <mfbot> [[SemanticXhtmlDesignPrinciples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=SemanticXhtmlDesignPrinciples-fr&diff=0&oldid=19776 * KtqEs7 * (+12292)
  39. [03:01:40] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=19777 * PphNx8 * (+12292)
  40. [03:01:41] <mfbot> [[User:Christina Hope]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Christina_Hope&diff=0&oldid=19778 * OxvIgq * (+12292)
  41. [03:04:52] <mfbot> [[Talk:workofart-formatshttp:/www.wikinfo.org/index.php/NPOV]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:workofart-formatshttp:/www.wikinfo.org/index.php/NPOV * DsfYav * (+12286)
  42. [03:05:08] <mfbot> [[presentation-think-2005-11-12]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentation-think-2005-11-12&diff=0&oldid=19779 * YlhEvk * (+12287)
  43. [03:05:14] <mfbot> [[User talk:DanielBurka]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:DanielBurka&diff=0&oldid=19780 * RujSes * (+12287)
  44. [03:05:40] <mfbot> [[Talk:blog-quote-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:blog-quote-examples * ZkxAit * (+12286)
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  51. [04:10:53] <mfbot> [[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=19783 * LoqOsl * (-8047)
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  60. [05:19:38] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  61. [05:22:06] <mfbot> [[audio-info-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-formats&diff=0&oldid=19784 * BapE5q * (+12461)
  62. [05:40:08] <mfbot> [[User:Chris Messina]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Chris_Messina&diff=0&oldid=19785 * DxlHpz * (+12335)
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  67. [06:07:56] <mfbot> [[User:IwaiMasaharu]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu&diff=0&oldid=19786 * IwaiMasaharu * (-12161) revert spam
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  69. [06:08:11] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  77. [06:35:52] <jibot> WizCraker is Caxi@Eitrigg, WoW, US, Alliance and Dustin D'Amour
  78. [06:36:02] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:CvoR7m" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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  88. [06:36:58] <mfbot> [[SemanticXhtmlDesignPrinciples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=SemanticXhtmlDesignPrinciples-fr&diff=0&oldid=19787 * Tantek * (-12292) Reverted edit of KtqEs7, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
  89. [06:37:03] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=19788 * Tantek * (-12292) Reverted edit of PphNx8, changed back to last version by ChristopheDucamp
  90. [06:37:14] <mfbot> [[User:Christina Hope]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Christina_Hope&diff=0&oldid=19789 * Tantek * (-12292) Reverted edit of OxvIgq, changed back to last version by Christina Hope
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  92. [06:37:26] <mfbot> [[presentation-think-2005-11-12]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentation-think-2005-11-12&diff=0&oldid=19790 * Tantek * (-12287) Reverted edit of YlhEvk, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  96. [06:38:46] <mfbot> [[blog-post-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-post-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=19792 * Tantek * (+8047) Reverted edit of LoqOsl, changed back to last version by Phae
  97. [06:38:57] <mfbot> [[audio-info-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-formats&diff=0&oldid=19793 * Tantek * (-12461) Reverted edit of BapE5q, changed back to last version by WebOrganics
  98. [06:39:03] <mfbot> [[User:Chris Messina]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Chris_Messina&diff=0&oldid=19794 * Tantek * (-12335) Reverted edit of DxlHpz, changed back to last version by Chris Messina
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  106. [07:01:12] <mfbot> [[microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=19795 * Tantek * (+595) removed suggestion per follow-up on the page itself, added quotes relating to principles.
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  109. [07:11:20] <mfbot> [[Talk:hatom-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hatom-examples * AtdVlx * (+12165)
  110. [07:12:56] <mfbot> [[User talk:Pogotc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Pogotc&diff=0&oldid=19796 * IjqBti * (+12731)
  111. [07:22:52] <mfbot> [[Talk:species]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:species * BrgS90 * (+12268)
  112. [07:23:58] <mfbot> [[Talk:hcard-singular-properties]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-singular-properties * HdwChc * (+12271)
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  114. [07:24:32] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  115. [07:32:09] <mfbot> [[Talk:spam-removal]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:spam-removal * Pt6Lf4 * (+12372)
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  119. [07:59:28] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  122. [08:09:16] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  128. [08:40:47] <jibot> ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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  222. [14:46:24] <mkaply> briansuda: oh great XSLT guru :)
  223. [14:46:29] <mkaply> My RDFa detection sucks
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  225. [14:46:34] <mkaply> xpathExpression: "*[@about or contains(@rel,':') or contains(@rev,':') or @property or contains(@class,':')]",
  226. [14:46:50] <mkaply> Which of course catches any class with a colon in it which is bad.
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  228. [14:47:12] <mkaply> Suggestion has been that I add an extra check for xmlns on any element
  229. [14:47:43] <briansuda> would this get applied to HTML as well?
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  232. [14:48:06] <briansuda> because there is an IE issue with ABBR ACONYM hack that uses ns to get around it
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  236. [14:48:48] <mkaply> briansuda: I know I handle something around abbr/acronym in my regular microformats code
  237. [14:49:08] <mkaply> I just wanted the expression to say "any element in the document contains xmlns:xxxx
  238. [14:49:35] <briansuda> as a class?
  239. [14:50:00] <mkaply> nope, as an attribute
  240. [14:50:07] <mkaply> <body
  241. [14:50:07] <mkaply> xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
  242. [14:50:07] <mkaply> xmlns:cc="http://web.resource.org/cc/"
  243. [14:50:07] <mkaply> xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/"
  244. [14:50:07] <mkaply> >
  245. [14:50:44] <briansuda> does your XPath look for a colon IN the rel value?
  246. [14:50:51] <briansuda> the one you pasted it
  247. [14:52:05] <briansuda> to get namespace you´d have to something like local-name="a" namespace="long url here"
  248. [14:52:35] <briansuda> the same for attributes. @a[namespace-url("")]
  249. [14:52:35] <mkaply> Yes, that's how Elias did basic RDFa detection. Just looking for a colon in rel/rev or class
  250. [14:52:38] <mkaply> which doesn't work.
  251. [14:52:57] <mkaply> I'm wondering if via xpath I can find out if any attribute is named xmlns:XXXX
  252. [14:53:00] <mkaply> without knowing what XXX is
  253. [14:53:06] <mkaply> like (attribute begins with xmlns:)
  254. [14:53:13] <briansuda> sure...
  255. [14:53:16] <mkaply> as in attrbiutename, not attributevalue
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  258. [14:54:23] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  259. [14:54:24] <briansuda> do you have an example line of HTML?
  260. [14:55:02] <mkaply> That body tag above
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  262. [14:55:12] <mkaply> http://ben.adida.net/
  263. [14:55:27] * briansuda thankssreynen for the last few emails to the list, he was thinking the exact same thing you were writting
  264. [14:57:15] <briansuda> ok, the body tag above, you should be able to get at the arrtibutes and see that they are namespaced and get taht URI
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  267. [14:58:27] <briansuda> AFAIK you can't really loop through nodes on a wild-card attribute
  268. [14:59:22] <briansuda> which i think is what you are looking for, then of that node-set check the namespaces
  269. [14:59:52] <briansuda> "//*" is wild card for nodes, i don't think "//*@*" exists
  270. [15:01:40] <mkaply> That would really suck if there was no really good way to detect RDFa. Although I would argue that having a property= indicates RDFa, doesn't it? That's non standard?
  271. [15:01:54] * mkaply wonders about RDFa without property
  272. [15:01:57] <briansuda> it is standard XHTML2 i think
  273. [15:02:26] <briansuda> ben wrote a dection script in javascript
  274. [15:02:36] <briansuda> a bookmarklet, you might be able to steal his ideas
  275. [15:02:52] <briansuda> unless he hard-coded namespace values?
  276. [15:04:38] <briansuda> just because there is a semi-colon in a class/rev/rel value doesn't ALWAYS mean it is an intended namespace. you COULD have styles that are YUI:calendar and be value CSS
  277. [15:05:09] <briansuda> it just gets styled YUI\:cal { color: purple; }
  278. [15:05:17] <mkaply> briansuda: yeah. Elias did that kind of quick and dirty. There really needs to be an obvious way to know something has RDFa on it.
  279. [15:05:29] <mkaply> Honestly that would be nice for microformats as well. Parsing the page at load time is expensive.
  280. [15:05:32] <mkaply> Oh for profile URIs
  281. [15:07:00] <briansuda> :)
  282. [15:08:41] <briansuda> the ability to detect a microformat or RDFa exists is important... i have seen several times more recently people embedding microformats into SVG and Atom
  283. [15:09:18] <briansuda> so the ability to do html:rel in an RSS link element, or another namespace might be interesting
  284. [15:09:56] <briansuda> or just use local-name() so you don´t have to deal with multiple namespace and hope href means a link in various xml dialiects
  285. [15:09:57] <mkaply> And I support that for microformats. I just Xpath the DOM to see if any microformat classes are present
  286. [15:10:09] <mkaply> It would just be much nicer to check one place in the document
  287. [15:10:14] <briansuda> right
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  289. [15:10:19] <mkaply> As it is, the Firefox parsing is goign to slow down web pages.
  290. [15:10:30] <mkaply> The ironic part is pages with no microformats will be slower than pages with
  291. [15:10:46] <briansuda> what about SAX the first bit for detection, and DOM the actual extraction?
  292. [15:11:40] <briansuda> if a binary search for "vcard" returns zero, then don´t bother building a slower DOM
  293. [15:12:05] <mkaply> internally that's how FF 3 will work. We'll have a structure containing all the class names we can do a quick search on.
  294. [15:12:15] <mkaply> But in an extension, all I have is the DOM
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  296. [15:13:52] <briansuda> true
  297. [15:14:37] <briansuda> how to do that for RDFa is another story!
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  300. [15:16:06] <mkaply> yeah. eRDF is easier because it doesn't create triples for invalid data.
  301. [15:16:13] <mkaply> But the RDFa one is. and elias has no time to help
  302. [15:17:28] <briansuda> how does it create triples for invalid data?
  303. [15:17:43] <briansuda> if it is invalid, wouldn't that make it INVALID for RDF?
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  310. [15:25:04] <mkaply> briansuda: you would think. But somehow he gets something
  311. [15:30:10] * mkaply wishes yahoo would actually document their web add to contact API
  312. [15:30:28] * briansuda pokes edsu look time no see, i watched you on google videos give an Atom Publishing Protocol talk
  313. [15:31:02] <briansuda> mkaply, there are a few yahoo folks here, get on 'em to do so!
  314. [15:31:20] <mkaply> They tell me that it might change in the future so they don't want to document it.
  315. [15:31:24] <mkaply> Last time I asked
  316. [15:31:44] <mkaply> They want people to use their other API, but something like Operator can't use it. Because I don't do persistent credentials
  317. [15:32:14] <edsu> briansuda: oh cool, i wish i did a better job on that, should've practices out loud before actually getting up there, didn't cover half of what i wanted -- but oh well
  318. [15:33:58] <briansuda> still, to be in those archives! it is a good intro as well
  319. [15:35:34] <briansuda> mkaply this is to send a contact to an account?
  320. [15:35:51] <mkaply> briansuda: yeah. I have most of the API. I don't know what they use for fax number.
  321. [15:35:56] <edsu> briansuda: thanks, i appreciate that
  322. [15:36:04] <mkaply> wp= is workphone, hp is homephone, mb is cell phone
  323. [15:36:14] <mkaply> mb (Mobile)
  324. [15:36:19] <mkaply> so of couse I guessed Fax
  325. [15:36:20] <mkaply> fx
  326. [15:37:53] <mkaply> Yahoo Local exports to Yahoo contacts as well, but none of the listings have fax numbers for me to look at it :)
  327. [15:38:08] <mkaply> I need to find some yahoo service that intregrates with yahoo contacts that sends a fax number to yahoo contacts
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  332. [15:40:50] <mkaply> briansuda: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392582
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  336. [15:42:14] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  337. [15:42:54] <mkaply> drewinthehead: would you happen to know if the URL API for Yahoo contacts is documented anywhere?
  338. [15:42:55] <drewinthehead> hey
  339. [15:43:22] <drewinthehead> I don't believe that there's any public documentation, mkaply
  340. [15:44:10] <drewinthehead> is it just fax number you're after?
  341. [15:44:17] <drewinthehead> I might be able to find that out
  342. [15:44:26] <drewinthehead> It was mostly trial and error when I did it
  343. [15:46:41] <briansuda> mkaply, that bug report isn't a bug, it is a feature :) if you have nested hCards there is no scope at the moment, so a URL is a URL is a URL, they only get picked-up because everything else is probably a singleton property
  344. [15:47:05] <mkaply> briansuda: I know. I'm starting to hear more and more complaining about that "feature" lately
  345. [15:47:32] <mkaply> drewinthehead: yeah. I figured out everything else mostly. fax is left. I was doing trial and error, but I can't come up with it. fx is way to obvious :)
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  347. [15:47:44] <drewinthehead> have you tried f
  348. [15:47:47] <drewinthehead> ?
  349. [15:48:27] <mkaply> doh!
  350. [15:48:33] <mkaply> that was it.
  351. [15:48:54] * mkaply bows to drewinthehead's great deductive reasoning skills :)
  352. [15:49:19] <drewinthehead> I cheated, mkaply :)
  353. [15:49:40] <drewinthehead> the difficulty is finding an example internally that has a fax number!
  354. [15:49:46] <drewinthehead> (who still uses fax?!)
  355. [15:50:11] <mkaply> That's right. You have an internal address book that probably adds to external yahoo contacts.
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  357. [15:50:34] <drewinthehead> I couldn't possibly reveal that sort of information, but it sounds logical doesn't it? ;)
  358. [15:50:53] * mkaply wonders what other kind of goodies you can find for me
  359. [15:51:26] <drewinthehead> If there's anything else you need to know (obviously that's ok to disclose!) I only have access to this stuff for another 2 weeks.
  360. [15:51:43] * mkaply finds a nice bug. If you don't set a preferred number, it defaults to home. even if you don't have a home phone number
  361. [15:51:50] <mkaply> drewinthehead: you moving on?
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  363. [15:52:33] <drewinthehead> mkaply: yes ... documented here: http://allinthehead.com/retro/314/time-to-take-stock
  364. [15:54:54] <mkaply> drewinthehead: that's my dream job. I can't do web design to save my life. But I can do the back end stuff :) Great idea for a company :)
  365. [15:55:31] <drewinthehead> mkaply: thanks .. really looking forward to it.
  366. [15:59:05] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19814 * ManuSporny * (+542) Problem: Summary Property is Missing -
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  369. [16:01:21] <mkaply> briansuda: so i'll mark that bug invalid. But I understand people's frustration with that
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  371. [16:02:52] <mkaply> drewinthehead: just find someone's incredibly complete address book for me and see if there's anything I haven't figured out :)
  372. [16:03:16] <mkaply> I haven't got AIM id, yahoo ID, stuff like that. I could probably parse those out from the hcard nicely.
  373. [16:05:36] <drewinthehead> mkaply: Yahoo ID is yid
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  377. [16:06:35] <mkaply> briansuda: so i'll mark that bug invalid. But I understand people's frustration with that
  378. [16:06:46] <mkaply> It doesn't seem logical to them
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  380. [16:09:52] <briansuda> i can see how it does not always seem logical
  381. [16:10:10] * drewinthehead does not always seem logical
  382. [16:10:14] <briansuda> to me it makes sense, but i know the before assumptions
  383. [16:13:38] <mkaply> Nesting a vcard in a vcard does seem kind of strange to me
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  385. [16:14:09] <briansuda> there is the AGENT as well, which is nested in a vCard, but i have NEVER seen it used
  386. [16:14:42] <briansuda> then there is attendee, sent to, sent from, ... in iCalendar which is a potential hCard
  387. [16:15:22] <mkaply> briansuda: that's an example where things could go wrong. You could grab the URL for an attende instead of the event
  388. [16:15:44] <mkaply> briansuda: Do you know if there is a good document describing the differences between vcard 2.1 and vcard 3.0? I have the 2.1 spec. I'm going to write a 2.1 specific export for operator
  389. [16:15:58] * briansuda doesn't think that previous edit to haudio was MINOR forgetting a whole property and adding a section gets an "m" revision?
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  391. [16:17:05] * briansuda looks for the link to PIM spec
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  394. [16:19:43] <briansuda> http://www.imc.org/pdi/ (is as old as internet itself)
  395. [16:19:54] <briansuda> they menion 2.1 but seem to reference the 3.0 spec
  396. [16:20:41] <briansuda> hm, they mention hcard too, so there is active development on that site!
  397. [16:25:14] <taaz> briansuda: which edit? the audio-info-issues ones look ok
  398. [16:26:13] <mfbot> [[audio-info-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-issues&diff=0&oldid=19816 * ManuSporny * (+569) Not Specified but Publish hAudio Best Practices Section -
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  401. [16:33:12] <taaz> this operator xpath and node stuff is confusing me. when haudio is in an halbum i'd like to delegate unspecified properties to the halbum container.
  402. [16:34:44] <taaz> i thought i could do something with virtualGetters and Microformats.getParent (with a bit of hacking to just search for hAlbum parent). code not working though.
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  413. [17:02:58] <taaz> mkaply: yeah, that's the theory. which is how people will use this i'm sure. ie, contributor, published date, category, etc in the halbum, and the haudio tracks just specify title and inherit the rest.
  414. [17:03:13] <taaz> or mostly inherit. things like duration don't.
  415. [17:04:17] <mkaply> taaz: So that geo code should work kind of I think. you add a virtualGetter for the attribute in haudio, and if you get hit, look to see if you have an ancestor with the halbum class. If so, use the attribute on the halbum (or even instantiate the halbum and access halbum.property)
  416. [17:04:48] <taaz> mkaply: btw, manu just suggested that the toolbar in data format view should not display unavailable formats rather than just graying them out. same sort of behavior sidebar has.
  417. [17:05:16] <mkaply> I could make that an option.
  418. [17:05:19] <mkaply> that's an intersting idea
  419. [17:06:42] <mkaply> Except you would have a blank toolbar a lot of the time
  420. [17:06:48] <mkaply> Maybe it shuold be a part of autohiding the toolbar
  421. [17:07:23] <taaz> ah. that geo looks like what i need. i think i've been making this too hard.
  422. [17:08:09] <taaz> yeah doesn't make sense to have a blank toolbar
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  475. [20:00:31] <taaz> mkaply: in terms of efficiency and correctness is it better to search for container classes once in a uf constructor function or everytime in virtualGetters?
  476. [20:04:21] <mkaply> I would do it everytime in virtual getters. For data separation sake
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  479. [20:08:12] <taaz> you've got a debug statement in there btw. firebug putting out processSemanticDataDelayed
  480. [20:08:24] <taaz> speaking of... what is that firebug code in operator supposed to do?
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  483. [20:10:18] <taaz> would be kind of nice to have a uf debug options to inspect in the html and dom views
  484. [20:14:36] <mkaply> taaz: I think I removed that (the console thing)
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  486. [20:14:45] <mkaply> Orignally I was going to do some firebug integration to debug firefox
  487. [20:14:50] <mkaply> But I kind of gave up
  488. [20:17:56] <taaz> maybe i need to update.
  489. [20:18:20] <taaz> this inherited halbum->haudio thing is kinda cool.
  490. [20:19:25] <taaz> probably need to put guidelines in the spec for how it should work in parsers
  491. [20:19:36] <mkaply> taaz: yeah. hatom has those specific guidelines
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  504. [20:36:04] <mfbot> [[User talk:JosephSmarr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:JosephSmarr * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
  505. [20:36:20] <mfbot> [[User talk:JosephSmarr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:JosephSmarr&diff=0&oldid=19831 * AndyMabbett * (+1)
  506. [20:36:31] <mfbot> [[User talk:JosephSmarr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:JosephSmarr&diff=0&oldid=19832 * AndyMabbett * (-1)
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  508. [20:47:12] <mfbot> [[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=19833 * JosephSmarr * (+1021)
  509. [20:47:58] <mfbot> [[User:JosephSmarr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JosephSmarr&diff=0&oldid=19834 * JosephSmarr * (+45)
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  515. [21:00:43] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  521. [21:05:33] * KevinMarks is at a talk by the chap who designed jQuery
  522. [21:11:10] <KevinMarks> "embrace removing code"
  523. [21:12:01] * mkaply loves removing code
  524. [21:12:29] * taaz adding code...
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  526. [21:20:05] <KevinMarks> Evolution of a javascript coder, heh
  527. [21:26:39] <taaz> mkaply: is the rel-pattern default text getter supposed to return lots of whitespace?
  528. [21:27:47] <mkaply> IT shouldn't. the default text getter strips white space I thought
  529. [21:28:07] <taaz> i've got <a ... rel="sample">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img.../>\n\t\t\t\t\t</a> or so and a sample property with virtual text prop
  530. [21:28:13] <taaz> and it comes back as \n\t\t\t\t\t\t....
  531. [21:29:16] <mkaply> you're right. bug somewhere
  532. [21:29:30] <mkaply> looking
  533. [21:30:18] <mkaply> duh. Got it
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  535. [21:32:21] <mkaply> Grab a new microformats.js
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  537. [21:33:00] <mkaply> That if check is ugly
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  539. [21:34:36] <taaz> in Microformat.js:1667 you checked in "microfor`mat"
  540. [21:34:55] <mkaply> what line?
  541. [21:35:09] <mkaply> I have no line 1667
  542. [21:35:44] <taaz> ok, 94 then :)
  543. [21:36:36] <mkaply> OK. fixed. And I redid that if statement. I was thinking wrong.
  544. [21:38:06] <mkaply> It's nice to actually have someone else looking at this code and finding my bugs :)
  545. [21:38:32] <taaz> well... i'm mostly looking at the broken result of the code and complaining :)
  546. [21:40:16] <taaz> i've gotten to point where operator is actually slow
  547. [21:42:10] <taaz> i assume this inherited property thing is at fault.
  548. [21:42:55] <mkaply> slow on page loading? Or doing some specific thing?
  549. [21:43:10] <taaz> menus and debug screen
  550. [21:43:40] <mkaply> well, there's one thing I changed that might be causing it. I'm not caching values anymore. You can turn that back on and see if it helps
  551. [21:43:53] <mkaply> Line 586 Microformats.js
  552. [21:43:56] <mkaply> Uncomment those two lines
  553. [21:44:07] <mkaply> Basically in order to get microformats in form elements working, I had to stop caching values
  554. [21:44:15] <mkaply> If you find that's the cause of your slowdown, please let me know
  555. [21:46:14] <taaz> eh? 586 is getMicroformatPropertyGenerator function
  556. [21:46:36] <taaz> oh... nevermind
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  560. [21:51:12] <taaz> hard to tell. it's slow both ways :) perhaps a bit faster with the caching. i'm really not sure
  561. [21:52:16] <taaz> but in other news, converting bitmunk site from haudio albums to halbum took about 3 minutes :)
  562. [21:52:54] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=19835 * ChristianHess * (+113) Examples in the Wild -
  563. [21:53:32] <taaz> we really need to do something about the rel-pattern value when you have image content issue
  564. [21:55:02] <taaz> like now i've got all these stupid menu items like Sample -> Sample #1 ... Sample #12, and since we have two buy options for every track... Buy -> Location #1 ... #24. bleh.
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  567. [21:55:42] * taaz still likes using anchor title idea...
  568. [21:59:35] <mkaply> When the microformats community agrees on something, I'll take it.
  569. [21:59:50] <mkaply> taaz: Although you can do a virtual getter and do whatever you want, you know
  570. [21:59:54] <mkaply> for the text of the rel-sample
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  572. [22:00:31] <mfbot> [[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=19836 * ChristianHess * (+230) Examples in the wild -
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  613. [23:23:56] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  617. [23:26:40] <segfaux> Is it valid to enclose an hcard with the <address> element? I'm getting validation errors regarding the nested <div>s.
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  622. [23:33:02] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  623. [23:40:34] <segfaux> small test case: http://segfaux.com/test.html , validation results: http://urltea.com/191m
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