IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-09-21
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[[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21514 * Chris Messina * (+543)
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[[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21515 * Tantek * (+1295) moved Frames section to be a subsection of Identity Consolidation which it is a part of. added notes about workaround frame elements' lack of rel attribute.
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- [02:36:32] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
sorry my bad english
- [02:37:04] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
what the best? rel="icon" or rel="shortcut icon" ?
- [02:37:26] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
in link stylesheet
- [02:37:31] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
in the head
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<factoryjoe> for what?
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<factoryjoe> that doesn't really have to do with microformats
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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ooh
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & now credentialed as a social genius
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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ddfreyne is Denis Defreyne and blogs at http://stoneship.org/.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek: fyi - http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml is full of spam
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madness, yeah, that wiki runs on MoinMoin and is very difficult to keep clean of spam - the revision history UI only goes back so far: http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml?action=info
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pembertona is Andy Pemberton and is online at www.andypemberton.com
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- [15:54:22] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
sorry my bad english
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- [15:55:07] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
anyone knows any blooger|blogspot template with microformats compliant:?
- [15:55:31] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
preferely an blank theme, without styles, only tags
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- [16:10:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
what signifify "fn" in hcard?
- [16:10:09] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i read but not understand..
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- [16:12:53] <tantek_>
MAKACOW-Brazil - what do you mean by "signify"?
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- [16:36:41] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
"it means" :P
- [16:37:00] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: ^
- [16:37:25] <mkaply>
MAKACOW-Brazil: full name
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- [16:37:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
my english is very poor :P
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- [16:39:11] <mkaply>
tantek: You were in austin
- [16:39:18] <mkaply>
why didn't you tell me?
- [16:39:34] <tantek>
mkaply I did! I sent you email as did Silona, the organizer of the conference
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what it means*
- [16:39:46] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
fn in hcard
- [16:39:52] <mkaply>
tantek: I never got it! ARGH
- [16:39:56] <tantek>
tried to get you to come - it was a bit last minute but
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doh!
- [16:40:16] <mkaply>
Actually, now that I think about it I was probably on vacation. But I still never got the emails. Weird
- [16:40:23] <tantek>
mkaply, i used your us.ibm.com address - do you have a better address or IM?
- [16:40:50] <mkaply>
ibm should have worked. I sent you the others
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crappy spam filters
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- [16:41:30] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
mkaply: tnx :P
- [16:41:40] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
thanks*
- [16:41:59] <tantek>
MAKACOW-Brazil, "fn" in hCard, comes from vCard, RFC 2426, "fn" = formatted name
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- [16:42:06] <mkaply>
tantek: yeah, I was on a cruise. Maybe next time :)
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- [16:45:09] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
nwe google's orkut interface was "semanticated" :P lol
- [16:45:24] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
new*
- [16:46:29] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
previously his layout was build in tables
- [16:46:46] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
in brazyl orkut are most popular
- [16:47:47] <[-IGOR-]>
is very popular :p
- [16:48:28] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
orkut are showed in tv news always
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- [16:56:28] <tantek>
MAKACOW-Brazil, do you have a URL discussing Orkut's new interface? Including its semanticization?
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- [17:42:11] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: no
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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- [18:21:19] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
tantek: http://www.leonardopessoa.com/2007/08/analise-do-novo-layout-do-orkut/
- [18:21:35] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
talking aobut the apareance only, not the code
- [18:21:47] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
about*
- [18:23:25] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
so, previously the sidebar are used tables, now uses div floats, anyone can see this in the code, i have an .html from the old layout saved here
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- [18:24:32] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i am making an usercss to turn back the old skin for orkut
- [18:27:29] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
i make other usercss to new orkut, called "morangut" (morango(strawberry on brazilian)+orkut) (pink orkut) and "orkuteado" (orkut in greyscale)
- [18:27:37] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
they can found in userstyles.org
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kingryan is ryan king
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- [19:07:06] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-description-format-brainstorming
- [19:07:18] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
^ broken links
- [19:07:29] <kingryan>
it's a wiki :)
- [19:08:09] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
(H2) Theoretical examples
- [19:09:08] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
"See here(404 error) or there(404 error) for a rendered version of this example." :(
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- [19:33:18] <mfbot>
[[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21516 * Tantek * (+472) use example.org URLs for hypothetical examples, and use nowiki tags to avoid auto-hyperlinking.
- [19:33:50] <tantek>
MAKACOW-Brazil, there are two things going on there
- [19:34:10] <mfbot>
[[blog-description-format-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=blog-description-format-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=21517 * Tantek * (+17) nowiki example.org
- [19:34:23] <tantek>
first there is the problem of example.org links being hyperlinked by mediawiki.
- [19:34:29] <tantek>
I fixed one, but you are welcome to fix others.
- [19:34:43] <tantek>
In addition I have provided a guidelines for this so that it is hopefully less of a problem in the future: http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-play #22
- [19:35:12] <tantek>
second, there is the problem of old links going bad.
- [19:35:54] <tantek>
does anyone have a suggestion (e.g. a reference to an existing convention) for how to markup links that used to work but currently don't? i'd prefer to keep the links rather than remove them, as the problems may be transient failures for example.
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- [19:37:19] <kingryan>
tantek: I'm not aware of any conventions, but my first idea would be to add a {{BrokenLink}} template after the link
- [19:37:28] <kingryan>
then we can also get a list of pages w/ broken links
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- [19:57:23] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
kingryan: great, like http://microformats.org/wiki/delete
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21518 * AndyMabbett * (+41) merge dupe sections
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=21519 * AndyMabbett * (+159) Multiple microformats - Motorway Services Info
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�
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[[presentational-html]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentational-html&diff=0&oldid=21520 * Tantek * (+138) completed list of presentational elements, grouped by deprecated
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- [21:10:07] <VAMPirela>
MAKACOW-Brazil: vc caiu l� no canal?
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tantek: what about @style as a presentational attribute?
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style itself is not really a presentational attribute, but rather a container for a style language
- [21:31:23] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
VAMPirela: yes, irc://irc.quakenet.org/BugsNoOrkut
- [21:32:14] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
opera show rules :P
- [21:32:45] <MAKACOW-Brazil>
( media presentation )
- [21:38:25] <hober>
I'm thinking of presentational attributes from an intent perspective: what was the intent of the author? For @style, I think the authorial intent is always to affect presentational change, right?
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[[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21521 * AndyMabbett * (+19) Accessibility -
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[[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21522 * Tantek * (+30)
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[[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21523 * AndyMabbett * (-4) .net. & .org
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[[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21524 * Tantek * (+4) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=21525 * Tantek * (-2) there is no need to complicate the guideline for theoretical URLs with additional options
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