IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-04

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  4. [00:10:55] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  25. [01:29:08] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  32. [02:50:32] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  60. [05:21:46] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  61. [05:47:57] <mfbot> [[events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp&diff=0&oldid=25357 * Tantek * (+153) moved anti-patterns to sessions section, add hAtom
  62. [05:49:18] <mfbot> [[events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp&diff=0&oldid=25358 * Tantek * (+63)
  63. [05:51:19] <mfbot> [[events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-02-01-sgfoocamp&diff=0&oldid=25359 * Tantek * (+33)
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  65. [06:17:27] <mfbot> [[misconceptions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=misconceptions&diff=0&oldid=25360 * Tantek * (+531) added misconception re: context vs namespaces
  66. [06:24:24] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25361 * Tantek * (+468) noted problem of use of "title" for the name of a citation item
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  69. [07:13:56] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  70. [07:24:12] <mfbot> [[events/2008-london-microformats-vevent]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-london-microformats-vevent&diff=0&oldid=25362 * SpikeUK * (+27) Attending -
  71. [07:43:34] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25363 * Tantek * (+721) problems - in general, do not put arbitrary invisible data in the class attribute - anti-pattern
  72. [07:48:55] <mfbot> [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-supporting-user-profiles&diff=0&oldid=25364 * Tantek * (-4) dopplr icon
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  78. [08:00:04] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  80. [08:11:17] <mfbot> [[events/2008-02-16-semanticcamplondon]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-02-16-semanticcamplondon&diff=0&oldid=25365 * SpikeUK * (+26) Attending - Me to!
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  82. [08:48:30] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  84. [08:52:20] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25366 * AndyMabbett * (+267) class name not arbitrary data
  85. [08:52:56] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25367 * AndyMabbett * (-2)
  86. [08:53:42] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25368 * AndyMabbett * (-58) fmt
  87. [08:56:53] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25369 * AndyMabbett * (+225) more
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  89. [09:04:04] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25370 * AndyMabbett * (+296) title - problems with "fn"
  90. [09:04:45] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25371 * AndyMabbett * (-2) title - fmt OL
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  92. [09:09:06] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  94. [09:19:31] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  98. [09:55:04] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  102. [10:40:35] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  104. [10:45:00] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25372 * WebOrganics * (+184) Cons: -
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  106. [10:46:24] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  117. [12:44:10] <mfbot> [[abbr-design-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=abbr-design-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=25374 * PaTrick * (+17) Issues -
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  119. [13:07:37] <mfbot> [[User talk:PaTrick]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:PaTrick * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
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  129. [14:14:00] <mfbot> [[Talk:rel-tag-spaces]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:rel-tag-spaces * Vc0Mp9 * (+12188)
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  133. [14:26:20] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  137. [16:01:50] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  139. [16:16:43] <mfbot> [[hreview-creator-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-creator-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25378 * TravisHardiman * (+451) Bug Reports -
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  141. [16:22:06] <mfbot> [[hreview-creator-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-creator-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25379 * TravisHardiman * (+179) added lines of code
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  143. [16:32:08] <InsomniaCity> How are you supposed to represent embedded B encoded stuff in an hCard?
  144. [16:32:15] <InsomniaCity> The spec doesn't mention encoding
  145. [16:33:16] <InsomniaCity> or binary
  146. [16:36:55] <InsomniaCity> Also, is the intention for the agent property that you say class="agent vcard", and proceed with a new hCard?
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  148. [16:49:26] <BobJonkman> InsomniaCity: hCards are meant to mark up stuff that's already visible to the user, so there should never be B64 or binary stuff. It's already represented as an image, sound clip, or whateverf
  149. [16:49:43] <InsomniaCity> data: URIs are visible to the user
  150. [16:50:20] <BobJonkman> Sure, so that's identified with the "url" class
  151. [16:51:11] <BobJonkman> eg. <span class="url">http://microformats.com</span>
  152. [16:51:59] <BobJonkman> or better, <a class="url" href="http://microformats.com">Microformat Web Site</a>
  153. [16:52:40] <BobJonkman> (sorry, bad example text. Should have been http://microformats.org
  154. [16:52:45] <InsomniaCity> OK, but I'm more thinking about something like <img src="data:DEADBEEF" class="photo" alt="Me!" />
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  157. [16:52:52] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  158. [16:55:44] <BobJonkman> As an hCard, that would more likely appear on a Web page as <img class="photo" src="http://spam.deadbeef.com/bl/deadcow.gif" alt="Me!">
  159. [16:57:25] <BobJonkman> The hCard microformat marks up an (existing) Web page. I don't think there's a documented mechanism to construct a Web page from an arbitrary vCard
  160. [16:58:58] <InsomniaCity> heh
  161. [16:59:10] <InsomniaCity> which may relate to my second question too
  162. [17:01:23] <mfbot> [[User:DavidJanes:hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:DavidJanes:hcard&diff=0&oldid=25380 * RyanKing * (-12123) Reverted edit of BfkJde, changed back to last version by DavidJanes
  163. [17:01:49] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) deleted "User:DavidJanes:hcard": content was: 'delete me please oh admin'
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  167. [17:05:03] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  168. [17:05:43] <BobJonkman> I don't think there's anything wrong with your DEADBEEF example, it's just very uncommon to have data: in a Web page like that. Should work, tho.
  169. [17:06:36] <BobJonkman> Can someone point me to the "data:" scheme documentation? No mention of it in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1630
  170. [17:07:23] <InsomniaCity> google indicates 2397
  171. [17:07:56] <BobJonkman> My google-fu is low
  172. [17:08:11] <BobJonkman> Thanx!
  173. [17:12:50] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25381 * Tantek * (+243) debunked misconception about "fn". removed general reference to mailing list. created separate section for "fn" as alternate title.
  174. [17:18:56] <tantek> BobJonkman, it is uncommon to use data: URIs in <img>s because I don't think it is supported in Internet Explorer.
  175. [17:19:15] <BenWard> Neither IE6 nor IE7 support data:
  176. [17:19:17] <tantek> I believe Hixie has a generator for data: URIs, as well as several example pages using them.
  177. [17:19:46] <BenWard> IE8 — based on the Acid2 pass claim — will. Although presumable only in the opt-in rendering mode.
  178. [17:20:01] <tantek> use of data: URIs in <img>s is valid, and Brian Suda's X2V will for example convert such an hCard photo as mentioned above into inline binary data in the output vCard.
  179. [17:20:29] <tantek> I think Brian's hCard itself on his page at suda.co.uk uses a data: URI.
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  183. [17:31:13] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25382 * Tantek * (+1237) noted request to name proposals by tech aspects rather than people (likely new guideline), removed simple contradiction to problem statement which simply wasted time/space, added longer explanation
  184. [17:32:43] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25383 * Tantek * (+5) TOC-right
  185. [17:39:19] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25384 * Tantek * (+241) moved related user pages to a contributors section, moving to brainstorming, more consistent with [[process]]
  186. [17:44:11] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25385 * Tantek * (+193) no need to sign logically reasoned statements, elaborated on please avoid simple contradictory
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  192. [18:18:02] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25387 * Tantek * (+1280) added how-to-play-guideline of avoiding simple contradictory responses, and provided example of bad behavior to avoid, as well as better behavior
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  197. [18:22:53] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25388 * Tantek * (+580) Avoid labeling proposals with people's names. use some technical aspect of the proposal instead.
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  208. [19:17:10] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer at http://edgeofmyseat.com
  209. [19:28:24] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25390 * AndyMabbett * (+326) restore my comment; respond
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  214. [19:29:10] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25391 * AndyMabbett * (+6) Guidelines - emphasis
  215. [19:31:11] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25392 * AndyMabbett * (+43) for clarity
  216. [19:34:53] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25393 * AndyMabbett * (+1) s
  217. [19:38:09] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25394 * AndyMabbett * (-12) ername as reqiested and once again restore a deleted comment; add name as contributor
  218. [19:43:25] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25395 * AndyMabbett * (+112) fn - citation as promised.
  219. [19:44:51] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25396 * AndyMabbett * (-77) fn - copy edit
  220. [19:45:42] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25397 * AndyMabbett * (+6) fn - {{RFC2426}}
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  223. [19:57:29] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25398 * Tantek * (+123) remove unnecessary emphasis, move logically reasoned disagreement to encouragement to sign, and note explicit non-requirement.
  224. [20:02:00] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25399 * AndyMabbett * (+441) On wasting others time
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  226. [20:05:16] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25400 * Tantek * (+229) remove simple contradictory comment (again) per [[how-to-play#avoid-simple-contradictions]], remove empty statement, note key differences between href/data and class attributes.
  227. [20:06:27] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25401 * Tantek * (-441) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by Tantek
  228. [20:10:33] <mfbot> [[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25402 * Tantek * (+344) noted clarification of microformats' re-use of vocabulary from existing standards
  229. [20:12:04] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25403 * Tantek * (-1) prev revert was to remove an unnecessary guideline that would undesirably raise the barrier to useful participation and dialog
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  233. [20:25:47] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25405 * Lee Jordan * (+81) Measure -
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  239. [20:39:07] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25409 * Lee Jordan * (+74) Measure -
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  242. [20:44:19] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25411 * Lee Jordan * (+142) Measure -
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  245. [20:44:31] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  246. [20:46:06] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25412 * Lee Jordan * (+19) Measure -
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  249. [20:54:23] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25413 * Lee Jordan * (+352) Additional Suggestions -
  250. [20:55:39] <mfbot> [[User talk:Lee Jordan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Jordan * AndyMabbett * (+72) Welcome!
  251. [20:59:05] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-authoring&diff=0&oldid=25414 * AndyMabbett * (-93) Eliminating Default Dotted Underline - rm subjective comment; fmt
  252. [21:02:52] <mfbot> [[User:Lee Jordan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Lee_Jordan * Lee Jordan * (+602)
  253. [21:03:33] <mfbot> [[css]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=css&diff=0&oldid=25415 * AndyMabbett * (+385) abbr
  254. [21:08:24] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25416 * AndyMabbett * (+126) restore and expand comemnt; avoid illustrative class name in case that is the cause of confusion/. Kindly cease removing or changing my comments.
  255. [21:10:50] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25417 * AndyMabbett * (+72) Measure - vote to complete "measure" first
  256. [21:12:06] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25418 * AndyMabbett * (+29) good faith
  257. [21:14:12] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25419 * AndyMabbett * (+30) restore rest of my comment.
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  259. [21:26:34] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-issues * AndyMabbett * (+143) framework
  260. [21:27:30] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25420 * Tantek * (+243) better to avoid personalization of logical reasoned statements, even in discussions.
  261. [21:27:36] <mfbot> [[Template:haudio-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:haudio-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=25421 * AndyMabbett * (+65) update
  262. [21:34:22] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25422 * AndyMabbett * (+891) position
  263. [21:36:38] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25423 * AndyMabbett * (+344) another; will expand later
  264. [21:38:44] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25424 * AndyMabbett * (+357) +1
  265. [21:39:10] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25425 * AndyMabbett * (+1) ]
  266. [21:41:42] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25426 * AndyMabbett * (+418) +1
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  268. [21:44:43] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25427 * AndyMabbett * (+736) rel-license
  269. [21:48:04] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25428 * AndyMabbett * (+647) more
  270. [21:49:30] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25429 * AndyMabbett * (+242) shorten links
  271. [21:50:52] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25430 * AndyMabbett * (+172) 2008 - link
  272. [21:54:53] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25431 * AndyMabbett * (+246) 2008 - expand
  273. [21:56:09] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25432 * AndyMabbett * (+52) 2008 - expand
  274. [22:00:00] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25433 * AndyMabbett * (+308) 2008 - expand
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  277. [22:06:42] <mfbot> [[type]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/type * AndyMabbett * (+105) a start...
  278. [22:07:08] <mfbot> [[types]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/types * AndyMabbett * (+18) redirect
  279. [22:08:34] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/namespaces-inconsistency * ManuSporny * (+3993) Initial edit
  280. [22:10:25] <mfbot> [[type]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25434 * Tantek * (+100) type subproperty of a few hCard properties
  281. [22:10:46] <mfbot> [[type]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25435 * Tantek * (+0)
  282. [22:18:24] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+3993) namespaces-inconsistency moved to namespaces-inconsistency-issue
  283. [22:21:07] <mfbot> [[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=25436 * AndyMabbett * (+262) Miscellaneous issues - namespaces-inconsistency-issue
  284. [22:22:58] <mfbot> [[content-type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=content-type&diff=0&oldid=25437 * AndyMabbett * (+127) should be used
  285. [22:23:49] <mfbot> [[type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25438 * AndyMabbett * (+68) used when linking to audio files, PDF files, and other attachments
  286. [22:24:10] <mfbot> [[type]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=type&diff=0&oldid=25439 * AndyMabbett * (+6) embolden
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  288. [22:26:42] <mfbot> [[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=25440 * AndyMabbett * (+21) type
  289. [22:28:43] <mfbot> [[glossary]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=25441 * AndyMabbett * (+71) 2x type
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  293. [22:33:58] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25442 * ManuSporny * (+24) 2008 -
  294. [22:46:01] <mfbot> [[xmdp-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xmdp-faq&diff=0&oldid=25443 * Tantek * (+817) added FAQs, XMDP GRDDL different, XMDP does not define typical namespaces - e.g. see overrides.
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  297. [22:46:53] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  299. [22:52:08] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25444 * Tantek * (+39) add id for permalinking
  300. [23:00:33] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=25445 * Tantek * (+158) note all bad uf-discuss topics are bad for uf-new as well.
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  302. [23:07:36] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  306. [23:16:35] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25446 * AndyMabbett * (+500) boilerplate
  307. [23:20:21] <mfbot> [[representative-hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=representative-hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=25447 * AndyMabbett * (+634) boilerplate
  308. [23:20:27] <mfbot> [[haudio-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-issues&diff=0&oldid=25448 * AndyMabbett * (+86) more accessible
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  311. [23:28:59] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25450 * Tantek * (+188) note Danny Ayers's resolution of questions, possible inconsistencies/issues
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  314. [23:35:36] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=25451 * AndyMabbett * (+768) "n" optimsation: not for places
  315. [23:39:27] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25452 * AndyMabbett * (+162) revised proposal for places
  316. [23:40:16] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=25453 * AndyMabbett * (+18) fmt
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  319. [23:44:27] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=25454 * AndyMabbett * (-4) more precise source
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  322. [23:51:50] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=25455 * AndyMabbett * (+17) clarify
  323. [23:54:01] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=25456 * AndyMabbett * (+44) fmt
  324. [23:56:42] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=25457 * AndyMabbett * (+419) notes

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