IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-05

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  2. [00:19:41] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  5. [00:34:07] <mfbot> [[audio-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=audio-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=25458 * AndyMabbett * (+879) Naxos
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  10. [00:45:24] <Nozavroni> this may not be the right channel to ask this on, but you guys will probably know
  11. [00:45:44] <Nozavroni> I have a list of contacts in a database
  12. [00:46:13] <Nozavroni> I want my client to be able to simply download ONE file and have it be importable into outlook, or firebird, or whatever other email clients there are
  13. [00:46:26] <Nozavroni> possible? if so, what format? if not, what formats?
  14. [00:47:02] <Nozavroni> can you put multiple addresses on one vcard?
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  19. [01:17:34] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25459 * AndyMabbett * (-64) Accessibility - aids people, not devices
  20. [01:19:00] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25460 * AndyMabbett * (+79) Accessibility - PDF
  21. [01:23:31] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=25461 * AndyMabbett * (+247) Accessibility - WCAG
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  35. [03:43:23] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25462 * ManuSporny * (+874) History -
  36. [03:45:55] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25463 * ManuSporny * (+178) Resolution -
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  40. [04:45:08] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  64. [07:22:07] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  66. [07:38:38] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  82. [08:41:59] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  85. [09:06:44] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  92. [09:48:23] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  98. [10:01:55] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=25464 * AndreasLappe * (-320) Q&A -
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  102. [10:29:57] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  103. [10:43:07] <mfbot> [[content-type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=content-type&diff=0&oldid=25465 * Brian * (-3) Switched SHOULD to MAY, the publisher does not always have control over the end media, much like hreflang the end site does not have to honor the publisher declarations
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  105. [10:43:15] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  108. [10:43:47] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
  109. [10:44:26] <InsomniaCity> julianstahnke: creature in today? :P
  110. [10:44:57] <julianstahnke> You mean Alex? not yet.
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  112. [11:04:03] <mfbot> [[content-type]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=content-type&diff=0&oldid=25466 * AndyMabbett * (+23) reword to emphasise recommendation
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  115. [11:40:57] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  116. [12:23:40] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=25467 * DavidJanes * (+631) what about hAtom
  117. [12:24:36] <mfbot> [[namespaces-considered-harmful]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-considered-harmful&diff=0&oldid=25468 * DavidJanes * (-2)
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  120. [12:29:43] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  126. [13:59:47] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  130. [14:42:44] <Ketsuban> Is it a valid hCard if I have the nickname property inside the n property? I've quite often seen names formatted like this (e.g. Kyle "The Yellow Dart" Smith) and I'm curious to know if it's legal.
  131. [14:55:50] <mef> just try =]
  132. [14:57:59] <mef> cant you just put ity as <given-name /><nickname /><family-name /> , Ketsuban
  133. [14:59:36] <mef> nevermind
  134. [14:59:38] <mef> lol
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  136. [15:00:10] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  143. [15:21:28] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25469 * ManuSporny * (+1066) Definitions -
  144. [15:22:34] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25470 * ManuSporny * (-17) Brief Definitions -
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  146. [15:38:30] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
  147. [15:54:16] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25471 * ManuSporny * (+2685)
  148. [15:59:03] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25472 * ManuSporny * (+268) Brief Definitions -
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  155. [16:18:49] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  158. [16:26:06] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25474 * TobyInk * (-9) alternatives to using a or object -
  159. [16:26:37] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25475 * TobyInk * (-311) alternatives to using a or object -
  160. [16:27:16] <InsomniaCity> hCard has parsing exceptions for <a>,<object>,<img> and <abbr>... but hCalendar only seems to have them for abbr. Is this correct?
  161. [16:28:58] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25476 * ManuSporny * (+150) Required Changes -
  162. [16:32:25] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25477 * AndyMabbett * (+426) blockquote is semantically correct; allow lines to wrap (styles may need tweaking)
  163. [16:34:26] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25478 * AndyMabbett * (-76) Brief Definitions - wiki formatting
  164. [16:34:57] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25479 * TobyInk * (+998) problems with ordered ids in class - reply point 1
  165. [16:35:23] <mfbot> [[namespaces-inconsistency-issue]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=namespaces-inconsistency-issue&diff=0&oldid=25480 * AndyMabbett * (+83) Definitions - misssed one!
  166. [16:36:44] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25481 * TobyInk * (+526) problems with ordered ids in class -
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  169. [16:37:41] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  170. [16:43:51] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25482 * AndyMabbett * (+37) Simple class name - sign
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  190. [18:16:10] <tommorris> tantek - danbri posted this link on #foaf - https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav - wondering if you and/or other microformateers are involved in the IETF vCard work
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  192. [18:16:53] <danbri> it looks quite healthily spec'd ... they're going out getting feedback from people who deployed extensions etc
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  202. [18:55:45] <mkaply> is this valid?
  203. [18:55:46] <mkaply> <SPAN title="30.267991;-97.739568" class="geo fn">Mike Kaply</SPAN>
  204. [18:56:08] <mkaply> no it's not. abbr
  205. [18:56:45] <BenWard> Under current patterns, I don't think that's valid no
  206. [18:56:59] <BenWard> Both geo and fn would come out as ‘Mike Kaply’
  207. [18:57:16] <mkaply> even as an abbr that's wrong. It would pick out fn as the geo coords
  208. [18:57:40] <mkaply> I'm trying to remember what the case is where the "title" of a geo should be the title of the hCard
  209. [18:57:45] <mkaply> not the contents of the geo
  210. [18:58:47] <mkaply> I think the only case for that is when you specify the geo like this
  211. [18:58:51] <mkaply> <abbr class="geo" title="30.267991;-97.739568"></abbr>
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  240. [20:15:04] <mfbot> [[xfn-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-faq&diff=0&oldid=25495 * Tantek * (+469) added how do I markup location info (based on 2 questions from Twitter)
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  249. [20:41:01] <mfbot> [[xfn-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-faq&diff=0&oldid=25498 * Tantek * (+549) add How do you do autodiscovery of XFN q from Twitter
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  277. [22:25:46] <mfbot> [[xfn-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-issues&diff=0&oldid=25502 * AndyMabbett * (-33) 2008 - reopened "guardian" issue#
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  284. [22:30:39] <mfbot> [[xfn-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-issues&diff=0&oldid=25504 * AndyMabbett * (+291) 2008 - reopen possible solution to "parent" overloading issue
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  291. [22:37:01] <mfbot> [[xfn-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-issues&diff=0&oldid=25506 * Tantek * (-244) remove REJECTION THEORETICAL and REOPENING per URL provided, collapse into existing issue follow-up, edit.
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  298. [22:55:44] <mfbot> [[User talk:DylanHayes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DylanHayes * AndyMabbett * (+152) Welcome!
  299. [22:57:21] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=25507 * AndyMabbett * (+49) Success: sharemyroutes.com
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  301. [23:04:18] <mfbot> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=existing-rel-values&diff=0&oldid=25508 * Tantek * (+889) note FOAF "meta" value. old proposed HTML 4.0 link types didn't make it into HTML4.0 REC were thus dropped, moved them accordingly. do not add values from obsolete/superceded drafts to formats table.
  302. [23:08:54] <mfbot> [[rel values]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel_values&diff=0&oldid=25509 * Tantek * (+9)
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  315. [23:36:34] <mfbot> [[xfn-clarifications]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=0&oldid=25512 * RyanKing * (+181) adding clarification about xfn and redirects
  316. [23:36:43] <kingryan> tantek: ^
  317. [23:39:33] <InsomniaCity> anyone see my question up there about parsing exceptions?
  318. [23:43:36] <mfbot> [[xfn-clarifications]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=0&oldid=25513 * AndyMabbett * (+1) typo
  319. [23:44:08] <tantek> kingryan any thoughts on 301 vs 302? I think some search engines may distinguish.
  320. [23:44:54] <kingryan> tantek: i'm inclined to say it doesn't matter
  321. [23:45:10] <kingryan> and I don't think most SE's distinguish
  322. [23:45:18] <kingryan> at least from people I've talked to that work for the big ones
  323. [23:45:38] <tantek> ok. another way to document this is to simply declare that HTTP redirects imply a "me" relationship.
  324. [23:45:57] <tantek> from resource requested to resource redirected to
  325. [23:46:42] <mfbot> [[xfnfaq]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xfnfaq * Tantek * (+21)
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  330. [23:55:05] <hober> consider <a rel="some-xfn-value" href="http://an.example.com/">blah</a>
  331. [23:55:20] <hober> http://an.example.com/ redirects to http://another.example.com/
  332. [23:55:56] <tantek> treat that as if http://an.example.com/ had a hyperlink <a href="http://another.example.com/" rel="me">...</a>
  333. [23:57:00] <hober> I was going to say that the permanent redirect case could imply <a rel="some-xfn-value" href="http://another.example.com/">blah</a> for the original page
  334. [23:57:07] <hober> but I think there's a potential security issue there
  335. [23:57:20] <tantek> right
  336. [23:57:35] <tantek> i think the simple/predictable thing is to just do redirect implies a one-way rel-me
  337. [23:57:52] <tantek> as noted above
  338. [23:58:14] <kingryan> that means to get ID consolidation you have to link back to the source of the redirect?
  339. [23:58:26] <hober> say an attacker takes over an.example.com and redirects to another.example.com
  340. [23:58:56] <hober> maybe a one-way-rel-me could be implied, like you're saying, but have it be implied from another.example.com to an.example.com
  341. [23:59:27] <hober> that way the attacker, who presumably controls another.example.com, doesn't gain anything by redirecting an.example.com
  342. [23:59:53] <InsomniaCity> hCard has parsing exceptions for <a>,<object>,<img> and <abbr>... but hCalendar only seems to have them for abbr. Is this correct?

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