IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-12
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[[haudio]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25666 * ManuSporny * (+96) Replaced FN with TITLE per the microformats-new mailing list discussion
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[[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25667 * ManuSporny * (-9) Formatted Name -
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[[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25668 * ManuSporny * (+19) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
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[[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25669 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+2564) Added two alternatives to include-pattern
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[[include-pattern-strawman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25670 * Guillaume Lebleu * (-6) Use property inheritance from groups, explicit group/member referencing and implicit property relations (by containment) -
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[[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25671 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+45) contributors -
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[[Template:currency-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:currency-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=25672 * OneTa6 * (+11362)
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[[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=25673 * WebOrganics * (+3)
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[Template:currency-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:currency-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=25674 * RyanKing * (-11362) Reverted edit of OneTa6, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25675 * BenWard * (-676) Big update. Updated both Hyperlink and OBJECT patterns to reflect accessibility testing results. Removed opinion (please keep that to -issues pages). Spec is now up-to-date based on current knowledge.
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Bloody hell that took a long time to edit properly…
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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[[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25676 * ManuSporny * (+0) bump version number from 0.8 to 0.9
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25677 * BenWard * (+189) Added explicit point about class names on the include element, in response to Mike Kaply's open issue
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[[Template:ClosedIssue]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:ClosedIssue * BenWard * (+114) Added 'closed issue' marker template
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[[include-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=25678 * BenWard * (+123) Include-Pattern Issues - Marking Mike Kapley's issue closed
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25679 * BenWard * (-17) Clarified that the include-pattern is a design-pattern, resolves issue in -feedback
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25680 * BenWard * (+1316) Updated feedback page to address issues. In future, we need to keep tighter separation between something being feedback and an issue itself.
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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[[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=25681 * AndyMabbett * (+298) Some challenges in current DataPortability trends
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25682 * AndyMabbett * (+6) move temapltes frmo headings to body text to declutter and preserve permalinks
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[[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25683 * AndyMabbett * (+33) template
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25684 * AndyMabbett * (+125) templates and formatting
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25685 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Object - remove fragment --------------- !! presume "is" not "was" is correct !!
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[[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25686 * AndyMabbett * (+25) notes and issues - copy edit; templates
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[[Talk:hcard-cheatsheet-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-cheatsheet-fr * Uz9Kwn * (+11265)
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * BenWard * (+0) deleted "Talk:hcard-cheatsheet-fr": Spaaaaaaaah. aaaaaaaaah. aaaaah. aaaah. aaam.
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * BenWard * (+0) blocked "User:Uz9Kwn" with an expiry time of indefinite: Spa (ah ah ah) mmer
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=25687 * Nelix * (+33) Added my self
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[[User talk:Nelix]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Nelix * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
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[[User:Nelix]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Nelix * Nelix * (+32)
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[[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=25688 * Brian * (+131) re-ordered date´s and added more context
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Out of curiosity, is there any momentum towards updating the hAtom spec to deal with some of the remaining open issues? Specifically feed-level metadata.
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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mkaply: Hi Mike. Couple of parsing/operator questions for you if I may?
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BenWard: sure
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Both from a co-worker of mine who's implementing a lot of hCalendar at the minute.
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Where a single hEvent exists in a page and has no explicit URL, is there an optimisation to take the URL of the page as the URL and/or UID for the event?
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No, that's not a standard optimization. Upcoming, for example, adds the URL in the description when it does the export
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OK. And second up, more of a feature request for Operator, but when parsing things like description text, it would be beneficial to have and ABBR/ACRONYM expanded into plain text: For example ‘Sub’ for ‘Subtitles}
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Which loses a lot of context when reduced down to plain text.
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And along similar lines, where there are URLs inside the description text, to expand the HREF of the URL into the text as well — in parentheses, probably
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So you're saying if there is an ABBR tag in a description, it should be expanded when we get the description?
- [15:44:32] <mkaply>
That would be an issue to bring up with the microformats folk.
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Yes. Or the expansion should be provided in the first instance of an ABBR
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I don't think it's a microformats issue, it's just about making better sense of the HTML when converting to plain text
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#Plain_Text_Formatting_of_Structural.2FSemantic_HTML
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This is actually a very painful problem.
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In Firefox 3 I'm gonig to try to use their text parser (right now I just grab text content)
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per thje spec
- [15:51:38] <BenWard>
Ah, I didn't realise we were trying to spec text parsing as well. Hmm.
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mkaply: Is there a way to hide/remove a piece of content from within a descrption, but still be displayed in the page?
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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BenWard: you would use class="value" as the children of the description to only indicate which parts you wanted
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[[Talk:product]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:product * UagNzm * (+11728)
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jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RyanKing * (+0) blocked "User:UagNzm" with an expiry time of indefinite: spam
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kingryan is ryan king
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[[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=25689 * AndyMabbett * (+127) Recent - restore critisism
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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finke is Chris Finke from Mahalo (http://chrisfinke.com/)
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[[haudio-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-fr&diff=0&oldid=25690 * ChristopheDucamp * (+416) [fr:sync'd with english version]
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[[audio-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+186) [fr:sync'd with english version]
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danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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if anyone is bored, i'd love some comments on my tumblr theme (hAtom, rel)
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the style is crap though :/
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[[haudio-cheatsheet-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet-fr&diff=0&oldid=25691 * ChristopheDucamp * (+600) [fr:sync'd with english version - changed fn to title in Notes -> to be peer-reviewed]
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[[haudio-cheatsheet-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet-fr&diff=0&oldid=25692 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4)
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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