IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-02-12

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  2. [00:08:55] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
  3. [00:16:06] <mfbot> [[haudio]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25666 * ManuSporny * (+96) Replaced FN with TITLE per the microformats-new mailing list discussion
  4. [00:16:58] <mfbot> [[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25667 * ManuSporny * (-9) Formatted Name -
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  6. [00:27:57] <mfbot> [[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25668 * ManuSporny * (+19) hAudio Microformat Draft Specification -
  7. [00:28:48] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25669 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+2564) Added two alternatives to include-pattern
  8. [00:29:34] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25670 * Guillaume Lebleu * (-6) Use property inheritance from groups, explicit group/member referencing and implicit property relations (by containment) -
  9. [00:30:10] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-strawman&diff=0&oldid=25671 * Guillaume Lebleu * (+45) contributors -
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  12. [00:39:32] <mfbot> [[Template:currency-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:currency-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=25672 * OneTa6 * (+11362)
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  14. [01:31:40] <mfbot> [[haudio-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=25673 * WebOrganics * (+3)
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  16. [01:32:52] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  17. [01:35:11] <mfbot> [[Template:currency-related-pages]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:currency-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=25674 * RyanKing * (-11362) Reverted edit of OneTa6, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
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  26. [02:24:12] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25675 * BenWard * (-676) Big update. Updated both Hyperlink and OBJECT patterns to reflect accessibility testing results. Removed opinion (please keep that to -issues pages). Spec is now up-to-date based on current knowledge.
  27. [02:24:39] <BenneWarde> Bloody hell that took a long time to edit properly…
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  29. [02:24:44] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  31. [02:26:08] <mfbot> [[haudio]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=haudio&diff=0&oldid=25676 * ManuSporny * (+0) bump version number from 0.8 to 0.9
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  33. [02:56:48] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25677 * BenWard * (+189) Added explicit point about class names on the include element, in response to Mike Kaply's open issue
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  36. [03:02:50] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=25678 * BenWard * (+123) Include-Pattern Issues - Marking Mike Kapley's issue closed
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  41. [03:16:02] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25679 * BenWard * (-17) Clarified that the include-pattern is a design-pattern, resolves issue in -feedback
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  43. [03:23:43] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25680 * BenWard * (+1316) Updated feedback page to address issues. In future, we need to keep tighter separation between something being feedback and an issue itself.
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  69. [09:02:57] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  70. [09:06:35] <mfbot> [[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=25681 * AndyMabbett * (+298) Some challenges in current DataPortability trends
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  75. [09:43:39] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  78. [09:52:06] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  82. [10:44:43] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25682 * AndyMabbett * (+6) move temapltes frmo headings to body text to declutter and preserve permalinks
  83. [10:45:42] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=25683 * AndyMabbett * (+33) template
  84. [10:49:34] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25684 * AndyMabbett * (+125) templates and formatting
  85. [10:51:10] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25685 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Object - remove fragment --------------- !! presume "is" not "was" is correct !!
  86. [10:53:46] <mfbot> [[include-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern&diff=0&oldid=25686 * AndyMabbett * (+25) notes and issues - copy edit; templates
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  88. [11:11:33] <mfbot> [[Talk:hcard-cheatsheet-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:hcard-cheatsheet-fr * Uz9Kwn * (+11265)
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  91. [11:18:15] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * BenWard * (+0) blocked "User:Uz9Kwn" with an expiry time of indefinite: Spa (ah ah ah) mmer
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  93. [11:25:21] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=25687 * Nelix * (+33) Added my self
  94. [11:26:07] <mfbot> [[User talk:Nelix]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:Nelix * AndyMabbett * (+73) Welcome!
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  103. [12:59:44] <mfbot> [[criticism]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=criticism&diff=0&oldid=25688 * Brian * (+131) re-ordered date´s and added more context
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  114. [13:51:38] <stouset> Out of curiosity, is there any momentum towards updating the hAtom spec to deal with some of the remaining open issues? Specifically feed-level metadata.
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  122. [15:04:16] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  127. [15:32:06] <jibot> SignpostMarv is a WordPress, Second Life and OpenID geek
  128. [15:33:58] <BenWard> mkaply: Hi Mike. Couple of parsing/operator questions for you if I may?
  129. [15:34:09] <mkaply> BenWard: sure
  130. [15:34:32] <BenWard> Both from a co-worker of mine who's implementing a lot of hCalendar at the minute.
  131. [15:35:20] <BenWard> Where a single hEvent exists in a page and has no explicit URL, is there an optimisation to take the URL of the page as the URL and/or UID for the event?
  132. [15:37:19] <mkaply> No, that's not a standard optimization. Upcoming, for example, adds the URL in the description when it does the export
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  134. [15:42:53] <BenWard> OK. And second up, more of a feature request for Operator, but when parsing things like description text, it would be beneficial to have and ABBR/ACRONYM expanded into plain text: For example ‘Sub’ for ‘Subtitles}
  135. [15:43:06] <BenWard> Which loses a lot of context when reduced down to plain text.
  136. [15:44:13] <BenWard> And along similar lines, where there are URLs inside the description text, to expand the HREF of the URL into the text as well — in parentheses, probably
  137. [15:44:13] <mkaply> So you're saying if there is an ABBR tag in a description, it should be expanded when we get the description?
  138. [15:44:32] <mkaply> That would be an issue to bring up with the microformats folk.
  139. [15:44:54] <BenWard> Yes. Or the expansion should be provided in the first instance of an ABBR
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  142. [15:45:03] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  144. [15:45:17] <BenWard> I don't think it's a microformats issue, it's just about making better sense of the HTML when converting to plain text
  145. [15:45:18] <mkaply> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#Plain_Text_Formatting_of_Structural.2FSemantic_HTML
  146. [15:45:24] <mkaply> This is actually a very painful problem.
  147. [15:45:39] <mkaply> In Firefox 3 I'm gonig to try to use their text parser (right now I just grab text content)
  148. [15:45:42] <mkaply> per thje spec
  149. [15:51:38] <BenWard> Ah, I didn't realise we were trying to spec text parsing as well. Hmm.
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  151. [15:54:11] <BenWard> mkaply: Is there a way to hide/remove a piece of content from within a descrption, but still be displayed in the page?
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  153. [15:56:38] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  154. [15:57:08] <mkaply> BenWard: you would use class="value" as the children of the description to only indicate which parts you wanted
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  160. [16:22:19] <mfbot> [[Talk:product]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:product * UagNzm * (+11728)
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  229. [21:27:26] <mfbot> [[audio-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+186) [fr:sync'd with english version]
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  233. [21:49:46] <nelix> if anyone is bored, i'd love some comments on my tumblr theme (hAtom, rel)
  234. [21:49:55] <nelix> the style is crap though :/
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  247. [22:21:33] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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