IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-10

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  36. [06:09:56] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  44. [07:58:21] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  50. [08:43:14] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  52. [08:56:35] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  54. [09:09:08] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  84. [12:26:47] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  91. [14:00:52] <mfbot> [[votelinks]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks&diff=0&oldid=26193 * DftXdc * (+12035)
  92. [14:05:28] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) blocked "User:WvtGmm" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  93. [14:05:45] <mfbot> [[VoteLinksFAQ]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=VoteLinksFAQ&diff=0&oldid=26194 * ChristopheDucamp * (-11997) restitution de la dernière modification de ChristopheDucamp
  94. [14:06:30] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) blocked "User:ZrzI7w" with an expiry time of infinte: spam
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  96. [14:09:32] <mfbot> [[mercurial-quick-start]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mercurial-quick-start&diff=0&oldid=26195 * ChristopheDucamp * (-11737) restitution de la dernière modification de RyanKing
  97. [14:09:48] <mfbot> [[votelinks]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks&diff=0&oldid=26196 * ChristopheDucamp * (-12035) restitution de la dernière modification de Tantek
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  99. [14:15:44] <mfbot> [[hresume-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=26197 * Dreamisle * (+135) added hresume to my page
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  101. [14:22:56] <mfbot> [[Talk:firefox-extensions]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:firefox-extensions * MkaCpl * (+12094)
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  103. [14:25:00] <jibot> jimbojw is Jim R. Wilson of http://jimbojw.com/
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  105. [14:25:26] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  106. [14:25:57] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=26198 * ChristopheDucamp * (+405) [fr:sync'd with english version]
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  119. [15:24:19] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com and a neogeographer and is co-founder of Mapufacture
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  128. [16:09:03] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  130. [16:16:41] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel&diff=0&oldid=26199 * Phae * (+42) attendees -
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  141. [16:28:40] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  145. [16:47:25] <mfbot> [[User:JojaBa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JojaBa&diff=0&oldid=26205 * JojaBa * (+22) Informations sur un article - ajout de rel et suppression de hatom
  146. [16:49:26] <mfbot> [[User:JojaBa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JojaBa&diff=0&oldid=26206 * JojaBa * (+1329) Informations sur un article -
  147. [16:53:12] <mfbot> [[User:JojaBa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JojaBa&diff=0&oldid=26207 * JojaBa * (+101) Test en nature -
  148. [16:55:19] <mfbot> [[User:JojaBa]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:JojaBa&diff=0&oldid=26208 * JojaBa * (-1428) Test en nature -
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  151. [16:58:32] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  155. [17:06:55] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  156. [17:07:54] <mkaply> Phae: hey
  157. [17:08:03] <Phae> hey mike
  158. [17:08:29] <Phae> you coming by today? i'm just about to update the wiki with an informal mf meetup at 6:05pm that we're goign to have
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  161. [17:08:51] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
  162. [17:09:07] <mkaply> I should be be able to drop by.
  163. [17:09:18] <mkaply> Phae: you going to the PMOG session today?
  164. [17:09:49] <Phae> yeah, i was planning to
  165. [17:10:15] <mkaply> It's the same as browser wars unfortuantely - I was going to drop in and meet Justin. I'll probably see you there
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  167. [17:11:36] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=26209 * Phae * (+236) Upcoming -
  168. [17:11:41] <Phae> okay
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  170. [17:14:57] <mfbot> [[species]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=26210 * TarelBasor * (+16466) caalcc4tal
  171. [17:15:33] <illustir> ?def illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related
  172. [17:15:33] <jibot> illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related
  173. [17:17:18] <illustir> ?def illustir creates stuff for the web and http://tipit.to
  174. [17:17:18] <jibot> Nobody has defined illustir creates stuff for the web and http://tipit.to yet
  175. [17:17:32] <illustir> ?forget illustir creates stuff for the web and http://tipit.to
  176. [17:17:33] <jibot> I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
  177. [17:18:04] <illustir> ?def illustir is at http://alper.nl and builds http://tipit.to
  178. [17:18:05] <jibot> illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related and at http://alper.nl and builds http://tipit.to
  179. [17:18:49] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks * Phae * (+2169)
  180. [17:19:06] <Phae> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks please come by!
  181. [17:19:35] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Brian * (+0) blocked "User:TarelBasor" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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  186. [17:21:35] <mkaply> 19A - what lfoor id that?
  187. [17:21:43] <Phae> 4th
  188. [17:21:48] <mkaply> ok. Be there in a sec
  189. [17:21:49] <Phae> well, fake 4th. area 4
  190. [17:24:07] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks&diff=0&oldid=26212 * Phae * (+0)
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  193. [17:25:53] <Phae> i put the date in wrong
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  195. [17:25:55] <Phae> i'm so dumb
  196. [17:25:56] <Phae> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks
  197. [17:26:01] <Phae> TODAY, 6:05pm
  198. [17:28:36] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks&diff=0&oldid=26214 * Phae * (-2119)
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  294. [21:07:59] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  298. [21:12:30] <tantek> greetings
  299. [21:14:03] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks&diff=0&oldid=26219 * Tantek * (+152) more unique tags, sorted names
  300. [21:14:35] <tantek> microformats community meetup today at 6:05pm at the Lego pit at SXSW: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks
  301. [21:19:19] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=26220 * Tantek * (+5) changed URL to upcoming event URL
  302. [21:23:02] <ianloic> stupid sxsw
  303. [21:23:14] <ianloic> why do I have to come to work and be sober?
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  326. [21:57:47] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  366. [22:16:33] <jibot> illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related and at http://alper.nl and builds http://tipit.to
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  368. [22:17:14] <KevinMarks> The Social Cloud
  369. [22:17:16] <KevinMarks> :D
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  372. [22:17:49] <AceT> google loves clouds :p
  373. [22:18:07] * adinalevin is now known as alevin
  374. [22:18:09] <drewinthehead> sooner clouds than graphs
  375. [22:18:20] <identitywoman> is Kevin talking?
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  377. [22:19:06] <AceT> good question, I think i saw an opensocial thing?
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  379. [22:19:32] <alevin> keth
  380. [22:19:57] * tantek is wondering how do we document some of the themes brought up so far (which AFAIK have been brought up many times before) so we can move forward on discussions rather than rehashing?
  381. [22:20:01] <KevinMarks> Hi there
  382. [22:20:14] <alevin> "teaching users how to be phished"
  383. [22:20:25] <KevinMarks> I'm nto talking, it's joe smarr, recordon, adactio, leslie and chris m
  384. [22:21:20] <KevinMarks> please use the new gmail contacts APi for this in future
  385. [22:21:23] <alevin> smarr: slurping data from address book is not the greatest way to share friends
  386. [22:21:31] <alevin> says the plaxo guy
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  388. [22:21:56] <brianoberkirch> I hear the PSN panel is going well
  389. [22:22:01] <AceT> the level of information and adoption is too fractured to start from anything but the relative beginning at major conferences
  390. [22:22:26] <alevin> at the beginning, a lot about reducing friction
  391. [22:22:39] <alevin> from advocates of reducing friction
  392. [22:22:50] <AceT> but maybe smaller more specific panels related to adoption/pitfalls?
  393. [22:23:08] <KevinMarks> mattb got it implemented within 6 hours, sent in bug report (had to know users gmail), which google fixed for him within 24 hours and then he deployed it with no need to enter gmail address at all
  394. [22:23:11] <KevinMarks> he's a star
  395. [22:23:22] <AceT> I liked the critical look at openid (more the idea than the panel)
  396. [22:23:40] * alevin thinks some friction is good
  397. [22:24:09] <alevin> don't use hcard, oauth, openid in user instructions
  398. [22:24:14] <alevin> says leslie c
  399. [22:24:30] <tantek> "Rather than create another profile, why not start with one you already have?" -Leslie
  400. [22:24:40] <alevin> someone on the panel said "what about parents"
  401. [22:24:44] <KevinMarks> have you seen niall's 'which sites have they visited' hack for choosing which to show them?
  402. [22:24:51] <alevin> do parents and children want transparency to each others lives???
  403. [22:24:59] <tantek> Kevinmarks - URL?
  404. [22:25:14] <KevinMarks> we need rigourously defined areas of doubt and uncertainty, alevin?
  405. [22:25:32] <tantek> alevin, - that's an orthogonal social problem that already exists, even in silos like Facebook.
  406. [22:25:37] <KevinMarks> http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2008/02/browser-history-sniff.html
  407. [22:26:03] <tantek> having formats and protocols will encourage/enable user interfaces that allow people to consolidate/separate explicitly.
  408. [22:26:15] <alevin> heh. leslie mentions the social pattern where you change networks to change friends
  409. [22:26:22] <alevin> like moving cities to change friends
  410. [22:26:36] <KevinMarks> like the "I forgot my password" gambit
  411. [22:27:50] <adactio> Everyone having fun? :-)
  412. [22:28:12] <AceT> this is a problem wth pownce's importing
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  414. [22:28:19] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
  415. [22:29:11] <KevinMarks> http://code.google.com/apis/socialgraph/
  416. [22:29:39] <tantek> Joseph is explaining XFN rel="me" with Twitter example
  417. [22:29:39] <tantek> and now Social Graph API
  418. [22:29:39] <tantek> (folks at the session IRL, feel free to help take notes here in the channel!)
  419. [22:29:40] <alevin> "it doesn't have to be public to be portable"
  420. [22:29:55] <KevinMarks> contacts api http://code.google.com/apis/contacts/
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  422. [22:30:37] <alevin> you should be able to encode info you want to be portable & follow you around
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  427. [22:32:27] <KevinMarks> glad to be of service...
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  430. [22:32:41] <adinalevin> sharing information is not "private or public"
  431. [22:32:45] <PibbRelay> <singpolyma> Oh, good, Pibb logs for later reference/searching :)
  432. [22:32:46] <adinalevin> it's sharing with group x or group y
  433. [22:33:03] <adinalevin> sharing with a cancer support group isn't the same as sharing with linked in colleagues
  434. [22:33:14] <KevinMarks> do you think joe smarr was previously a livestock auctioneer?
  435. [22:33:15] <tantek> singpolyma - #microformats is archived already - see the /topic
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  438. [22:33:50] <tantek> adinalevin: tags > groups
  439. [22:34:20] <adinalevin> yup
  440. [22:34:50] <adinalevin> button "share with tagx"
  441. [22:34:52] <singpolyma> @tantek - thanks, that's good - just noticed PibbRelay in here and checked it out, but public logs are good too :)
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  444. [22:35:04] <KevinMarks> you can log into blogger with your livejournal url
  445. [22:35:20] <tantek> Kevinmarks, can you create a blogspot blog with your livejournal URL?
  446. [22:35:21] <adactio> If anybody has any questions or comments, post them here.
  447. [22:35:34] <KevinMarks> hCard can be parsed in client-side js, so you can share it under an https site
  448. [22:35:41] <tantek> adactio - david's point is inaccurate. he is conflating format and protocol
  449. [22:35:59] <tantek> privacy/control is a protocol matter (e.g. https, oauth)
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  451. [22:36:11] <tantek> orthogonal of the format (whether vCard, hCard, FOAF etc.)
  452. [22:36:11] <adinalevin> distributed reputation, oy
  453. [22:36:13] <brianoberkirch> adactio: maybe you guys can address the usability/user expectation issues with URL-based identity
  454. [22:36:23] <KevinMarks> I don't think so - the point of the comment URL is to link back to where you are yourself; blogger won't post to LJ
  455. [22:36:23] <adinalevin> reputation on dailykos is not the same as reputation on redstate
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  457. [22:36:58] <tantek> exactly, why can't OpenID *protocol* just use hCard for the *format*
  458. [22:37:05] <afroginthevalley> I was reviewing a privacy policy this afternoon and would have love some good boilerplate text to explain openID 2 attribute exchange to my lawyer...
  459. [22:37:20] <tantek> there was *no reason* reinvent formats and vocabularies via sreg and attribute exchange.
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  461. [22:37:49] <KevinMarks> We have hCards in google local results and in private upcoming events - still useful cleint-side
  462. [22:37:52] * BradTempleton (n=chatzill@198.214.235.188) has joined #microformats
  463. [22:37:52] <jibot> BradTempleton is in Silicon Valley and has a giant website at www.templetons.com and let's not forget www.netfunny.com
  464. [22:38:27] <singpolyma> Private hCards can make sense behind a wall of OAuth too.
  465. [22:38:32] <KevinMarks> you could auth to the OpenID URL over https or with OAuth and get a different hCard depending on who you are
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  468. [22:38:42] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  469. [22:38:55] <adinalevin> thx factoryjoe
  470. [22:39:18] <BradTempleton> Here's the essay I pointed you to, Kevin, on the paradox http://ideas.4brad.com/paradox-identity-management
  471. [22:39:31] <KevinMarks> thanks brad
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  473. [22:39:44] <tantek> Tom Coates illustrates the public/private access with different hCards on his blog depending on public access or those who have logged into his blog using their OpenID
  474. [22:39:44] <tantek> sorry, s/Tom Coates/Tom Morris
  475. [22:39:44] <tantek> access can be easily gated using OpenID + Oauth
  476. [22:39:44] <tantek> and once access is granted, *then* exchange the data *in the same format* whether public, limited, or private
  477. [22:39:44] <tantek> KevinMarks, the point is not blogger posting to LJ, but being able to mirror your LJ on blogspot
  478. [22:40:04] <KevinMarks> ah
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  480. [22:40:37] <KevinMarks> a better way to do that would be by feed importing (including hAtom importing possibly)
  481. [22:40:41] <BradTempleton_> But I gave you the gist, and these talks ignore it.
  482. [22:41:02] <KevinMarks> I think there is a good possible extension to AtomPub to do that
  483. [22:41:22] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel&diff=0&oldid=26229 * Tantek * (+32) attending
  484. [22:42:16] <Phae> those in the session: if you've not already seen it, informal microformats meetup directly after this is over
  485. [22:42:17] <Phae> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-11-sxsw-building-blocks
  486. [22:42:26] <Phae> JK will announce
  487. [22:42:26] <tantek> Brad, these talks don't ignore it. The point is that creating the technology to make consolidaton/separation/pseudonymity more explicit enables easier creation of user interfaces to provide user choice for those options.
  488. [22:42:47] <tantek> Phae 3-11?
  489. [22:42:49] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks
  490. [22:42:54] <Phae> erg
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  492. [22:43:05] <Phae> yeah, it's got a redirect. i was dumb earlier. my eee has the date wrong
  493. [22:43:07] <bunny_sxsw> hi folks
  494. [22:43:09] <bunny_sxsw> missing the panel
  495. [22:43:11] <KevinMarks> btw, come along to OpenSocial Openbar after this panel http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=21667079920 or with microformats at: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/449215 - a few blocks away with food and drink
  496. [22:43:12] <bunny_sxsw> in my bed :-/
  497. [22:43:16] * bergie (n=bergie@cs136229.pp.htv.fi) Quit ()
  498. [22:43:33] <BradTempleton_> But that is ignoring my point. "Good UI" at giving away your data has a negative consequence, that's my point.
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  500. [22:43:43] <Phae> KevinMarks: you're up against the great british booze-up
  501. [22:43:45] <tantek> Brad, not just for "giving away your data"
  502. [22:43:46] <BradTempleton_> Make it easy to do, it will be done more often, asked for more often, demanded more often
  503. [22:43:47] <tantek> that's a misframing
  504. [22:44:05] <tantek> it's making it easier for good UI for *either* giving away or keeping more private/controlled your data
  505. [22:44:09] <BradTempleton_> Not just for that, but it enables it.
  506. [22:44:10] <tantek> providing that *choice*
  507. [22:44:20] <KevinMarks> that kicks off at 7.30, you can warm up at ours
  508. [22:44:24] <identitywoman> well it is not just UI
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  510. [22:44:41] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  511. [22:44:44] <BradTempleton_> No, because that's not how it works socially. Something cool comes along and says, "Want to use me? I'm cool! Just use this easy UI to tell me all about you"
  512. [22:44:48] <KevinMarks> My hope is that as we have more interoperable data the containers can compete on privacy control
  513. [22:45:01] <adinalevin> mt doing net::oauth perl plugin
  514. [22:45:03] <identitywoman> it is actual standards that give users fine grained control and not just trying to 'hack' it into HTML with some minimal authentication.
  515. [22:45:06] <BradTempleton_> That's the paradox. The choice, the user control, has a negative result.
  516. [22:45:28] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel&diff=0&oldid=26230 * Tantek * (+1)
  517. [22:45:29] <identitywoman> I agree with Kevin - interoperable data and the containers that give privacy control
  518. [22:45:29] <adinalevin> thanks recordon
  519. [22:45:50] <tantek> if you are at the session IRL, add yourself to the wiki page! http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel
  520. [22:46:46] <tantek> come by *immediately* after the panel first to the microformats community meetup at 6:05pm at the Lego pit in the Austin Convention Center, http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks before wandering offsite.
  521. [22:47:02] <Phae> ...or else?
  522. [22:47:03] <paul_irish> Why no openID login for the mf wiki? :)
  523. [22:47:11] <Phae> heh
  524. [22:47:11] <KevinMarks> can I come to the mic and plug Google stuff or is that gauche?
  525. [22:47:11] <KevinMarks> Brad's at the mic
  526. [22:47:43] <adinalevin> tantek, right, but the justifications at the beginning of the panel were all about reducing friction, letting data flow more easily
  527. [22:48:01] <adinalevin> so it sure sounds like what people want to build is tools that facilitate data motion
  528. [22:48:25] <adinalevin> and that may be in the interest of service developers more than users
  529. [22:48:27] <singpolyma> But if you allow motion you can also allow privacy control.
  530. [22:48:30] <tantek> XFN is by design present tense
  531. [22:48:44] <adinalevin> xen - xfn enemies network
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  533. [22:49:06] <Phae> yeah, but how often does a person want to say they are the enemy of someone else
  534. [22:49:17] <tantek> see http://gmpg.org/xfn/background for why XFN is present tense
  535. [22:49:23] <tantek> Phae, exactly
  536. [22:49:36] <Phae> it's not very social
  537. [22:49:41] <Phae> you just don't do it
  538. [22:49:41] <Phae> IRL
  539. [22:49:47] <tantek> XFN values were based on *actual* explicit mention of relationship in blogs and blogrolls
  540. [22:49:47] <Phae> you just don't talk to that person
  541. [22:49:56] <tantek> don't invent technology without doing research for example first.
  542. [22:49:59] <KevinMarks> if each answer takes this long we wont get many questions done
  543. [22:49:59] <Phae> heh
  544. [22:50:01] <KevinMarks> well, you might flame them
  545. [22:50:09] <tantek> 80/20
  546. [22:50:29] <Phae> anyway. i have battery fail. see you at the bricks in about 10!
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  548. [22:50:49] <KevinMarks> but then vote-links is a better fit
  549. [22:51:02] <paul_irish> who's this?
  550. [22:51:12] <adinalevin> brad: the easier you make it, the more it will be done
  551. [22:51:15] <adinalevin> brad templeton
  552. [22:51:18] <adinalevin> eff chairman
  553. [22:51:24] <tantek> "slider" for friends is not what people publish, therefore it wasn't pursued
  554. [22:52:00] <adinalevin> who said "you didn't get the memo that privacy was dead"?
  555. [22:53:16] <adinalevin> " the solution is never to do nothing" says mr. plaxo
  556. [22:53:34] <adinalevin> efforts to make things better
  557. [22:53:47] <tantek> "the point is to make things better than today" - Chris Messina
  558. [22:53:49] <adinalevin> robert moses freeways through the bronx were intended to make things better
  559. [22:54:07] <adinalevin> bulldozing neighborhoods to facilitate traffic flows
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  561. [22:54:14] <KevinMarks> wed much rather you use contacts api than hand over gmail password
  562. [22:54:22] <adinalevin> km true
  563. [22:54:32] <KevinMarks> which is what people do now
  564. [22:54:36] <tantek> we need to discourage people throwing their passwords around like confetti
  565. [22:54:44] <Zuardi> +1
  566. [22:55:00] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-anti-patterns
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  568. [22:55:58] <adinalevin> "wll get it out there and make good solutions"
  569. [22:56:02] <adinalevin> trust us
  570. [22:56:04] <adinalevin> mwahahaha
  571. [22:56:26] <KevinMarks> I'd like to mention google OAuth support...
  572. [22:56:29] <tantek> only have a few minutes left in the session - but lots of folks in Q&A line - come to the microformats community meetup immediately afterwards to continue the discussion: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-building-blocks
  573. [22:56:31] <afroginthevalley> ouch... the "vaseline web" is going to hurt for a while...
  574. [22:56:34] <BradTempleton_> They don't get the negotiation problem. Individuals have no negotiation power
  575. [22:56:41] <bunny_sxsw> http://www.disambiguity.com/design-ethics-encouraging-responsible-behaviour/ <-- don't teach users to give away their passwords
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  577. [22:56:57] <jibot> gerard is jerry
  578. [22:56:57] <tantek> Brad, individuals can leave a service, just like they left the keynote yesterday
  579. [22:57:05] <tantek> "the law of 2 feet"
  580. [22:57:13] <BradTempleton_> Yes, we need better than handing over your password, but now is our chance to really fix it.
  581. [22:57:19] <adinalevin> if you make freeways and parking lots and not sidewalks
  582. [22:57:25] <adinalevin> people will drive and not walk
  583. [22:57:30] <BradTempleton_> Not just give you a more secure way to easily hand over your informatioln
  584. [22:57:33] <adinalevin> so developers have a lot of power in what they make easy
  585. [22:57:38] <adinalevin> and that power is not always used well
  586. [22:57:42] <KevinMarks> so we shoudl make monorails?
  587. [22:57:49] <BradTempleton_> Monorail!
  588. [22:57:53] <BradTempleton_> Monorail!
  589. [22:57:58] <BradTempleton_> (sorry)
  590. [22:58:07] <adinalevin> lol.
  591. [22:58:44] <adinalevin> jane jacobs wanted neighborhoods and sidewalks and some streets with slow traffic
  592. [22:58:45] <tantek> microformats would say study the walking/biking paths in the wild and use them to help (with good planning) to pave walking/running/bike paths ;)
  593. [22:58:47] <adinalevin> not just freeways
  594. [22:59:07] <adinalevin> the walking / biking paths in the while *are* people's semi-overlapping social entworks
  595. [22:59:08] <KevinMarks> I know
  596. [22:59:08] <adinalevin> already
  597. [22:59:18] <KevinMarks> Jane Jacobs ftw
  598. [22:59:19] <BradTempleton_> What I truly need is a way to force cool new apps to not demand information they don't actually need.
  599. [22:59:21] <adinalevin> s/while/wild/
  600. [22:59:30] <BradTempleton_> Not a way to make it easier to hand over what they demand.
  601. [22:59:47] <tantek> Brad, your option is to just not use those apps, blog about them, and ask for the creation of apps that don't ask for the data
  602. [22:59:50] <tantek> it's a feedback/iteration loop
  603. [22:59:51] <identitywoman> The Law of Minimal disclosure
  604. [22:59:55] <BradTempleton_> That's an option?
  605. [22:59:59] <adinalevin> excellent question
  606. [23:00:04] <identitywoman> it is up to app developers to actually 'do' the right thing
  607. [23:00:05] <BradTempleton_> I think recent experience says that option's not working.
  608. [23:00:08] <KevinMarks> right, whcih is why OpenSocial has the GetXXX and RequestXXX APIs
  609. [23:00:11] <identitywoman> and not ask for 'everything'
  610. [23:00:13] <adinalevin> dopplr and satisfaction set the bar with design patterns for inviting friends
  611. [23:00:32] <tantek> ok, heading to Lego pit
  612. [23:00:34] <adinalevin> what else is left to do in design pattern / ue
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  614. [23:00:41] <identitywoman> I loved Dopplr's way of getting friends
  615. [23:00:44] <BradTempleton_> The requestxxx api doesn't give me the power to say, "you should not be asking that" It only lets me not use the app
  616. [23:00:55] <BradTempleton_> No negotiation. It's like clickwrap contracts.
  617. [23:01:39] <adinalevin> which was that?
  618. [23:01:47] <KevinMarks> it lets sites expose policy without forcing an auth dialog for every little thing, which leads to 'click before read' - more granular
  619. [23:01:48] <adinalevin> a usable implementation of oid
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  621. [23:02:28] <KevinMarks> gah, I'm too far back in the line
  622. [23:03:07] <KevinMarks> I'd like to talk about google oauth
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  624. [23:03:13] <adinalevin> take kevin's question
  625. [23:03:50] <adinalevin> recreating groups and access control list on the webs
  626. [23:03:58] <BradTempleton_> Sorry for asking a long question Kevin
  627. [23:04:02] <adinalevin> users define their own access control list
  628. [23:05:15] <adinalevin> siwtching gmail contacts api to oauth
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  637. [23:09:27] <adinalevin> adinalevin: 4th & congress
  638. [23:09:27] <adinalevin> adinalevin: is the open social open bar
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