IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-18
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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[[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=26326 * Tantek * (+355) noted Bebo UI makes it too easy to spam your contacts
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com and a neogeographer and is co-founder of Mapufacture
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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tommorris is a semantic web geek (with a philosophy degree, naturally), lives in East Sussex, UK, is something of a strange quark (strangeness value: -1) and blogs at http://tommorris.org
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[[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel&diff=0&oldid=26327 * Tantek * (+64) added Pownce note for this event
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=26328 * JesseRodgers * (+148) Petition -
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[[User:JesseRodgers]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:JesseRodgers * JesseRodgers * (+102)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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@tim, checkout http://www.globmunity.com/auslandsforum/praktikum-im-ausland--allgemeine-fragen-f1.html and http://www.globmunity.com/auslandsforum/praktikum-in-australien-f6.html
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ooops, wrong window
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[[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=26329 * STHayden * (+124) Services with XFN supporting friends lists - added flugpo
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[[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=26330 * STHayden * (+3) Services with XFN supporting friends lists -
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[[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=26331 * STHayden * (-5) Services with XFN supporting friends lists -
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pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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http://www.dieweisheit.de/Zusammenfassung/category/weltliteratur
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[[ThisWeek/2008-03-17]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/ThisWeek/2008-03-17 * BenWard * (+807) Created ThisWeek page for next weeks ThisWeek post
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[[firefox-extensions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=26332 * Netweb * (+0) Operator - Version Update
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:45:46] <tantek>
greetings. is anyone here having trouble seeing http://microformats.org/code/ ?
- [18:46:15] <tantek>
I can see it no problem, but it appears some folks have trouble seeing it. E.g. this proxy: http://www.iproxy.eu/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL21pY3JvZm9ybWF0cy5vcmcvY29kZS8%3D&hl=3ed
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the page shows up with the normal microformats site WP template but with an "Error 404 - Not Found" in the body
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- [18:52:34] <tantek>
ahah
- [18:53:17] <tantek>
*someone* edited the /code/ page in WP and forgot to change the Page Status from Draft to Published.
- [18:53:20] <tantek>
now fixed :)
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- [18:54:03] <Phae>
oh. uhoh. yeah. i was trying to figure out why something wasn't working and must have just saved out that page.
- [18:54:05] <Phae>
sorry dood.
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[[User:Netweb]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Netweb * Netweb * (+307) Basic Profile Created
- [19:02:10] <tantek>
Phae, no problem. It was definitely confusing but not too hard to figure out once I realized I could reproduce the problem by logging out of WP.
- [19:02:26] <Phae>
ah
- [19:02:49] <tantek>
BenWard, I just realized that the This Week in Microformats wiki pages violate our wiki page naming guidelines.
- [19:03:23] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
- [19:04:19] <tantek>
any objection to changing ThisWeek/2008-03-10 to this-week-2008-03-10 ? (and subsequently ? )
- [19:04:29] <tantek>
renaming that is
- [19:08:28] <Phae>
i'll speak for him - yes, do it. we should have spotted the mistake
- [19:09:18] <mfbot>
[[ThisWeek/2008-03-10]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=ThisWeek/2008-03-10&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+2926) ThisWeek/2008-03-10 moved to this-week-2008-03-10
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[[ThisWeek/2008-03-17]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=ThisWeek/2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+807) ThisWeek/2008-03-17 moved to this-week-2008-03-17
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[[this-week]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week&diff=0&oldid=26333 * Tantek * (+141) updated with upcoming and past issues
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[[this-week-pending]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-pending&diff=0&oldid=26334 * Tantek * (+107) deprecated
- [19:16:53] <tantek>
BenWard, could you take a look at processing any items you think are still noteworthy in http://microformats.org/wiki/this-week-pending and then redirecting that page to [[this-week]] ? Thanks!
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[[this-week-2008-03-17]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=26335 * Tantek * (+14) link to index
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[[this-week-2008-03-10]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-10&diff=0&oldid=26336 * Tantek * (+14) link to index
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- [19:19:11] <tantek>
Phae, just a heads up to ping BenWard about this-week-pending (see above) as well. Thanks!
- [19:19:23] <Phae>
sure
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- [19:52:02] <Danny_B>
is it good or bad idea to use hcard for email only (say in sentence like: "send us your feeback on feedback@domain.tld")? and what would be the best form of it?
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- [19:57:02] <tantek>
Danny_B, how would you want that added to your address book?
- [19:57:31] <tantek>
you could markup the "us" in that quoted sentence with <abbr class="fn org" title="your real organization name">us</abbr>
- [19:57:40] <tantek>
then you could make a proper hCard out of it, with name and email
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as "us" is a semantic abbreviation/pointer to an organization presumably
- [19:58:01] <Danny_B>
was thinking about that
- [19:58:13] <tantek>
it's useful for end users too
- [19:58:15] <Danny_B>
does it have to be abbr?
- [19:58:24] <tantek>
that's the semantically correct element to use
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as someone who may see the text out of context and wonder, who is "us"? can simply hover over the "us" and see the name of the organization
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- [20:01:07] <Danny_B>
was wondering about span instead, since i'd suppose that "us" in <abbr> will be spelled "iu-es" in screen-readers won't it?
- [20:01:49] <tantek>
what makes you assume that it will speak-initials? especially with lowercase?
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- [20:02:21] <Danny_B>
not so many experiencies with screen reading makes me assume that... ;-)
- [20:02:34] <Danny_B>
so <span class="vcard">send <abbr class="fn org" title="your real organization name">us</abbr> your feedback to <address class="email">feedback@domain.tld</address></span> would be the result?
- [20:03:08] <tantek>
close, except that's misuse of <address>
- [20:03:22] <Danny_B>
so span instead?
- [20:03:33] <tantek>
or make it a clickable link and thus more usable
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<a href="mailto:...
- [20:03:42] <Danny_B>
right
- [20:04:06] <Danny_B>
why is it misuse of address? thought email is _address_ as well
- [20:05:07] <tantek>
<address> != address. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Should_I_use_ADDRESS_for_hCards
- [20:06:11] <Danny_B>
thanks, tantek
- [20:07:49] <tantek>
no problem. now you get to correct the next person that misuses <address>. pass it on. :)
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digging through the mf wiki but can't find the explanation about hcard profile in <head>. do i *have to* have it in <head> or not and what are the benefits (or rather if it's not there, does it mean the site is less vcard-maker-machines readable)?
- [20:18:46] <tantek>
it's a should not a must, and currently no hCard-to-vCard translators depend on it
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[[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=26337 * Tantek * (+253) added another instance of Bebo unintentional address book spamming
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[this-week-pending]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-pending&diff=0&oldid=26338 * BenWard * (-1669) Page is deprecated, redirecting to central this-week page
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- [22:02:40] <BenWard>
tantek: Have you had chance to rework the wiki TODO page yet?
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- [22:06:34] <tantek>
BenWard, thanks for the reminder
- [22:07:07] <tantek>
have not. i'm currently working on clearing my plate of SXSW next-actions. next after that are all the admin actions in the notes I took.
- [22:07:17] <BenWard>
OK
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[[introduction]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=26339 * Tantek * (+154) added sitepoint introductory tutorial
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[[this-week-2008-03-17]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=26340 * Tantek * (+369) added Y Search announcement to support microformats.
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- [23:41:32] <bewest>
tantek: I think the feedback about our choice of tools is pretty good
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kingryan is ryan king
- [23:41:53] <bewest>
hey kingryan :)
- [23:42:02] <kingryan>
hi bewest
- [23:42:13] <bewest>
we got some feedback on our choice of tools on the mailing list
- [23:42:27] <bewest>
I think the criticism is pretty balanced, and backed by evidence
- [23:42:30] <bewest>
and it's actionable
- [23:42:46] <tantek>
choice of tools?
- [23:42:50] <bewest>
yes
- [23:42:54] <bewest>
mediawiki, in particular
- [23:43:13] <bewest>
but also, every once in awhile someone asks for a real todo list manager... like a bug tracker
- [23:43:19] <tantek>
there is no ideal tool. criticizing one without offering a concrete specific alternative is not useful.
- [23:43:53] <tantek>
and I'm not sure I agree with all of the criticisms, frankly, there's more than one way to use MediaWiki
- [23:44:45] <tantek>
this is another thing in the category of "not as important as developing the microformats themselves" set of things
- [23:45:07] <tantek>
don't fall for it.
- [23:45:14] <kingryan>
also, we have a really old version of mediawiki. an upgrade has been in order for awhile
- [23:45:44] <tantek>
true. currently that is gated on documenting the patches we applied to our version so that we can reapply them to any upgrade.
- [23:46:01] <bewest>
what do the patches do?
- [23:46:29] <tantek>
bewest, documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-customization
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kingryan, when you get a chance, it would be great if you could add documentation of the specific changes for the patches to http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-customization#How_to
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then we can look into upgrading mediawiki
- [23:48:23] <Danny_B>
can brian suda be reached on this channel? (i don't know his nick and none seems familiar)
- [23:49:55] <kingryan>
Danny_B: sometimes
- [23:50:07] <kingryan>
I think he's in -0200 timezone
- [23:50:24] <kingryan>
rather +0000, according to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people
- [23:50:34] * kingryan wonders if anyone's updated that page for US DST
- [23:50:51] <Danny_B>
what does +0000 mean? UTC?
- [23:50:55] <kingryan>
yeah
- [23:51:05] <Danny_B>
then it's not too late ;-)
- [23:51:17] <Danny_B>
i'm utc+1
- [23:53:16] <Danny_B>
anyway, maybe somebody else can navigate me. i was looking at his x2v page. it's written there that php and xsl is available for download, however i've found only xsl (and even not sure if the correct one) - is anybody familiar with it?
- [23:55:31] <bewest>
I thought it was only xsl
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bewest: "All of the PHP code and XSLT files are available for download through our Hg versioning system," - i was trying to browse it but it's kinda unintuitive for me so maybe it's somewhere in it but i was unable to find it therefore i'm asking here ;-)
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