IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-18

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  2. [00:00:14] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  21. [02:21:22] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  41. [05:46:51] <mfbot> [[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=26326 * Tantek * (+355) noted Bebo UI makes it too easy to spam your contacts
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  43. [05:57:09] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com and a neogeographer and is co-founder of Mapufacture
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  46. [06:13:42] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  62. [08:06:55] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  68. [08:41:48] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  70. [09:01:16] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  74. [09:03:50] <jibot> tommorris is a semantic web geek (with a philosophy degree, naturally), lives in East Sussex, UK, is something of a strange quark (strangeness value: -1) and blogs at http://tommorris.org
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  81. [09:23:55] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-portability-panel&diff=0&oldid=26327 * Tantek * (+64) added Pownce note for this event
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  87. [09:46:43] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  90. [09:48:32] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  98. [10:18:54] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  115. [11:38:30] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  119. [11:39:17] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  132. [12:11:53] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=26328 * JesseRodgers * (+148) Petition -
  133. [12:13:49] <mfbot> [[User:JesseRodgers]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:JesseRodgers * JesseRodgers * (+102)
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  147. [14:30:19] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  152. [15:03:41] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  160. [16:18:20] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  173. [17:03:24] <V-I-P> @tim, checkout http://www.globmunity.com/auslandsforum/praktikum-im-ausland--allgemeine-fragen-f1.html and http://www.globmunity.com/auslandsforum/praktikum-in-australien-f6.html
  174. [17:03:34] <V-I-P> ooops, wrong window
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  180. [17:29:56] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=26329 * STHayden * (+124) Services with XFN supporting friends lists - added flugpo
  181. [17:31:24] <mfbot> [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=0&oldid=26330 * STHayden * (+3) Services with XFN supporting friends lists -
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  202. [18:18:29] <mfbot> [[ThisWeek/2008-03-17]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/ThisWeek/2008-03-17 * BenWard * (+807) Created ThisWeek page for next weeks ThisWeek post
  203. [18:18:55] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=26332 * Netweb * (+0) Operator - Version Update
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  207. [18:44:55] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  209. [18:45:46] <tantek> greetings. is anyone here having trouble seeing http://microformats.org/code/ ?
  210. [18:46:15] <tantek> I can see it no problem, but it appears some folks have trouble seeing it. E.g. this proxy: http://www.iproxy.eu/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL21pY3JvZm9ybWF0cy5vcmcvY29kZS8%3D&hl=3ed
  211. [18:46:50] <tantek> the page shows up with the normal microformats site WP template but with an "Error 404 - Not Found" in the body
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  214. [18:48:48] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  215. [18:52:34] <tantek> ahah
  216. [18:53:17] <tantek> *someone* edited the /code/ page in WP and forgot to change the Page Status from Draft to Published.
  217. [18:53:20] <tantek> now fixed :)
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  219. [18:54:03] <Phae> oh. uhoh. yeah. i was trying to figure out why something wasn't working and must have just saved out that page.
  220. [18:54:05] <Phae> sorry dood.
  221. [18:55:53] <mfbot> [[User:Netweb]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Netweb * Netweb * (+307) Basic Profile Created
  222. [19:02:10] <tantek> Phae, no problem. It was definitely confusing but not too hard to figure out once I realized I could reproduce the problem by logging out of WP.
  223. [19:02:26] <Phae> ah
  224. [19:02:49] <tantek> BenWard, I just realized that the This Week in Microformats wiki pages violate our wiki page naming guidelines.
  225. [19:03:23] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
  226. [19:04:19] <tantek> any objection to changing ThisWeek/2008-03-10 to this-week-2008-03-10 ? (and subsequently ? )
  227. [19:04:29] <tantek> renaming that is
  228. [19:08:28] <Phae> i'll speak for him - yes, do it. we should have spotted the mistake
  229. [19:09:18] <mfbot> [[ThisWeek/2008-03-10]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=ThisWeek/2008-03-10&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+2926) ThisWeek/2008-03-10 moved to this-week-2008-03-10
  230. [19:10:13] <mfbot> [[ThisWeek/2008-03-17]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=ThisWeek/2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+807) ThisWeek/2008-03-17 moved to this-week-2008-03-17
  231. [19:15:59] <mfbot> [[this-week]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week&diff=0&oldid=26333 * Tantek * (+141) updated with upcoming and past issues
  232. [19:16:15] <mfbot> [[this-week-pending]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-pending&diff=0&oldid=26334 * Tantek * (+107) deprecated
  233. [19:16:53] <tantek> BenWard, could you take a look at processing any items you think are still noteworthy in http://microformats.org/wiki/this-week-pending and then redirecting that page to [[this-week]] ? Thanks!
  234. [19:17:56] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-17]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=26335 * Tantek * (+14) link to index
  235. [19:18:12] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-10]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-10&diff=0&oldid=26336 * Tantek * (+14) link to index
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  238. [19:19:11] <tantek> Phae, just a heads up to ping BenWard about this-week-pending (see above) as well. Thanks!
  239. [19:19:23] <Phae> sure
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  250. [19:52:02] <Danny_B> is it good or bad idea to use hcard for email only (say in sentence like: "send us your feeback on feedback@domain.tld")? and what would be the best form of it?
  251. [19:56:03] * Prometheus (n=Promethe@cs181170022.pp.htv.fi) Quit ()
  252. [19:57:02] <tantek> Danny_B, how would you want that added to your address book?
  253. [19:57:31] <tantek> you could markup the "us" in that quoted sentence with <abbr class="fn org" title="your real organization name">us</abbr>
  254. [19:57:40] <tantek> then you could make a proper hCard out of it, with name and email
  255. [19:57:58] <tantek> as "us" is a semantic abbreviation/pointer to an organization presumably
  256. [19:58:01] <Danny_B> was thinking about that
  257. [19:58:13] <tantek> it's useful for end users too
  258. [19:58:15] <Danny_B> does it have to be abbr?
  259. [19:58:24] <tantek> that's the semantically correct element to use
  260. [19:59:12] <tantek> as someone who may see the text out of context and wonder, who is "us"? can simply hover over the "us" and see the name of the organization
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  264. [20:01:07] <Danny_B> was wondering about span instead, since i'd suppose that "us" in <abbr> will be spelled "iu-es" in screen-readers won't it?
  265. [20:01:49] <tantek> what makes you assume that it will speak-initials? especially with lowercase?
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  267. [20:02:21] <Danny_B> not so many experiencies with screen reading makes me assume that... ;-)
  268. [20:02:34] <Danny_B> so <span class="vcard">send <abbr class="fn org" title="your real organization name">us</abbr> your feedback to <address class="email">feedback@domain.tld</address></span> would be the result?
  269. [20:03:08] <tantek> close, except that's misuse of <address>
  270. [20:03:22] <Danny_B> so span instead?
  271. [20:03:33] <tantek> or make it a clickable link and thus more usable
  272. [20:03:38] <tantek> <a href="mailto:...
  273. [20:03:42] <Danny_B> right
  274. [20:04:06] <Danny_B> why is it misuse of address? thought email is _address_ as well
  275. [20:05:07] <tantek> <address> != address. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Should_I_use_ADDRESS_for_hCards
  276. [20:06:11] <Danny_B> thanks, tantek
  277. [20:07:49] <tantek> no problem. now you get to correct the next person that misuses <address>. pass it on. :)
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  279. [20:16:37] <Danny_B> digging through the mf wiki but can't find the explanation about hcard profile in <head>. do i *have to* have it in <head> or not and what are the benefits (or rather if it's not there, does it mean the site is less vcard-maker-machines readable)?
  280. [20:18:46] <tantek> it's a should not a must, and currently no hCard-to-vCard translators depend on it
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  286. [21:12:16] <mfbot> [[social-network-anti-patterns]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=social-network-anti-patterns&diff=0&oldid=26337 * Tantek * (+253) added another instance of Bebo unintentional address book spamming
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  290. [21:17:31] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  292. [21:27:28] <mfbot> [[this-week-pending]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-pending&diff=0&oldid=26338 * BenWard * (-1669) Page is deprecated, redirecting to central this-week page
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  297. [22:02:40] <BenWard> tantek: Have you had chance to rework the wiki TODO page yet?
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  299. [22:05:55] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  300. [22:06:34] <tantek> BenWard, thanks for the reminder
  301. [22:07:07] <tantek> have not. i'm currently working on clearing my plate of SXSW next-actions. next after that are all the admin actions in the notes I took.
  302. [22:07:17] <BenWard> OK
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  313. [23:21:30] <mfbot> [[introduction]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=26339 * Tantek * (+154) added sitepoint introductory tutorial
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  316. [23:29:06] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-17]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-17&diff=0&oldid=26340 * Tantek * (+369) added Y Search announcement to support microformats.
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  319. [23:29:52] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
  320. [23:41:32] <bewest> tantek: I think the feedback about our choice of tools is pretty good
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  323. [23:41:45] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  324. [23:41:53] <bewest> hey kingryan :)
  325. [23:42:02] <kingryan> hi bewest
  326. [23:42:13] <bewest> we got some feedback on our choice of tools on the mailing list
  327. [23:42:27] <bewest> I think the criticism is pretty balanced, and backed by evidence
  328. [23:42:30] <bewest> and it's actionable
  329. [23:42:46] <tantek> choice of tools?
  330. [23:42:50] <bewest> yes
  331. [23:42:54] <bewest> mediawiki, in particular
  332. [23:43:13] <bewest> but also, every once in awhile someone asks for a real todo list manager... like a bug tracker
  333. [23:43:19] <tantek> there is no ideal tool. criticizing one without offering a concrete specific alternative is not useful.
  334. [23:43:53] <tantek> and I'm not sure I agree with all of the criticisms, frankly, there's more than one way to use MediaWiki
  335. [23:44:45] <tantek> this is another thing in the category of "not as important as developing the microformats themselves" set of things
  336. [23:45:07] <tantek> don't fall for it.
  337. [23:45:14] <kingryan> also, we have a really old version of mediawiki. an upgrade has been in order for awhile
  338. [23:45:44] <tantek> true. currently that is gated on documenting the patches we applied to our version so that we can reapply them to any upgrade.
  339. [23:46:01] <bewest> what do the patches do?
  340. [23:46:29] <tantek> bewest, documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-customization
  341. [23:46:58] <tantek> kingryan, when you get a chance, it would be great if you could add documentation of the specific changes for the patches to http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki-customization#How_to
  342. [23:47:09] <tantek> then we can look into upgrading mediawiki
  343. [23:48:23] <Danny_B> can brian suda be reached on this channel? (i don't know his nick and none seems familiar)
  344. [23:49:55] <kingryan> Danny_B: sometimes
  345. [23:50:07] <kingryan> I think he's in -0200 timezone
  346. [23:50:24] <kingryan> rather +0000, according to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people
  347. [23:50:34] * kingryan wonders if anyone's updated that page for US DST
  348. [23:50:51] <Danny_B> what does +0000 mean? UTC?
  349. [23:50:55] <kingryan> yeah
  350. [23:51:05] <Danny_B> then it's not too late ;-)
  351. [23:51:17] <Danny_B> i'm utc+1
  352. [23:53:16] <Danny_B> anyway, maybe somebody else can navigate me. i was looking at his x2v page. it's written there that php and xsl is available for download, however i've found only xsl (and even not sure if the correct one) - is anybody familiar with it?
  353. [23:55:31] <bewest> I thought it was only xsl
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  356. [23:59:31] <Danny_B> bewest: "All of the PHP code and XSLT files are available for download through our Hg versioning system," - i was trying to browse it but it's kinda unintuitive for me so maybe it's somewhere in it but i was unable to find it therefore i'm asking here ;-)
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  359. [23:59:40] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)

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