IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-19

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  1. [00:00:20] <kingryan> Danny_B: you looked at http://hg.microformats.org/ ?
  2. [00:00:46] <Danny_B> ../x2v - yes
  3. [00:01:42] <kingryan> hmm, I thought we used to have download links there
  4. [00:07:24] <bewest> Danny_B: what page is that on? I'm pretty sure there's no php involved
  5. [00:07:45] <Danny_B> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ very bottom
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  7. [00:15:28] <kingryan> bewest: x2v uses php to fetch the page and run the xslt
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  17. [01:31:14] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  25. [02:47:41] <mfbot> [[xfn-clarification]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-clarification * Tantek * (+32)
  26. [02:49:32] <mfbot> [[xfn-clarifications]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=0&oldid=26341 * Tantek * (+196) added another example of social-network friends not equating to real friends
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  32. [03:28:10] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  42. [04:01:10] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  45. [04:10:11] <tantek> greetings, I'm at dinner with Ben Ward
  46. [04:24:12] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=26342 * Tantek * (+253) move past events accordingly, add admin meetup event
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  50. [04:43:30] <mfbot> [[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=26343 * Tantek * (+218) clarify account creation/naming guidelines/suggestions/requirements.
  51. [04:47:31] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup * Tantek * (+2953) drafted
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  53. [04:53:57] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup&diff=0&oldid=26344 * Tantek * (+830) added notes taken of items discussed and to-do
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  58. [05:52:44] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  62. [06:04:15] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  64. [06:20:27] <mfbot> [[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup&diff=0&oldid=26345 * Tantek * (+1115) noted processed next actions from notes, and completed next actions
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  72. [06:54:57] <ec> Hey y'all
  73. [06:54:59] <ec> Anybody around
  74. [06:55:34] <ec> I'm marking up an hCard for myself - can I place arbirary content in the card? i.e, as long as the correct classes are present on the correct items, can I have them interspersed in all sorts of other content?
  75. [06:55:42] <ec> like labels, other information.
  76. [06:55:56] <ec> Oh, and can I safely change the tag-type as long as the classes are correct?
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  78. [06:56:03] <tantek> yes to both ec
  79. [06:56:13] <ec> for instance, the generator makes the whole thing a <div> with id='hcard-elliott-cable'
  80. [06:56:24] <ec> can I change the <div> to an <address>, so it's semantically correct as well?
  81. [06:56:42] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Should_I_use_ADDRESS_for_hCards
  82. [06:57:03] <ec> Yeah, I know it's use d-:/
  83. [06:57:15] <ec> For this particular situation, where I'm placing my contact info on my homepage, I think that's appropriate, correct?
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  85. [06:58:43] <tantek> as you are the contact for your homepage, yes
  86. [07:00:02] <tantek> also: http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#.3Cdiv.3E_and_.3Cspan.3E_semantics
  87. [07:04:47] <ec> Is there any defined way to mark a preferred method of contact?
  88. [07:05:05] <ec> I'm about to stick the 'preferred' class on the items in my code, but then I thought maybe somebody's specified a way to do this, hehe
  89. [07:19:46] <tantek> you can indicate a preferred phone number or address with the pref value on the type subproperty. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#type_subproperty_values
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  94. [07:34:12] <ec> tantek: hmm, that doesn't specify how I can add a type to a url
  95. [07:34:23] <ec> I can't stick it in the <a>, it'll be linked along with the content, which would be annoying
  96. [07:34:54] <tantek> the url property does not have a type subproperty
  97. [07:35:05] <ec> hmm, ah
  98. [07:35:09] <ec> but email does
  99. [07:35:27] <ec> that's what I meant anyway, it's not like you really need a preffered url d-:
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  101. [07:36:52] <tantek> you can indicate a more canonical URL of a set by making it a "uid" as well
  102. [07:37:20] <ec> sounds like class='uid' would be a good way to define it as my openid, eh?
  103. [07:37:43] <tantek> it's not the same semantic, but it does indicate some level of preference
  104. [07:37:49] <ec> I keep trying to copy and paste segments here, and then I realize it's on another computer - lol d-:
  105. [07:38:13] <tantek> rel="openid.delegate" would be more appropriate for saying this is my openid
  106. [07:38:28] <ec> so <a c;ass='url fn uid' rel='me' href='http://elliottcable.name'>elliott cable</a> seem pretty complete?
  107. [07:38:43] <ec> rel='me, openid.delegate'?
  108. [07:39:09] <tantek> rel is space separated per HTML4
  109. [07:39:14] <tantek> no "," necessary
  110. [07:39:27] <ec> no, for xfn
  111. [07:40:05] <tantek> what for xfn?
  112. [07:40:11] <ec> me
  113. [07:40:14] <ec> rel='me'
  114. [07:40:37] <ec> and rel='openid.delegate' conflict - and I'm a bit confused whether I should seperate them with commas, as per xfn, or spaces, as per HTML4 now.
  115. [07:42:13] <tantek> what made you think "with commas, as per xfn"?
  116. [07:42:47] <tantek> the examples on gmpg.org all use spaces, per HTML4
  117. [07:42:52] <ec> hmm
  118. [07:43:02] <ec> my xfn/microformats cheatsheet lol
  119. [07:43:11] <tantek> URL?
  120. [07:43:16] <ec> http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/cheatsheet/
  121. [07:43:25] <ec> oops not that one
  122. [07:43:32] <ec> http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/cheat-sheets/microformats-cheat-sheet/
  123. [07:46:16] <tantek> I don't remember seeing that one before, and it certainly contradicts all other XFN examples
  124. [07:46:26] <ec> hmm well good d-
  125. [07:46:38] <tantek> not sure why you might conclude that's the authoritative way to list XFN values, vs. every other reference
  126. [07:47:46] <ec> I hadn't really looked.
  127. [07:47:59] <ec> I've been referencing this cheatsheet so far, this is my first real dive into microformats/xfn
  128. [07:48:15] <tantek> probably best to start with the cheatsheets at microformats.org instead
  129. [07:48:31] <tantek> as more folks have looked at them, reviewed them, they are more likely to be accurate
  130. [07:48:58] <ec> yah
  131. [07:53:08] <ec> <a class='org url' href='http://yreality.net' rel='me'>yreality</a> does that look right?
  132. [07:53:14] <ec> can I make an org a url as well, in other words?
  133. [07:55:53] <tantek> y
  134. [08:06:35] <ec> because I want a url associated with my org? hehe
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  136. [08:14:24] <tantek> rel='me' though indicates that the url is another site meaning you, not your org
  137. [08:14:26] <tantek> as does the class name 'url' on that hCard
  138. [08:14:40] <tantek> if you want to create a separate hCard for your org, you can do that and then give it a 'url' property
  139. [08:16:11] <ec> nah, rel='me' means another of your sites, as I understand it
  140. [08:16:27] <ec> the organization is just me, anwyay. my buisness name when a buisness name is required
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  144. [08:29:04] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  158. [10:19:20] <mfbot> [[User:Mandarin]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Mandarin * Mandarin * (+252)
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  160. [10:19:33] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  198. [15:16:13] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  201. [16:03:06] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  204. [16:23:53] <csarven> mkaply
  205. [16:24:11] <mkaply> csarven: what bug have you found with 0.9 :)
  206. [16:25:41] <csarven> Probably not a bug. Just wondering (sorry didn't check the wiki on this) if vevent location contains adr information should it just grab those values instead of the full text content within?
  207. [16:27:15] <mkaply> location can be an hcard. So if I detect it is an hcard, I use it, otherwise I just grab the text
  208. [16:29:52] <csarven> http://www.csarven.ca/cv see the location for Transcontinental Media
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  210. [16:32:02] <mkaply> location should be a vcard, not just an adr. I'm just grabbing the text content.
  211. [16:32:08] <mkaply> At least that's my understanding
  212. [16:32:23] <mkaply> move location to the vcard and you should be fine
  213. [16:36:06] <csarven> Cool.
  214. [16:36:39] <csarven> BTW, I noticed that I couldn't export to "Google Calendar"
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  216. [16:51:44] <yvesr> congratulations for the songbird support, btw :)
  217. [16:52:27] <yvesr> - http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/03/19/connect-me-up-operator/
  218. [16:53:49] <danbri> ah, sweet :)
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  226. [17:11:39] <mkaply> yvesr: my plaeasure
  227. [17:11:43] <mkaply> csarven: I'll checke that
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  233. [17:22:33] <mkaply> csarven: ok, at least we don't throw an error now (my bug) - but you still can't add it to google calendar
  234. [17:22:40] <mkaply> It doesn't like a 2050 year I guess
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  236. [17:23:56] <csarven> mkaply It is not just 2050. Check the other events
  237. [17:24:21] <mkaply> csarven: Oh, I know.
  238. [17:24:22] <mfbot> [[hied-course-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hied-course-examples&diff=0&oldid=26347 * CtkJose * (+409) Contributors -
  239. [17:24:31] <mkaply> The bug was that I wasn't handling dates without times correct with google.
  240. [17:24:37] <mkaply> After fixing that, google gives the error, not me
  241. [17:24:42] <mkaply> It will be in 0.9.1
  242. [17:24:47] <mkaply> which will be today or tomorrow
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  244. [17:30:03] <csarven> Cool.
  245. [17:31:00] <csarven> I know Google didn't handle dates above 2050 and last time I checked (which was a while back) they needed dtend
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  267. [18:29:52] <mfbot> [[hied-course-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hied-course-formats&diff=0&oldid=26352 * CtkJose * (+99) Existing hied course formats -
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  302. [23:04:29] <V-I-P> Praktikum in Malaysia http://www.globmunity.com/auslandstagebuch/33_globmunity/archive/170_auslandspraktikum_malaysia_kuala_lumpur.html
  303. [23:04:35] <V-I-P> ooops
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