IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-03-19
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- [00:00:20] <kingryan>
Danny_B: you looked at http://hg.microformats.org/ ?
- [00:00:46] <Danny_B>
../x2v - yes
- [00:01:42] <kingryan>
hmm, I thought we used to have download links there
- [00:07:24] <bewest>
Danny_B: what page is that on? I'm pretty sure there's no php involved
- [00:07:45] <Danny_B>
http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ very bottom
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- [00:15:28] <kingryan>
bewest: x2v uses php to fetch the page and run the xslt
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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- [02:47:41] <mfbot>
[[xfn-clarification]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-clarification * Tantek * (+32)
- [02:49:32] <mfbot>
[[xfn-clarifications]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=0&oldid=26341 * Tantek * (+196) added another example of social-network friends not equating to real friends
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- [03:28:10] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [04:01:10] <jibot>
mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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- [04:10:11] <tantek>
greetings, I'm at dinner with Ben Ward
- [04:24:12] <mfbot>
[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=26342 * Tantek * (+253) move past events accordingly, add admin meetup event
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- [04:43:30] <mfbot>
[[how-to-play]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play&diff=0&oldid=26343 * Tantek * (+218) clarify account creation/naming guidelines/suggestions/requirements.
- [04:47:31] <mfbot>
[[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup * Tantek * (+2953) drafted
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[[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup&diff=0&oldid=26344 * Tantek * (+830) added notes taken of items discussed and to-do
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [06:04:15] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [06:20:27] <mfbot>
[[events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2008-03-10-sxsw-admins-meetup&diff=0&oldid=26345 * Tantek * (+1115) noted processed next actions from notes, and completed next actions
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- [06:54:57] <ec>
Hey y'all
- [06:54:59] <ec>
Anybody around
- [06:55:34] <ec>
I'm marking up an hCard for myself - can I place arbirary content in the card? i.e, as long as the correct classes are present on the correct items, can I have them interspersed in all sorts of other content?
- [06:55:42] <ec>
like labels, other information.
- [06:55:56] <ec>
Oh, and can I safely change the tag-type as long as the classes are correct?
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- [06:56:03] <tantek>
yes to both ec
- [06:56:13] <ec>
for instance, the generator makes the whole thing a <div> with id='hcard-elliott-cable'
- [06:56:24] <ec>
can I change the <div> to an <address>, so it's semantically correct as well?
- [06:56:42] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Should_I_use_ADDRESS_for_hCards
- [06:57:03] <ec>
Yeah, I know it's use d-:/
- [06:57:15] <ec>
For this particular situation, where I'm placing my contact info on my homepage, I think that's appropriate, correct?
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- [06:58:43] <tantek>
as you are the contact for your homepage, yes
- [07:00:02] <tantek>
also: http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#.3Cdiv.3E_and_.3Cspan.3E_semantics
- [07:04:47] <ec>
Is there any defined way to mark a preferred method of contact?
- [07:05:05] <ec>
I'm about to stick the 'preferred' class on the items in my code, but then I thought maybe somebody's specified a way to do this, hehe
- [07:19:46] <tantek>
you can indicate a preferred phone number or address with the pref value on the type subproperty. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#type_subproperty_values
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- [07:34:12] <ec>
tantek: hmm, that doesn't specify how I can add a type to a url
- [07:34:23] <ec>
I can't stick it in the <a>, it'll be linked along with the content, which would be annoying
- [07:34:54] <tantek>
the url property does not have a type subproperty
- [07:35:05] <ec>
hmm, ah
- [07:35:09] <ec>
but email does
- [07:35:27] <ec>
that's what I meant anyway, it's not like you really need a preffered url d-:
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- [07:36:52] <tantek>
you can indicate a more canonical URL of a set by making it a "uid" as well
- [07:37:20] <ec>
sounds like class='uid' would be a good way to define it as my openid, eh?
- [07:37:43] <tantek>
it's not the same semantic, but it does indicate some level of preference
- [07:37:49] <ec>
I keep trying to copy and paste segments here, and then I realize it's on another computer - lol d-:
- [07:38:13] <tantek>
rel="openid.delegate" would be more appropriate for saying this is my openid
- [07:38:28] <ec>
so <a c;ass='url fn uid' rel='me' href='http://elliottcable.name'>elliott cable</a> seem pretty complete?
- [07:38:43] <ec>
rel='me, openid.delegate'?
- [07:39:09] <tantek>
rel is space separated per HTML4
- [07:39:14] <tantek>
no "," necessary
- [07:39:27] <ec>
no, for xfn
- [07:40:05] <tantek>
what for xfn?
- [07:40:11] <ec>
me
- [07:40:14] <ec>
rel='me'
- [07:40:37] <ec>
and rel='openid.delegate' conflict - and I'm a bit confused whether I should seperate them with commas, as per xfn, or spaces, as per HTML4 now.
- [07:42:13] <tantek>
what made you think "with commas, as per xfn"?
- [07:42:47] <tantek>
the examples on gmpg.org all use spaces, per HTML4
- [07:42:52] <ec>
hmm
- [07:43:02] <ec>
my xfn/microformats cheatsheet lol
- [07:43:11] <tantek>
URL?
- [07:43:16] <ec>
http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/cheatsheet/
- [07:43:25] <ec>
oops not that one
- [07:43:32] <ec>
http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/cheat-sheets/microformats-cheat-sheet/
- [07:46:16] <tantek>
I don't remember seeing that one before, and it certainly contradicts all other XFN examples
- [07:46:26] <ec>
hmm well good d-
- [07:46:38] <tantek>
not sure why you might conclude that's the authoritative way to list XFN values, vs. every other reference
- [07:47:46] <ec>
I hadn't really looked.
- [07:47:59] <ec>
I've been referencing this cheatsheet so far, this is my first real dive into microformats/xfn
- [07:48:15] <tantek>
probably best to start with the cheatsheets at microformats.org instead
- [07:48:31] <tantek>
as more folks have looked at them, reviewed them, they are more likely to be accurate
- [07:48:58] <ec>
yah
- [07:53:08] <ec>
<a class='org url' href='http://yreality.net' rel='me'>yreality</a> does that look right?
- [07:53:14] <ec>
can I make an org a url as well, in other words?
- [07:55:53] <tantek>
y
- [08:06:35] <ec>
because I want a url associated with my org? hehe
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- [08:14:24] <tantek>
rel='me' though indicates that the url is another site meaning you, not your org
- [08:14:26] <tantek>
as does the class name 'url' on that hCard
- [08:14:40] <tantek>
if you want to create a separate hCard for your org, you can do that and then give it a 'url' property
- [08:16:11] <ec>
nah, rel='me' means another of your sites, as I understand it
- [08:16:27] <ec>
the organization is just me, anwyay. my buisness name when a buisness name is required
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[User:Mandarin]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Mandarin * Mandarin * (+252)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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- [16:23:53] <csarven>
mkaply
- [16:24:11] <mkaply>
csarven: what bug have you found with 0.9 :)
- [16:25:41] <csarven>
Probably not a bug. Just wondering (sorry didn't check the wiki on this) if vevent location contains adr information should it just grab those values instead of the full text content within?
- [16:27:15] <mkaply>
location can be an hcard. So if I detect it is an hcard, I use it, otherwise I just grab the text
- [16:29:52] <csarven>
http://www.csarven.ca/cv see the location for Transcontinental Media
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- [16:32:02] <mkaply>
location should be a vcard, not just an adr. I'm just grabbing the text content.
- [16:32:08] <mkaply>
At least that's my understanding
- [16:32:23] <mkaply>
move location to the vcard and you should be fine
- [16:36:06] <csarven>
Cool.
- [16:36:39] <csarven>
BTW, I noticed that I couldn't export to "Google Calendar"
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congratulations for the songbird support, btw :)
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- http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/03/19/connect-me-up-operator/
- [16:53:49] <danbri>
ah, sweet :)
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- [17:11:39] <mkaply>
yvesr: my plaeasure
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csarven: I'll checke that
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- [17:22:33] <mkaply>
csarven: ok, at least we don't throw an error now (my bug) - but you still can't add it to google calendar
- [17:22:40] <mkaply>
It doesn't like a 2050 year I guess
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- [17:23:56] <csarven>
mkaply It is not just 2050. Check the other events
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csarven: Oh, I know.
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- [17:24:31] <mkaply>
The bug was that I wasn't handling dates without times correct with google.
- [17:24:37] <mkaply>
After fixing that, google gives the error, not me
- [17:24:42] <mkaply>
It will be in 0.9.1
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which will be today or tomorrow
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- [17:30:03] <csarven>
Cool.
- [17:31:00] <csarven>
I know Google didn't handle dates above 2050 and last time I checked (which was a while back) they needed dtend
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Praktikum in Malaysia http://www.globmunity.com/auslandstagebuch/33_globmunity/archive/170_auslandspraktikum_malaysia_kuala_lumpur.html
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ooops
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