IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-04-07

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  12. [02:40:04] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  26. [05:03:49] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  49. [07:33:37] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  50. [07:40:59] <mfbot> [[genealogy-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=genealogy-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=26658 * TobyInk * (+255) Locations - Ideas re births, deaths and marriages.
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  60. [08:06:11] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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  62. [08:07:48] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  64. [08:21:23] <jibot> madness is a freelance web developer from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. His online home is at http://www.markng.co.uk/
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  66. [08:22:33] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  68. [08:28:27] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  73. [08:46:12] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  79. [09:36:33] <mfbot> [[hlisting-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-issues&diff=0&oldid=26662 * Eazytiger * (+255) Issues -
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  85. [09:59:42] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  88. [10:12:32] <jibot> illustir is the creator of hAvatar and related and at http://alper.nl and builds http://tipit.to
  89. [10:12:57] <illustir> ?forgetme
  90. [10:12:57] <jibot> I have expunged illustir from my mind
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  106. [12:28:41] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  126. [13:41:18] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  132. [13:49:00] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  135. [14:01:16] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  138. [14:11:07] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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  140. [14:32:20] <mfbot> [[hlisting-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=26664 * Csarven * (+105) Les &#201;ditions Transcontinental supports hListing on book items
  141. [14:33:07] <met_> Wikipedia uses hCard microformat for biographical boxes. e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Hubble They have name and born date. Date of death probably couldn't be in hCard, could it?
  142. [14:39:38] <csarven> met_ It could for sure.
  143. [14:39:43] <csarven> vCard 3.0 doesn't support it
  144. [14:40:05] <met_> on microformat wiki it is not defined
  145. [14:40:06] <csarven> vCard 4.0 most likely will (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-resnick-vcarddav-vcardrev-01.txt)
  146. [14:40:12] <csarven> True.
  147. [14:40:24] <csarven> Also see this: http://microformats.org/wiki/death
  148. [14:40:35] <met_> csarven, thx
  149. [14:42:01] <csarven> The current hCard is based on the latest version of vCard. So the answer is no it doesn't support it at the moment but I don't believe that will be the case in the future. It certainly doesn't hurt to mark the day of death with "dday"
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  151. [14:43:28] <met_> ok i will wait, I have just edited templates for czech wikipedia and was curious about it, because it should be practical
  152. [14:44:05] <csarven> There was also an IRC conversation with Tantek and I (which I can't locate ATM) that you might be interested in reading
  153. [14:44:07] <met_> btw around 9 wikipedias use hCard microformats now
  154. [14:44:29] <met_> it there some irc log of #microformats?
  155. [14:45:33] <csarven> http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/
  156. [14:46:40] <met_> csarven, thx
  157. [14:52:25] <csarven> http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-01-08#T043943
  158. [14:52:37] <met_> ok
  159. [14:56:32] <mfbot> [[Main Page-cs]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-cs&diff=0&oldid=26665 * Met * (+85) Úvod - link to microformats.cz for other czech resources
  160. [14:57:13] <adactio> Date of birth and date of death can (and should) be marked up as hCalendar.
  161. [14:58:41] <adactio> summary: Edwin Hubble, dtstart: 1889-11-20, dtend: 1953-09-28
  162. [14:59:07] <csarven> adactio I don't think it is an either or case (hCard or hCalendar) if that's what you meant. The birth/death days can (and should) be markup with hCard and hCalender (preferrably both) since they both share overlapping information
  163. [14:59:23] <csarven> And context is important
  164. [14:59:32] <adactio> Yes, that's what I meant: to use both hCard and hCalendar to describe the same entity.
  165. [15:00:00] <adactio> But I disagree that the dates need to be marked up in hCard if they are already being marked up in hCalendar.
  166. [15:00:06] <met_> on wikipedia there is also name, photo and other information, now more suitable for hCard
  167. [15:01:22] <adactio> There is maybe some room for an optimisation rule to say something like: if a root element is shared by the class names vcard and vevent, then the dtstart/dtend dates can be treated as dates of birth/death for people (or start/cessation of business for organisations).
  168. [15:01:39] <csarven> adactio Not necessarily (unless you are speaking of only birth/date) but "rev" for instance is a useful thing to have inside an hCard
  169. [15:02:02] <adactio> But what has that got to do with marking up birth/death dates?
  170. [15:03:08] <met_> adactio, because birt/deatd dates are not alone, but they belong to some person?
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  172. [15:03:48] <adactio> Right, and that "some person" would be the summary value for the vevent as well as being the fn value for the vcard.
  173. [15:06:16] <csarven> If you're referring to only birth/death dates (event timestamps) in hCard sure it can be argued that it makes more sense have them belong only in hCalendar. The same argument can posibly be extended to adr or geo. Again, I don't think this is an either or issue. There are overlapping information among formats all the time.
  174. [15:06:31] <adactio> Yes, that's my whole point.
  175. [15:07:07] <adactio> Where those overlapping points exist, there is no need to extend any formats: just use more than one format.
  176. [15:07:57] <adactio> So my point is, instead of unnecessarily added a "date of death" field to hCard, just be sure to make up the information as hCard and hCalendar at the same time.
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  180. [15:15:03] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  191. [16:07:09] <csarven> mkaply Is it true that you are not forcing lister (vcard) as requirement in Operator?
  192. [16:07:48] <mkaply> csarven: I'm not sure what you mean
  193. [16:08:20] <csarven> The "lister" class. On the wiki it says that it is a required
  194. [16:08:35] <mkaply> I've never heard of a lister class until just now on a vcard
  195. [16:08:51] <csarven> http://www.livres.transcontinental.ca/fr/ hListing is highlighted without warnings
  196. [16:09:09] <mkaply> I don't do hListing at all
  197. [16:10:17] <csarven> Oops.. I've probably added that from the User Scripts. Totally forgot.
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  218. [17:12:31] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca
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  222. [17:29:41] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-31]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-31&diff=0&oldid=26670 * DavidJanes * (-1) On the web -
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  225. [17:31:25] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  229. [17:36:21] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  245. [19:13:20] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  247. [19:18:38] <jibot> tommorris is a semantic web geek (with a philosophy degree, naturally), lives in East Sussex, UK, is something of a strange quark (strangeness value: -1) and blogs at http://tommorris.org
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  252. [20:40:11] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com and a neogeographer and is co-founder of Mapufacture
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  256. [21:03:56] <mfbot> [[User talk:SXBRC]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:SXBRC&diff=0&oldid=26671 * Cb0Ntd * (+13817)
  257. [21:07:51] <met_> the wiki modification above ^^^ is a link spam
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  259. [21:08:58] <Phae> thx
  260. [21:09:13] <mfbot> [[User talk:SXBRC]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:SXBRC&diff=0&oldid=26672 * Phae * (-13817) Reverted edit of Cb0Ntd, changed back to last version by Brian
  261. [21:09:39] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:Cb0Ntd" with an expiry time of infinte: wiki spam
  262. [21:09:48] <Phae> misspell :( oops
  263. [21:09:55] <Phae> oh well
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  276. [22:01:30] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-31]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-31&diff=0&oldid=26673 * Brian * (+3) On the web -
  277. [22:02:31] <mfbot> [[this-week-2008-03-31]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=this-week-2008-03-31&diff=0&oldid=26674 * Brian * (+8) From uf-discuss -
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  283. [22:30:49] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
  284. [22:31:13] <DanC> I'm noodling on using hReview, or something close, for test result reporting.
  285. [22:31:14] <DanC> e.g. http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html
  286. [22:36:22] <DanC> reading http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-implementations , I don't see a way to do matrixes like that
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