IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-06-04

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  16. [03:03:10] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> & improves performance at Yahoo! & likes food & hacking & lives in the valley
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  24. [03:49:51] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  27. [03:55:41] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> & improves performance at Yahoo! & likes food & hacking & lives in the valley
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  35. [04:39:50] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  44. [06:14:16] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  58. [07:07:20] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  66. [08:38:11] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  67. [08:40:22] <mfbot> [[User:Dominiek]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Dominiek&diff=0&oldid=27247 * Dominiek * (+135)
  68. [08:44:43] <mfbot> [[s5-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=s5-tools&diff=0&oldid=27248 * GeraldBauer * (+212) added link to new s5 support forum
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  70. [09:05:20] <mfbot> [[course-catalog-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog-examples&diff=0&oldid=27249 * Robstero * (+241) Some Microformat use in Education -
  71. [09:05:51] <mfbot> [[course-catalog-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog-examples&diff=0&oldid=27250 * Robstero * (-8) Some Microformat use in Education -
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  73. [10:22:17] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  76. [10:23:21] <jibot> Broady is Chris Broadfoot, lives in Sydney and blogs at http://chrisbroadfoot.id.au/
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  78. [10:38:01] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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  82. [11:05:42] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  84. [11:20:47] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  103. [14:12:01] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  113. [15:20:27] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  127. [16:22:16] <jibot> gsnedders is a mad teenager from Scotland who occasionally blogs at <http://geoffers.uni.cc/>
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  151. [18:54:39] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  164. [20:39:46] <jibot> bluesmoon is Philip <http://bluesmoon.info> & improves performance at Yahoo! & likes food & hacking & lives in the valley
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  167. [21:49:58] <primitivemachine> hello
  168. [21:51:51] <primitivemachine> how are you guys using microformats?
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  170. [21:52:45] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  172. [22:00:59] <primitivemachine> anyone alive? i am
  173. [22:02:10] <dw_> :q
  174. [22:02:12] <dw_> whhops
  175. [22:02:49] <dw_> hi primitivemachine
  176. [22:03:50] <primitivemachine> hi there, I am just getting to know these microformats, but they seem relatively underutilized because of being so new. Have you applied them to any sort of project?
  177. [22:04:35] <dw_> not as yet, but i've been dying to. i haven't worked on any web-related project in some time. i love the idea more than anything :)
  178. [22:06:42] <primitivemachine> i am espcially intrigued by the potential of apml and xfn, provided the end user has control over the actual files
  179. [22:07:26] <primitivemachine> if they functioned like cookies, were sites could modify them but they resided on my machine I could see a lot of good applications
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  181. [22:19:11] <primitivemachine> http://24ways.org/2006/styling-hcards-with-css
  182. [22:19:30] <primitivemachine> that's a cool way to display an hCard with CSS
  183. [22:21:31] <dw_> sorry, my 3G internet is being crap :(
  184. [22:22:03] <dw_> that design is rather fetching, yes
  185. [22:23:54] <primitivemachine> dw_ do you work in web or graphic design? i'm just an engineer/hobbyist with this sort of thing
  186. [22:28:12] <dw_> i'm an engineer of sorts. unemployed just now, but will be starting a new job at yahoo in the coming 2 weeks
  187. [22:28:34] <dw_> i haven't worked directly on web stuff in the past few years, but my new position will see me working partly with web technologies
  188. [22:28:43] <dw_> (performance analysis)
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  190. [22:30:35] <dw_> are you still studying?
  191. [22:31:25] <primitivemachine> no, i'll be working on submarines for general dynamics in a few weeks
  192. [22:31:32] <dw_> ooh :)
  193. [22:31:34] <dw_> sounds exciting
  194. [22:31:53] <dw_> i was just reading last night about various nuclear sub implosions.. i hope you wont be on them when they're in the deep sea :)
  195. [22:31:53] <primitivemachine> my interest with the web makes me wish i'd taken more art and computer classes in college
  196. [22:32:23] <primitivemachine> no i'll be at a desk most likely
  197. [22:32:32] <dw_> i'm useless at creative design. i can produce clean looking document styles and whatnot, but anything arty i compeltely fail at
  198. [22:33:08] <primitivemachine> yeah pure arty stuff i'm probably not so great at
  199. [22:34:05] <primitivemachine> my website is primitivemachine.net, but its just a tumblr blog where i played with the css
  200. [22:34:25] * tommorris (n=tommorri@i-83-67-98-32.freedom2surf.net) has joined #microformats
  201. [22:34:26] <jibot> tommorris is a semantic web geek (with a philosophy degree, naturally), lives in East Sussex, UK, is something of a strange quark (strangeness value: -1) and blogs at http://tommorris.org
  202. [22:35:00] <primitivemachine> i haven't taken the plunge to get hosting and wordpress althought I have run those before and it's fun
  203. [22:35:03] <dw_> what remains of my blog is at http://dmw.me.uk , but i mostly removed information from it in 2006
  204. [22:35:17] <dw_> can't remember why, but i became a little paranoid :]
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  206. [22:36:25] <primitivemachine> i think people have reason to be paranoid these days, what with all of our info being essentially the property of the services we use
  207. [22:36:45] <primitivemachine> hello tommorris
  208. [22:36:57] <tommorris> hey primitivemachine
  209. [22:37:23] <tommorris> Paranoid. Me?
  210. [22:37:37] <tommorris> The government know everything there is to know about me anyway. I'm just linking the dots for them.
  211. [22:37:42] <dw_> primitivemachine: it was after joining another large web company, and realising they had my photo album and the ability to find my face elsewhere on the internet that i decided to lock my data down :)
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  213. [22:38:07] * dw_ has grew up around cameras and the internet, and did some regrettable things in his youth :P
  214. [22:38:41] * tommorris commutes to London, the city with more CCTV cameras per square mile than anywhere on Earth
  215. [22:38:46] <primitivemachine> ah yes, it's far too easy for the past to catch up with you these days
  216. [22:38:47] * tommorris basically has no privacy anyway
  217. [22:39:10] <dw_> tommorris: you know the UK has about 25% of the total number of cctv installations in the entire world? i saw that statistic a few months back
  218. [22:39:24] <primitivemachine> did you guys see that music video from the group that did it entirely on london CCTV? they got some great shots actually :)
  219. [22:39:24] <tommorris> yup.
  220. [22:39:25] <dw_> tommorris: where do you commute from? I just moved here
  221. [22:39:39] <dw_> primitivemachine: it was faked apparently
  222. [22:39:51] <dw_> oh, Brighton :]
  223. [22:39:54] <tommorris> I commute on the Hastings to London
  224. [22:39:59] <dw_> aah
  225. [22:40:05] <tommorris> but not from Hastings.
  226. [22:40:23] * tommorris does not wish to discuss where he lives on a publicly logged IRC channel
  227. [22:40:39] <dw_> hi, internet!
  228. [22:40:54] <tommorris> about an hour out of London though
  229. [22:41:16] <primitivemachine> oh rats, good fake then. I did have to wonder where they got access to all of it
  230. [22:41:30] <tommorris> speaking of which, I'm getting a train not long after 5am tomorrow morning, so probably ought to sleep
  231. [22:41:53] <tommorris> usually #microformats is pretty dead except wiki updates, but now I can't get a peep out of the #swig folk
  232. [22:42:01] <primitivemachine> the footage I mean, some of the cctv for traffic and weather is publicly available in the states, so i suppose it wasn't too much of a stretch
  233. [22:42:15] <tommorris> Data Protection Act, Freedom of Information Act
  234. [22:42:22] <primitivemachine> whats swig?
  235. [22:42:30] <tommorris> Semantic Web Interest Grou
  236. [22:42:35] <tommorris> -p
  237. [22:43:25] <primitivemachine> ah
  238. [22:43:26] <tommorris> They are nice folks when they aren't hanging around outside school gates scaring children with recursive acronyms and disjunct object property relations.
  239. [22:43:37] <primitivemachine> hahaa
  240. [22:44:02] * tommorris makes a mental note to figure out new and exciting ways to scare children with parts of the OWL specification
  241. [22:45:07] <primitivemachine> i dont know how it is in the UK, but it seems the web 2.0 in-crowd is an obnoxiously cliquey, and because the in-crowd essentially governs which apps grow their userbase, they're going to take their time making their apps open/friendly/microformat-happy
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  243. [22:45:42] <tommorris> Obnoxiously cliquey? I'd say no on that.
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  245. [22:46:44] <tommorris> It can seem cliquey, but the nerdy Web 2.0 community has been one of the most welcoming I know
  246. [22:48:20] <primitivemachine> i guess i am just not looking in the right spots
  247. [22:48:38] <tommorris> Compare it to other cliques, and you'll find it to be welcoming
  248. [22:49:26] <dw_> primitivemachine: the blogs can seem horribly incestuous, but if you watch the spread of new ideas, and who is working on what, it is not really that incestuous
  249. [22:49:45] <dw_> for instance the things i am interested in, openid, oauth, and microformats, mostly/entirely have different leaderships and communities built around them
  250. [22:50:13] <tantek> with perhaps just enough crossover to make them work together
  251. [22:50:14] <dw_> i think 99% of it is learning to speak the local tongue (which may be based 50% on buzzwords, but still, that's how it goes in the 21st century tech industry :)
  252. [22:51:29] <primitivemachine> how does one meet internet people? for me 99% of the people I interact with online are people I initially knew in person
  253. [22:51:40] <tantek> upcoming.org
  254. [22:51:52] <tommorris> yep, go to geek events in $YOUR_LOCATION
  255. [22:51:53] <primitivemachine> partdon my use of the term 'internet people'
  256. [22:52:04] <tantek> barcamp.org
  257. [22:52:15] <tommorris> Don't worry, madam, I am from the Internet!
  258. [22:53:42] <tommorris> primitivemachine: where are you? Most cities in US + EU have some form of geek community.
  259. [22:53:48] <primitivemachine> DC
  260. [22:54:13] <tommorris> there are BarCamps in DC
  261. [22:54:27] <tantek> i believe there are also "refresh" events in DC
  262. [22:54:42] <primitivemachine> i have heard of barcamp, i wasn't aware it was a thing
  263. [22:54:47] <primitivemachine> hmm
  264. [22:55:04] <tommorris> It's not just a thing, it's a freaking awesome thing
  265. [22:55:07] <tantek> you can even ask about barcamp in #barcamp
  266. [22:55:18] <tommorris> BarCampLondon4 happened last weekend
  267. [22:55:41] <tommorris> lots of microformats, social-network-portability and SemWeb chit-chat
  268. [22:56:13] <tantek> BarCampSeattle is coming up in 10 days http://barcamp.org/BarCampSeattle
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  270. [22:57:34] <tommorris> Internet people also hang out on IRC
  271. [22:58:48] <primitivemachine> as i've found! i'm an infrequent IRC user
  272. [22:59:00] <dw_> tommorris: what other events are there in london? i'm aware i just missed barcamp, sadly
  273. [22:59:46] * dw_ is now known as dw__
  274. [22:59:50] <tommorris> there's geekdinner (once a month), a lot of London ____ User Groups (Ruby, Java, Python, .NET etc.)
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  277. [23:00:22] <primitivemachine> maybe i should investigate a barcamp, sounds like a grown-up lan party
  278. [23:00:29] <tommorris> we had SemanticCamp in February, and my arm may be twisted into organising another
  279. [23:00:42] <tommorris> primitivemachine: do. It's basically a conference done properly
  280. [23:02:14] <tommorris> there's a few other things in London - 'MiniBar' (which is fairly crap but has it's uses - if you want to hang out with entrepreneurs seeking investment, or are seeking investment etc.), there's OpenCoffee and CreativeCoffee (the latter for the business/entrepreneur types, the latter for geeks/designers/etc.)
  281. [23:02:36] <tommorris> I put up a page a while back listing a large number of the events in London - http://tommorris.org/pages/london
  282. [23:03:10] <dw> thanks tommorris. the opencoffee stuff isn't so much my thing
  283. [23:03:28] <dw> going to poke through this list now
  284. [23:03:33] <tommorris> also, there's Mashed coming up soon
  285. [23:03:40] <tommorris> which will rock
  286. [23:03:51] <dw> what kind of thing goes on there?
  287. [23:04:08] <tommorris> have you heard of Hack Day?
  288. [23:04:15] <tommorris> It's like that but with a different name
  289. [23:04:25] <dw> aha.
  290. [23:04:35] <dw> do you know if london python has a mailing list, or is it just a planet?
  291. [23:04:38] <dw> (that sounds really odd)
  292. [23:04:43] <tommorris> http://mashed08.eventbrite.com/
  293. [23:04:48] <tommorris> the london python people
  294. [23:04:52] <tommorris> haven't kept track of them
  295. [23:05:02] <tommorris> think they have a mailing list
  296. [23:05:45] <dw> aah, mashed. i have tickets for that
  297. [23:05:54] <dw> i'd completely forgotten, thanks :)
  298. [23:05:55] <tommorris> they used to have their events under the name "London 2.0"
  299. [23:06:23] <tommorris> which was hilarious, because you'd go along thinking it'd all be business/suit/entrepreneurs/VC people, and it'd be a ton of Python geeks
  300. [23:06:29] <tommorris> a pleasant surprise, needless to say
  301. [23:07:05] <tommorris> http://announce.londonpython.org.uk/
  302. [23:10:29] <dw> ha :)
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  304. [23:14:57] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  309. [23:37:06] <primitivemachine> is away
  310. [23:37:15] <primitivemachine> haha, i dont know anything about IRC
  311. [23:42:52] <dw> /away gone to sleep
  312. [23:42:59] <dw> try that (without the preceeding space)
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