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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=27251 * ChuckAk * (+13) Specification -
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[[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=27252 * ChuckAk * (+4) Deprecated: Using 'rel' for VoteLinks -
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[[s5-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=s5-tools&diff=0&oldid=27253 * ChuckAk * (+32) Tools -
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[[s5-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=s5-tools&diff=0&oldid=27254 * ChuckAk * (+69) Tools -
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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- [09:38:44] <georgebrock>
hi
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got a quick question about hCard if anyone's about?
- [09:39:44] <BenWard>
Go for it :)
- [09:40:05] <georgebrock>
looking to mark up this: Nikki Thompson or Lydia Curtis, Flip Video PR team. 0207 067 0538 Flipvideopr@webershandwick.com
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2 people who share one set of contact details
- [09:40:48] <BenWard>
Agents :)
- [09:42:05] <BenWard>
Just doing an example for you
- [09:42:12] <georgebrock>
thanks Ben
- [09:42:28] <riffraff>
talking about hCard.. does a fn nestend inside an adr make sense? because if it does not I think I found broken uFs in wikipedia
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*nested
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julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
- [09:42:47] <BenWard>
It's perfectly valid, riffraff
- [09:43:29] <riffraff>
mh, does it mean anything different from having them on the same level or not?
- [09:45:03] <BenWard>
No, it doesn't matter where in the nesting the FN is :) It means the same
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ok, cool, thanks
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shall we have something like that in the hg.microformats.org/test suite ?
- [09:48:21] <riffraff>
I.m willing to submit a patch cause I have done it anyway for my parser unit tests
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georgebrock: http://pastie.org/210068
- [09:49:11] <BenWard>
So that's the optimal mark-up for agents of the same company, but how parsers handle it is a bit of a grey area and I don't know off the top of my head what they'll do.
- [09:49:49] <BenWard>
For example, I'm not sure if running an ‘export to address book’ script will be clever enough to create two cards (one for Nikki and one for Lydia) which also contains the company information.
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awesome, thank you Ben, I'll have a play with it and see what a few parsers make of it :)
- [09:51:47] <BenWard>
But, I'd be inclined to try it, see what happens, and throw the results back at parser makers to see if they can improve their parsing :)
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(Personally, I love agent mark-up, it's beautifully graceful)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/value-excerption-pattern-issues * BenWard * (+4930) Separated issues into maintainable page. We has a pattern.
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Looking for some help in coding an hCard.
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I have an entry with two phone numbers. Both are "work" phone numbers but for different locations.
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I want to list the output like 888.888.8888 (Location 1|2)
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27256 * BenWard * (+341) Slight tidy, added related pages.
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I've coded them as <span class="tel" type="work"> and type="work pref
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jbru: Unfortunately ‘labels’ aren't part of the vcard spec, and phone numbers aren't associated with specific addresses within the vCard. You could possibly do it with AGENTs, actually… give me a sec to think about this.
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I'm OK with the location "labels" not being part of the vcard, if that helps.
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jbru: How does this look? http://pastie.org/210288
- [17:57:23] <jbru>
That's a bit more complex that what I"m looking for.
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Would just using <span class="tel" type="work">888.888.888</span> Location be proper?
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[[value-excerption-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27257 * BenWard * (+206) Added parsing rules in response to closed value-nesting-in-value issue.
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jbru, you can just list two telephone numbers, yes, and of course to readers of the page that will be fine displaying the location as text alongside :)
- [18:06:52] <BenWard>
The agents method is certainly detailed :)
- [18:07:48] <jbru>
Thanks, Ben. Most of my porting of my organization's contact list to hCard has been pretty easy, just a few strange ones that confuse me. :)
- [18:07:58] <jbru>
Probably just looking at it for too long today.
- [18:08:50] <BenWard>
Well, there are plenty of edge cases where we all have to engage our brains a bit more to suss out :)
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I'm liking experimenting with AGENT at the mo, but parsing behaviour is rather unspecified. Need to suss it out a bit
- [18:09:09] <jbru>
A lot to ask on a Friday afternoon. :)
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Friday evening here :) I should really go home… or to the pub… or something that isn't sitting in an empty office
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I suggest pub.
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I could go for a pint myself. :)
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[[value-excerption-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27258 * BenWard * (+116) Clarified self as page editor.
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