IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-06-26
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pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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georgebrock is George Brocklehurst, a freelance web developer from London
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=27482 * XavierBadosa * (+824) 2007 -
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pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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[[User:XavierBadosa]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:XavierBadosa * XavierBadosa * (+365)
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=27483 * XavierBadosa * (+163) 2007 -
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BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer at http://edgeofmyseat.com
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BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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[[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27484 * BenWard * (+716) Other Proposals - Re-orging machine-data page; moving discussion about value-exception option onto the value-excerption-pattern-issues page
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[[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27485 * BenWard * (-5219) Re-orging machine-data page; moving discussion about value-exception option onto the value-excerption-pattern-issues page
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julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27486 * BenWard * (+3774) Added discussion from machine-data page to the relevant issue
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27487 * TobyInk * (+422) The Combined Approach - Detail another approach.
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[[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27488 * Dracos * (-397) issues -
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[[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27489 * TobyInk * (+273) Experimental Parser Support - Mention value excerpting.
- [11:58:40] <BenWard>
Err, is microformats.org down for anyone?
- [11:59:36] <georgebrock>
BenWard - it's fine here
- [11:59:53] <BenWard>
Good! :D
- [12:00:07] <BenWard>
Can't get anything up here, but so long as it's not down that's fine
- [12:01:09] <BenWard>
Yeah, fine now I think. Just Safari doing some crazy caching I think
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:)
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[[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27490 * BenWard * (+750) The Combined Approach - Slightly rewritten. Links to value-excerption and abbr-pattern, plus added detail on user agent treatment of empty links, note about abuse of semantics, and hack disclaimer
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[[machine-data]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27491 * BenWard * (+22) Fixed ‘supplementary data’ capitalisation
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[[machine-data]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27492 * TobyInk * (+21) hCalendar - Add "exrule"
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Good catch, Toby
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27493 * BenWard * (+620) Problems - Added point about design for humans first, objection to use of emotive, confrontational term ‘dark data’ in functional, proactive discussion
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27494 * BenWard * (+232) Parsing title from Empty value Elements - Added note about this already functioning with ABBR elements due to parser quirks
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[[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27495 * BenWard * (+73) Moving ‘Resolution Notes’ above ‘Problems’ discussion; better content order for those joining the discussion
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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- [15:48:43] <gsnedders>
Is there any documentation of any de-facto standards for tag parsing?
- [15:49:45] <drewinthehead>
rel-tag, gsnedders?
- [15:50:03] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: I mean actually parsing the input of the tags
- [15:50:34] <drewinthehead>
not sure I follow
- [15:50:53] <drewinthehead>
are you talking about tagging or <html> <tags> ?
- [15:51:09] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: Like, I input 'foobar, meep, lol, "umm" yeah'
- [15:51:19] <drewinthehead>
gotchya
- [15:51:22] <gsnedders>
like, parsing the input field
- [15:51:53] <drewinthehead>
it seems there's absolutely no standard - everything is different and it's bad for users
- [15:53:48] * gsnedders refuses to run around and reverse engineer more
- [15:55:00] <drewinthehead>
i think flickr have a good appoach - split on words unless quoted
- [15:55:00] <purp>
Best "standard" I've seen is "Assume space separated unless you see commas; allow quotes to group words into multi-word tags"
- [15:55:07] <drewinthehead>
right
- [15:55:21] <purp>
BTW, pardon the crass interruption:
- [15:55:25] <purp>
?def purp is Jim Meyer (http://geekdaily.org/) who resists summarization.
- [15:55:25] <jibot>
purp is Jim Meyer (http://geekdaily.org/) who resists summarization.
- [15:55:35] <purp>
Never a good time to do that. =]
- [15:56:35] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: Except in the case of Habari that doesn't cope with the legacy very well :(
- [15:57:10] <drewinthehead>
I didn't think Habari had any legacy
- [15:57:11] * purp tries to remember where he saw a really good tagging interface.
- [15:57:34] <purp>
Oh yeah. Mephisto blogs do it well.
- [15:59:28] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: It's over a year old, with live sites using it. The real world sucks.
- [16:00:52] <gsnedders>
Actually, it I stop being stupid, it's only a change to the input format.
- [16:01:39] <drewinthehead>
tags are not usually edited in the same fashion, nor stored in the input format
- [16:01:56] <drewinthehead>
so I would have thought it's a non-issue
- [16:02:25] <gsnedders>
it is indeed a non-issue
- [16:03:58] <BenWard>
For ref, Flickr's tag parsing more complex than that
- [16:04:11] <BenWard>
They also allow comma-separated tagging
- [16:04:47] <BenWard>
So you can do: ‘drew mclellan, microformats, microformats vevent, "why, it's microformats"’
- [16:04:50] <drewinthehead>
BenWard: with a bunch of switching depending on precedent in the string
- [16:05:14] <BenWard>
Or: ‘"drew mclellan" "microformats" "microformats vevent" "why, it's microformats"
- [16:06:21] * gsnedders wishes it was simple
- [16:06:53] <drewinthehead>
gsnedders: one of those problems that's easier to code than define :)
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drewinthehead: Provided the code is simpler than http://trac.habariproject.org/habari/browser/trunk/htdocs/system/classes/post.php#L425 I'm happy :)
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that doesn't look too complex, gsnedders
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drewinthehead: http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/eff9c4c69690971d/842351a43bb5e165
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searching for tag parsing algorithms is tricky
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I'd just leap in and code it ... in fact I've been meaning to do that myself. useful snippet to have.
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hi
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is anyone here good a wikipedia templates?
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good *at* wikipedia templates
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yay, got the hCard in wikipedia's restaurant template to have an address in
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[[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=27497 * Yde * (+273) Discussion - added concern about the 'note' property
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KevinMarks, that's great news! Definitely add that to the hCard examples in the wild page with a sample URL of a restaurant that uses said template.
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