IRC Log for #microformats on 2008-06-26

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  25. [03:54:41] <jibot> pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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  30. [04:41:08] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  32. [04:47:21] <jibot> pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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  34. [04:48:31] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  43. [05:32:14] <jibot> rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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  48. [06:33:20] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  50. [06:34:05] <jibot> rmarkwhite is Robert Mark White
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  56. [07:20:58] <jibot> georgebrock is George Brocklehurst, a freelance web developer from London
  57. [07:25:04] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=27482 * XavierBadosa * (+824) 2007 -
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  59. [07:31:18] <jibot> pjkix is PJ Khalil a Web Developer in SF and can be found online at http://pjkix.com
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  62. [07:41:26] <mfbot> [[User:XavierBadosa]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:XavierBadosa * XavierBadosa * (+365)
  63. [07:49:02] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=27483 * XavierBadosa * (+163) 2007 -
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  66. [07:55:55] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  68. [07:58:05] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  71. [08:00:27] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  80. [09:04:38] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer at http://edgeofmyseat.com
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  84. [09:07:01] <jibot> BenWard is a Web Developer at Yahoo! Europe and an admin at microformats.org and based in the UK and better defined at http://ben-ward.co.uk
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  88. [09:12:16] <jibot> mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
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  91. [09:16:22] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27484 * BenWard * (+716) Other Proposals - Re-orging machine-data page; moving discussion about value-exception option onto the value-excerption-pattern-issues page
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  93. [09:23:48] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27485 * BenWard * (-5219) Re-orging machine-data page; moving discussion about value-exception option onto the value-excerption-pattern-issues page
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  102. [09:51:25] <jibot> julianstahnke is a German front-end dev for Last.fm and lives in London and wants a play button next to every mentioning of an audio track on the internet
  103. [09:56:16] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27486 * BenWard * (+3774) Added discussion from machine-data page to the relevant issue
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  107. [10:18:50] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  120. [11:35:42] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27487 * TobyInk * (+422) The Combined Approach - Detail another approach.
  121. [11:43:08] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27488 * Dracos * (-397) issues -
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  123. [11:54:40] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=27489 * TobyInk * (+273) Experimental Parser Support - Mention value excerpting.
  124. [11:58:40] <BenWard> Err, is microformats.org down for anyone?
  125. [11:59:36] <georgebrock> BenWard - it's fine here
  126. [11:59:53] <BenWard> Good! :D
  127. [12:00:07] <BenWard> Can't get anything up here, but so long as it's not down that's fine
  128. [12:01:09] <BenWard> Yeah, fine now I think. Just Safari doing some crazy caching I think
  129. [12:02:10] <georgebrock> :)
  130. [12:04:02] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27490 * BenWard * (+750) The Combined Approach - Slightly rewritten. Links to value-excerption and abbr-pattern, plus added detail on user agent treatment of empty links, note about abuse of semantics, and hack disclaimer
  131. [12:05:03] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27491 * BenWard * (+22) Fixed ‘supplementary data’ capitalisation
  132. [12:09:44] <mfbot> [[machine-data]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=machine-data&diff=0&oldid=27492 * TobyInk * (+21) hCalendar - Add "exrule"
  133. [12:10:07] <BenWard> Good catch, Toby
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  138. [12:34:31] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27493 * BenWard * (+620) Problems - Added point about design for humans first, objection to use of emotive, confrontational term ‘dark data’ in functional, proactive discussion
  139. [12:37:17] <mfbot> [[value-excerption-pattern-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=value-excerption-pattern-issues&diff=0&oldid=27494 * BenWard * (+232) Parsing title from Empty value Elements - Added note about this already functioning with ABBR elements due to parser quirks
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  147. [13:58:01] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  162. [15:48:43] <gsnedders> Is there any documentation of any de-facto standards for tag parsing?
  163. [15:49:45] <drewinthehead> rel-tag, gsnedders?
  164. [15:50:03] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: I mean actually parsing the input of the tags
  165. [15:50:34] <drewinthehead> not sure I follow
  166. [15:50:53] <drewinthehead> are you talking about tagging or <html> <tags> ?
  167. [15:51:09] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: Like, I input 'foobar, meep, lol, "umm" yeah'
  168. [15:51:19] <drewinthehead> gotchya
  169. [15:51:22] <gsnedders> like, parsing the input field
  170. [15:51:53] <drewinthehead> it seems there's absolutely no standard - everything is different and it's bad for users
  171. [15:53:48] * gsnedders refuses to run around and reverse engineer more
  172. [15:55:00] <drewinthehead> i think flickr have a good appoach - split on words unless quoted
  173. [15:55:00] <purp> Best "standard" I've seen is "Assume space separated unless you see commas; allow quotes to group words into multi-word tags"
  174. [15:55:07] <drewinthehead> right
  175. [15:55:21] <purp> BTW, pardon the crass interruption:
  176. [15:55:25] <purp> ?def purp is Jim Meyer (http://geekdaily.org/) who resists summarization.
  177. [15:55:25] <jibot> purp is Jim Meyer (http://geekdaily.org/) who resists summarization.
  178. [15:55:35] <purp> Never a good time to do that. =]
  179. [15:56:35] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: Except in the case of Habari that doesn't cope with the legacy very well :(
  180. [15:57:10] <drewinthehead> I didn't think Habari had any legacy
  181. [15:57:11] * purp tries to remember where he saw a really good tagging interface.
  182. [15:57:34] <purp> Oh yeah. Mephisto blogs do it well.
  183. [15:59:28] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: It's over a year old, with live sites using it. The real world sucks.
  184. [16:00:52] <gsnedders> Actually, it I stop being stupid, it's only a change to the input format.
  185. [16:01:39] <drewinthehead> tags are not usually edited in the same fashion, nor stored in the input format
  186. [16:01:56] <drewinthehead> so I would have thought it's a non-issue
  187. [16:02:25] <gsnedders> it is indeed a non-issue
  188. [16:03:58] <BenWard> For ref, Flickr's tag parsing more complex than that
  189. [16:04:11] <BenWard> They also allow comma-separated tagging
  190. [16:04:47] <BenWard> So you can do: ‘drew mclellan, microformats, microformats vevent, "why, it's microformats"’
  191. [16:04:50] <drewinthehead> BenWard: with a bunch of switching depending on precedent in the string
  192. [16:05:14] <BenWard> Or: ‘"drew mclellan" "microformats" "microformats vevent" "why, it's microformats"
  193. [16:06:21] * gsnedders wishes it was simple
  194. [16:06:53] <drewinthehead> gsnedders: one of those problems that's easier to code than define :)
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  196. [16:08:33] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: Provided the code is simpler than http://trac.habariproject.org/habari/browser/trunk/htdocs/system/classes/post.php#L425 I'm happy :)
  197. [16:09:44] <drewinthehead> that doesn't look too complex, gsnedders
  198. [16:10:20] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/eff9c4c69690971d/842351a43bb5e165
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  200. [16:12:20] <drewinthehead> searching for tag parsing algorithms is tricky
  201. [16:12:48] <drewinthehead> I'd just leap in and code it ... in fact I've been meaning to do that myself. useful snippet to have.
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  260. [20:32:00] <riffraff> hi
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  263. [20:33:49] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  270. [21:01:20] <KevinMarks> is anyone here good a wikipedia templates?
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  272. [21:02:59] <KevinMarks> good *at* wikipedia templates
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  286. [21:53:41] <KevinMarks> yay, got the hCard in wikipedia's restaurant template to have an address in
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  288. [21:58:04] <jibot> georgebrock is George Brocklehurst, a freelance web developer from London
  289. [21:58:28] <mfbot> [[recipe-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=27497 * Yde * (+273) Discussion - added concern about the 'note' property
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  309. [23:00:28] <tantek> KevinMarks, that's great news! Definitely add that to the hCard examples in the wild page with a sample URL of a restaurant that uses said template.
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