IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-01-19

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  20. [06:05:15] <Atamido> Is there any special markup for attachments linked from an hAtom?
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  44. [09:46:43] <mfbot> Tantek edited articles "add Microformats: The Quiet Revolution by John Allsopp" (+424) http://is.gd/gqKa
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  73. [14:00:10] <cygx> hi there
  74. [14:00:38] <cygx> there are a lot of possible design patterns for microformats - but most aren't really semantically meaningful
  75. [14:00:58] <cygx> what do you think about the following approach: http://pastebin.com/f438fde29
  76. [14:10:13] <tobyink> cygx: I don't think <q> is particularly correct in terms of semantics. Is it really a quote? Did somebody say it? Does it look proper with quote marks around it? <a> is possibly closer.
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  78. [14:11:09] <tobyink> Whatsmore, it doesn't really match real-life publishing patterns. Have you ever seen someone include a glossary at the end of an article defining the use of terms like "10 o'clock on the tenth"?
  79. [14:11:50] <cygx> it's about the markup, not the display - that's what CSS is for!
  80. [14:12:01] <tobyink> Lastly, it moves the machine-readable data far away from the human-readable data, which is bad for maintenance.
  81. [14:12:18] <tobyink> cygx: But you need to be aware of how things look in non-CSS agents.
  82. [14:13:33] <cygx> tobyink: so non-css agants get quotes and a definition list at the and - i find that less intrusive than the issues with eg the abbr+title...
  83. [14:13:36] <tobyink> But if you really do want to publish your dates like that, with a few minor modifications, you should be able to get it to work in existing parsers. Change the <q> to <a class="include"> and then add class="value" to the <dd>.
  84. [14:13:57] <cygx> man, lot's of typos :(
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  86. [14:15:30] <tobyink> Oh, and add the id attribute to the <dd> instead of the <dl>.
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  88. [14:17:12] <cygx> I think from the point of view of html semantics, this would be the better approach - a single, id'd list of dates which can get quoted repeatedly
  89. [14:17:18] <cygx> feels right to me
  90. [14:18:34] <tobyink> If you are going to go down that route, then I agree that a single ID is better. My suggestion of moving the id onto the <dd> was intended merely as a way of getting your code to work in existing tools.
  91. [14:19:00] <tobyink> (In conjunction with <a class="include"> and <dd class="value">)
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  94. [14:23:25] <cygx> would this: http://pastebin.com/f76fc2711 be the right way to confrm to the include pattern?
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  96. [14:49:01] <tobyink> cygx: http://pastebin.com/f76fc2711 should probably work.
  97. [14:57:25] <cygx> thanks - perhaps I'll post something again after having thought about this some more
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  101. [15:30:48] <Atamido> There doesn't seem to be anything anywhere about marking up a list of files.
  102. [15:31:17] <Atamido> Just some brainstorming about hashes.
  103. [15:32:30] <Atamido> I need to show file name, mime type, size, and hash.
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  115. [16:46:40] <tobyink> rel=enclosure plus @href (tells you the file name) and @type (tells you the media type). After that, you still want hash and file size, but that's a start.
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  156. [22:23:57] <mfbot> BenWard edited value-excerption-empty-value-test "Tweaked language. I think this is ready to go." (+653) http://is.gd/gvaE
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  158. [22:33:34] <mfbot> BenWard edited value-excerption-empty-value-test "/* The proposed parsing rules */ add quick clarification of why the value must be first-child of property." (+174) http://is.gd/gvej
  159. [22:35:51] <mfbot> BenWard edited value-excerption-empty-value-test "/* Response */ Fixed broken wiki link" (-29) http://is.gd/gvfm
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  161. [22:49:38] <mfbot> BenWard edited value-excerption-empty-value-test "/* Successful Tests */ Trim some table headers" (-12) http://is.gd/gvkD
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  163. [22:52:20] <benward> Good afternoon/evening everybody. Could you please have a read through this wiki page and ping me back any errors/problems you see. I want to push this to the public masses for testing and feedback today. http://microformats.org/wiki/value-excerption-empty-value-test
  164. [22:53:41] <mfbot> BenWard edited value-excerption-empty-value-test "Tweak page title." (+5) http://is.gd/gvme
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