IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-06-02

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  52. [04:03:16] <mfbot> Elli edited hatom-examples "Fixed "changes" section as it did not reflect the actual HTML in the example" (+34) http://is.gd/LY07
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  60. [04:54:16] <josephholsten> that's wierd. singpolyma always disappears when I'm around
  61. [04:54:42] <josephholsten> has anyone worked with citation microformats?
  62. [04:55:41] <josephholsten> I feel like wikipedia could really benefit from citation getting nailed down and used in its templates
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  90. [09:33:03] <mfbot> Dirtykoala edited geo-examples-in-wild "/* Geo Examples In The Wild */ " (+155) http://is.gd/M7Aa
  91. [09:35:41] <mfbot> Dirtykoala edited hcard-examples-in-wild-fr "/* Nouveaux exemples */ " (+193) http://is.gd/M7EP
  92. [09:38:40] <mfbot> Dirtykoala edited hcalendar-examples-in-wild-fr "/* nouveaux exemples */ " (+182) http://is.gd/M7KA
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  120. [15:26:05] <csarven> Voted up. WolframAlpha might want to start by outputting its results in something other than regular images where suitable (i.e., marked up text, MathML, SVG)
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  125. [15:31:02] * SignpostMarv noted that WolframAlpha didn't know who Tantek was. given how many hCards there are peppered about the net with Tantek's name on....
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  137. [16:14:55] <Politoed> voted up
  138. [16:20:50] <SignpostMarv> ty
  139. [16:21:19] <ntoll> FYI, I just updated my django-microformats plugin-application: http://github.com/ntoll/microformats/tree/master (added hAtom support)
  140. [16:23:07] <SignpostMarv> ah yes, that reminds me
  141. [16:23:20] * SignpostMarv wrote a WordPress plugin that generates profile widgets using hResume: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/metaverse-id/
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  147. [16:50:22] <tantek> greetings - just catching up on archives.
  148. [16:51:28] <tantek> SignpostMarv, is your WordPress plugin listed on the hResume implementations section/page? http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Implementations
  149. [16:51:47] <tantek> ntoll - very cool with the hAtom support
  150. [16:52:22] <SignpostMarv> tantek: could you check the output to see if I've marked it up right before I do? http://blog.signpostmarv.name/
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  152. [16:52:40] <tantek> go ahead and add it anyway - no need to wait.
  153. [16:53:42] * SignpostMarv recalls your previous opinion that "virtual worlds weren't deserving of microformats"- does that apply to what this plugin is doing ?
  154. [16:54:41] <tantek> it's certainly more interesting to discuss an actual example like you have on your blog
  155. [16:55:12] <tantek> in general the markup looks very good
  156. [16:55:29] <tantek> looks like there are two "summary" elements - is that intentional?
  157. [16:55:33] <SignpostMarv> oh ?
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  159. [16:55:45] <tantek> <a class="url fn summary" rel="me" href="http://world.secondlife.com/resident/83b3987f-9520-4275-8efe-3ac13dd3f635">SignpostMarv Martin</a>
  160. [16:55:48] <SignpostMarv> ah, typo
  161. [16:55:52] <tantek> <p class="summary">SignpostMarv Martin - If...
  162. [16:55:58] <SignpostMarv> i was using hListing before I switched to hResume
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  164. [16:56:18] <tantek> also, perhaps this
  165. [16:56:20] <tantek> <br />
  166. [16:56:20] <tantek> http://onxiam.com/people/SignpostMarv</p>
  167. [16:56:23] <tantek> could be marked up
  168. [16:56:44] <SignpostMarv> its pulled from http://world.secondlife.com/resident/83b3987f-9520-4275-8efe-3ac13dd3f635
  169. [16:56:59] <tantek> <a rel="me" href="http://onxiam.com/people/SignpostMarv">my OnXiam page</a>
  170. [16:57:19] <SignpostMarv> the scraper code removes the extra HTML, since there are a few bugs with regards to Linden Lab's link parsing
  171. [16:57:31] <tantek> ah ok
  172. [16:57:38] <SignpostMarv> international characters have a tendency to break their output
  173. [16:57:56] <SignpostMarv> (its also entered as plain text when you edit your profile)
  174. [16:58:04] <SignpostMarv> but yes, its a good point.
  175. [16:58:13] <SignpostMarv> I'll put it on the to-do list
  176. [16:58:39] <tantek> I think the only key question remaining is do you want to conflate your physical and SL identities
  177. [16:59:12] <SignpostMarv> pseudonyms
  178. [17:00:05] <tantek> conflicts are only likely to arise when you markup your virtual identity with physical properties
  179. [17:00:06] <tantek> e.g. bday
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  181. [17:00:39] <SignpostMarv> ah
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  183. [17:01:02] <tantek> which I didn't really realize until seeing your actual example
  184. [17:01:09] <tantek> (this has been a good exercise)
  185. [17:01:39] <SignpostMarv> bday = date account was created, known colloquially as "rezday"
  186. [17:01:44] <SignpostMarv> ^in this case
  187. [17:02:12] <tantek> indeed. consider that people don't list their AIM or other online accounts as having a "bday" of the date the account was created
  188. [17:02:41] <tantek> my understanding of bday is that it is meant to represent the physical birth date of the entity represented by the vCard/hCard
  189. [17:02:42] <SignpostMarv> in practice, Second Life users tend to celebrate their rezday as they would their birthday
  190. [17:03:46] <tantek> there are other analogies for this too - such as the "member since 1998" printing on credit cards
  191. [17:04:02] <tantek> the date of when that specific facet/identity was created
  192. [17:04:14] <tantek> rather than the entity that the facet/identity is a part of
  193. [17:04:22] <tantek> I think they can be considered different concepts
  194. [17:04:48] <SignpostMarv> hEvent then ?
  195. [17:05:27] <tantek> given that rezday is recognized and regarded as special in Second Life, it seems like a reasonable thing to add to http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#Suggestions_for_New_Properties
  196. [17:06:04] <tantek> hmm - yes, you could mark it up as an hCalendar event as well
  197. [17:07:49] <SignpostMarv> <div class="rezday vevent"><span class="summary">Rezday: </span> <abbr class="dtstart" title="2005-10-08">Rezday: 8th Oct, 2005</abbr>
  198. [17:07:49] <SignpostMarv> </div> ?
  199. [17:08:51] <tantek> that seems reasonable - perhaps with the ":" omitted from the summary (can be put outside the span), and removing the duplicate "Rezday:" inside the dtstart.
  200. [17:09:11] * SignpostMarv copied & pasted from the blog code for laziness :P
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  202. [17:10:53] <SignpostMarv> any other thoughts ?
  203. [17:11:36] <SignpostMarv> such as the use of the skills aspect of the hResume spec to markup the WoW & Metaplace character skills
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  206. [17:32:11] <tantek> it seems to me that virtual skills are still skills because you still have the real ability to perform the virtual act right?
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  208. [17:35:17] <SignpostMarv> that and it also applies to fictional persons' fictional skills i think
  209. [17:36:32] * SignpostMarv wonders if superhero powers equates to skills
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  214. [17:42:10] <tantek> SignpostMarv, perhaps - e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
  215. [17:43:21] * SignpostMarv guesses that "Team affiliations" would be marked up as I've marked guilds in the WoW & LoTRO widgets
  216. [17:43:24] <tantek> or more specifically, you could look into adding hResume to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_comics_character
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  219. [17:45:12] <SignpostMarv> hehe
  220. [17:45:36] <SignpostMarv> doesn't wikipedia suffer from the usual issues of not being able to add class="url" to anchors ?
  221. [17:50:13] <SignpostMarv> e.g. <a class="url fn org" href="...">Justice League</a>
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  225. [18:15:40] <tantek> I think that issue is only in directly editing pages - I think templates may have more capabilities but I'm not an expert on MediaWiki templates (just started creating a few myself for microformats.org/wiki )
  226. [18:16:22] <SignpostMarv> hrm. speaking of templates,
  227. [18:16:47] <SignpostMarv> https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Template:Office_Hours/Documentation
  228. [18:17:43] * SignpostMarv wrote template code to embed Linden Lab employee office hours as hCalendar so that the technorati hCalendar > iCal service could be used, removing the need to maintain a seperate google calendar
  229. [18:17:59] <tantek> wow that's cool!
  230. [18:18:27] <tantek> do you work for Linden Lab?
  231. [18:18:29] <SignpostMarv> nope
  232. [18:18:49] * SignpostMarv just has a habit of fixing "what they're doing wrong" :-P
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  234. [18:19:48] <SignpostMarv> I had a project going for a while that I recently had to retire due to database issues (shared hosting FTL), that was basically a rewrite of all the content on the world.secondlife.com, with microformatted cross-referencing up the wazoo
  235. [18:20:14] <SignpostMarv> it kinda sucks that Google announced rich snippets just after I retired the project :-s
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  237. [18:27:50] * SignpostMarv also gave their xstreetsl.com guy a strong suggestion to switch the markup to hListing etc.
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  275. [22:24:12] <mfbot> BenWard created container-brainstorming "Created container brainstorming. Longrunnining hCalendar idea is compatible with hReview discussion as well. Documenting shared/generic aspects of shared-property-containers with some examples." http://is.gd/MDIo
  276. [22:24:45] <mfbot> BenWard edited container-brainstorming "/* What's a Container? */ Fixed closed code tag" (+1) http://is.gd/MDJI
  277. [22:25:50] <mfbot> BenWard edited container-brainstorming "/* =Shared hCalendar Properties */ Added contextual intro sentence to examples. Fixed code+heading" (+115) http://is.gd/MDLZ
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  297. [23:42:46] <mfbot> Tantek edited start-simple "add short URL" (+39) http://is.gd/MGVN
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  299. [23:54:59] <SignpostMarv> heh. http://tr.im/µformat

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