IRC Log for #microformats on 2009-08-28

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  3. [17:03:14] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07 CEST 2007
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  6. [17:16:45] <mkaply> So this is wrong, right?
  7. [17:16:48] <mkaply> <SPAN title="2009-03-20" class="dtend">20</SPAN>, at <SPAN class="location">
  8. [17:16:50] <mkaply> Las Vegas, NV</SPAN>
  9. [17:17:25] <mkaply> doesn't it have to have value-title?
  10. [17:18:54] <mkaply> Can someone please implement some thorough testcases on this stuff? Specs are worthless without valid/invalid tests
  11. [17:21:24] <singpolyma> mkaply: Yes, that's always been wrong I think. It's wrong even with class="value-title"
  12. [17:22:02] <singpolyma> <span class="dtend"><span class="value-title" title="2009-03-20"> </span> 20</span>
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  32. [19:02:31] * mkaply doesn't understand why when people write articles about microformats, they don't put live microformats in the article :)
  33. [19:02:52] <tantek> mkaply - often the content author is not the same as the web site publisher
  34. [19:03:07] <mkaply> tantek: I'm thinking of blog posts.
  35. [19:03:13] <tantek> heh - that's worse :)
  36. [19:03:20] <mkaply> blog posts that explain value-title should make the demos live
  37. [19:03:42] <tantek> it's like how come people that do conferences about the latest in web technology don't actually use the web technology themselves in their conference sites - never understood that
  38. [19:03:52] <tantek> (seems like an obvious credibility gap)
  39. [19:04:21] <tantek> mkaply - the MIX online article?
  40. [19:04:44] <mkaply> tantek: I was looking at this one
  41. [19:04:45] <mkaply> http://www.ablognotlimited.com/articles/getting-semantic-with-microformats-part-8-value-class-pattern/
  42. [19:04:57] <tantek> oh emily's
  43. [19:08:16] <tantek> mkaply, I asked her to include the code examples as inline code as well: http://www.ablognotlimited.com/articles/getting-semantic-with-microformats-part-8-value-class-pattern/#comment6
  44. [19:11:49] <mkaply> I have a bug against Operator to handle BC dates. That's invalid, right? ISO can't represent BC dates?
  45. [19:12:06] <mkaply> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478066
  46. [19:14:06] <mkaply> And one more operator opinion question - I'm going to switch it so that everytime it hits a web page, it does so in a new tab. Is there anyone that would complain about that? Should I make it a pref?
  47. [19:19:39] <tantek> re: BC dates - related, there have been some issues/questions about hCalendar and vague/historical dates - I've resolved them as out of scope.
  48. [19:19:54] <tantek> mkaply - what do you mean by "hits a web page"?
  49. [19:20:20] <mkaply> tantek: like any time it does a web thing. Like right now if you add a yahoo contact, it replaces the existing web page by default. I'm going to make it open a new tab by default
  50. [19:20:46] <tantek> oh that sounds like a good idea - so the user doesn't lose their context
  51. [19:20:54] <tantek> btw re: BC dates in hCalendar: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues-closed#historical-dates
  52. [19:21:24] <tantek> in short - tell anyone who asks to please contribute towards the development of a history microformat: http://microformats.org/wiki/history
  53. [19:33:30] <benward> mkaply Not sure about the new tab behaviour. Rather than a pref, it strikes me it should just respond the the usual Option+Click/Middle click modifiers to act in a new context?
  54. [19:33:55] <mkaply> benward: it does. Buy most people have no idea about that. They expect it to default to a new tab
  55. [19:34:28] <mkaply> the firefox prefs to mess with that behavior are completely hidden.
  56. [19:34:41] <mkaply> And the ones used by chrome (bookmarks, etc.) are separate from the ones used for web pages.
  57. [19:34:52] <mkaply> What I thought was that I could default to new tab and add a pref to change it back if people hate it
  58. [19:35:03] <benward> tantek wiki/history is already taken by the history of microformats page
  59. [19:35:44] <tantek> oh wait I thought there was some disambig
  60. [19:36:23] <benward> /wiki/history just redirects to history of microformats. There is disambiguation as well, but that's separate
  61. [19:36:57] <tantek> ah thanks - will fix
  62. [19:41:20] <tantek> ok, created http://microformats.org/wiki/history-effort
  63. [19:42:06] <tantek> and link fixed in closed issues
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  68. [21:08:22] <mkaply> so if dtend is just a time, infer date from dtstart?
  69. [21:18:14] <madness> tantek: I'm starting to put together principles-examples
  70. [21:18:28] <mkaply> madness: he left
  71. [21:18:43] <madness> whoops, duh
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