IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-02-11
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- [00:03:01] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07 GMT+02:00 2007
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- [02:11:18] <abernier>
hi Tantek
- [02:12:40] <abernier>
did you receive my suggestion about your shortener URL?
- [02:23:05] <abernier>
In my mind t.tk would be ideal for you much more than ttk.me, just wanted to share the idea with you
- [02:24:37] <tantek>
hmm
- [02:25:26] <tantek>
what registrar supports .tk? any idea of annual cost?
- [02:27:05] <abernier>
I've just seen .tk was valid domain name extension, haven't searched a lot after this...
- [02:27:51] <tantek>
seems like t.tk tn.tk and tan.tk are already registered by squatters
- [02:28:00] <abernier>
:s
- [02:29:34] <abernier>
I'm very curious about your implementation of Whistle, do you plan releasing it under any open license? (and also complete the description of it: http://tantek.pbworks.com/Whistle)
- [02:32:05] <tantek>
abernier - yes I plan on releasing Whistle as open source when it is a bit more developed
- [02:32:13] <tantek>
the majority of it is already open source as CASSIS
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http://cassisproject.com/
- [02:32:36] <tantek>
Whistle is written in CASSIS and uses CASSIS library functions.
- [02:33:44] <tantek>
I'm making sure the architecture/design works well for multiple content types, navigation schemes etc. before releasing it - I'd rather avoid unintentionally creating a bunch of shortlink deadends through a prematurely released tool :)
- [02:34:27] <abernier>
this is great news
- [02:35:31] <abernier>
I've took a look at cassis, but I'm not sure having well understood... for example, I read H2VX was using it, but I didn't understand where...
- [02:36:18] <tantek>
abernier H2VX is using it in the processing of the user-friendly H2VX URLs.
- [02:36:36] <tantek>
as well as in the UI on the front-end for generating said URLs
- [02:36:57] <tantek>
you can see the front-end uses cassis.js directly as javascript
- [02:39:18] <tantek>
James Johnson are you here?
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- [13:20:45] <boblet>
hey all. Does anyone know how to mark up a bilingual name in an hCard?
- [13:21:17] <boblet>
wrap both names in fn then add lang to spans? or make only preferred name fn, but indicate other name via name?
- [13:21:42] <boblet>
sorry, via n
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- [19:22:51] <mwunsch>
Question about GEO
- [19:25:34] <mwunsch>
Can geo use the value-class pattern?
- [19:25:37] <mwunsch>
IE
- [19:26:20] <mwunsch>
<div class="geo"><div class="latitude">Somewhere over <abbr class="value" title="machine-readable-lat">here</abbr></div></div>
- [19:32:18] <tantek>
mwunsch - yes, any property can potentially use it - however, see the value class pattern page for documentation of limitations
- [19:32:26] <mwunsch>
OK
- [19:32:28] <mwunsch>
Thank you
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- [19:43:55] <csarven>
Heya tantek Thanks for responding to latlon shorthand and geo link. I think our discussion has some overlap and some differences. Where we agree is that the rendered "lat:45.5140800; long:-73.6111000" text is more user friendly than the @title "45.5140800;-73.6111000" text. What I was suggesting is that, given bare bone <a href="http://www.geonames.org/6077243">Montréal, Quebec, Canada</a> geo link, we can turn that into a geo microformat
- [19:47:18] <csarven>
I totally agree that the rendered version is friendlier, however, using it in @title retains the intended rendered content as is
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- [19:51:08] <tantek>
the problem then is that the only other option is to use value-title and hide the data completely which is obviously non-optimal
- [19:51:23] <tantek>
and basically equivalent to not providing it at all
- [19:51:37] <tantek>
since providing hidden data is essentially the same as providing data that is untrustworthy
- [19:51:56] <tantek>
the code that provides it will eventually break, go out of date etc., and no one will notice
- [19:52:06] <tantek>
(because it is hidden)
- [19:52:15] <tantek>
so better to not introduce the problem in the first place
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- [19:59:20] <csarven>
Agreed.
- [20:04:37] <csarven>
Well, figured we could allow it on <a> as well since <abbr title="lat;lon" class="geo"> is allowed. And, given that it is not an arbitrary anchor (since it links to an actual map), it wouldn't be out of reach.
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- [20:12:08] <csarven>
Supposed to be a shorthand to <a><abbr title="lat;lon" class="geo"></abbr></a>
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- [20:21:08] <csarven>
Gotta run fetch food. BBL. :)
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- [20:21:26] <mwunsch>
Alright, I just made the initial push for the Ruby microformat parser I've been working on: http://github.com/mwunsch/hmachine ---- still deep in development and highly experimental. Not nearly full-featured yet
- [20:21:31] <mwunsch>
But it's just a little looksee
- [20:22:08] <tantek>
oh nice
- [20:22:15] <tantek>
does it pass the test suites?
- [20:23:07] <mwunsch>
The ones I've written, yes.
- [20:23:16] <mwunsch>
Are there standard microformat test suites?
- [20:23:27] <tantek>
there are a few yes
- [20:23:37] <tantek>
the most comprehensive is the one for value-class-pattern
- [20:23:39] <mwunsch>
Is there a place that aggregates them together?
- [20:23:45] <mwunsch>
Ahh yes, that's the one i saw
- [20:23:46] <tantek>
try the test-suites page :)
- [20:24:46] <mwunsch>
Oh wonderful
- [20:24:53] <mwunsch>
I'll add these into my own unit tests
- [20:25:52] <mwunsch>
More development will continue
- [20:26:01] <mwunsch>
I just wanted to get it up on github in case my computer explodes
- [20:26:24] <mwunsch>
But i'm quite happy with it, it's going to be a really robust semantic html tool
- [20:26:29] <mwunsch>
A Ruby library & CLI
- [21:13:07] <tantek>
that's awesome
- [21:13:11] <tantek>
the more the better
- [21:13:20] <tantek>
be sure to add it to the parsers page on the wiki
- [21:13:26] <tantek>
and announce it on microformats-dev
- [21:13:28] <tantek>
(list)
- [21:15:36] <mwunsch>
I'd like to flesh it out a bit more and then i'll make grander announcements... + fanfare
- [21:15:43] <mwunsch>
Get it passing those tests
- [21:15:51] <tantek>
cool
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