IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-02-11

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  3. [00:03:01] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07 GMT+02:00 2007
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  15. [02:11:18] <abernier> hi Tantek
  16. [02:12:40] <abernier> did you receive my suggestion about your shortener URL?
  17. [02:23:05] <abernier> In my mind t.tk would be ideal for you much more than ttk.me, just wanted to share the idea with you
  18. [02:24:37] <tantek> hmm
  19. [02:25:26] <tantek> what registrar supports .tk? any idea of annual cost?
  20. [02:27:05] <abernier> I've just seen .tk was valid domain name extension, haven't searched a lot after this...
  21. [02:27:51] <tantek> seems like t.tk tn.tk and tan.tk are already registered by squatters
  22. [02:28:00] <abernier> :s
  23. [02:29:34] <abernier> I'm very curious about your implementation of Whistle, do you plan releasing it under any open license? (and also complete the description of it: http://tantek.pbworks.com/Whistle)
  24. [02:32:05] <tantek> abernier - yes I plan on releasing Whistle as open source when it is a bit more developed
  25. [02:32:13] <tantek> the majority of it is already open source as CASSIS
  26. [02:32:19] <tantek> http://cassisproject.com/
  27. [02:32:36] <tantek> Whistle is written in CASSIS and uses CASSIS library functions.
  28. [02:33:44] <tantek> I'm making sure the architecture/design works well for multiple content types, navigation schemes etc. before releasing it - I'd rather avoid unintentionally creating a bunch of shortlink deadends through a prematurely released tool :)
  29. [02:34:27] <abernier> this is great news
  30. [02:35:31] <abernier> I've took a look at cassis, but I'm not sure having well understood... for example, I read H2VX was using it, but I didn't understand where...
  31. [02:36:18] <tantek> abernier H2VX is using it in the processing of the user-friendly H2VX URLs.
  32. [02:36:36] <tantek> as well as in the UI on the front-end for generating said URLs
  33. [02:36:57] <tantek> you can see the front-end uses cassis.js directly as javascript
  34. [02:39:18] <tantek> James Johnson are you here?
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  97. [13:20:45] <boblet> hey all. Does anyone know how to mark up a bilingual name in an hCard?
  98. [13:21:17] <boblet> wrap both names in fn then add lang to spans? or make only preferred name fn, but indicate other name via name?
  99. [13:21:42] <boblet> sorry, via n
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  125. [19:22:51] <mwunsch> Question about GEO
  126. [19:25:34] <mwunsch> Can geo use the value-class pattern?
  127. [19:25:37] <mwunsch> IE
  128. [19:26:20] <mwunsch> <div class="geo"><div class="latitude">Somewhere over <abbr class="value" title="machine-readable-lat">here</abbr></div></div>
  129. [19:32:18] <tantek> mwunsch - yes, any property can potentially use it - however, see the value class pattern page for documentation of limitations
  130. [19:32:26] <mwunsch> OK
  131. [19:32:28] <mwunsch> Thank you
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  133. [19:43:55] <csarven> Heya tantek Thanks for responding to latlon shorthand and geo link. I think our discussion has some overlap and some differences. Where we agree is that the rendered "lat:45.5140800; long:-73.6111000" text is more user friendly than the @title "45.5140800;-73.6111000" text. What I was suggesting is that, given bare bone <a href="http://www.geonames.org/6077243">Montréal, Quebec, Canada</a> geo link, we can turn that into a geo microformat
  134. [19:47:18] <csarven> I totally agree that the rendered version is friendlier, however, using it in @title retains the intended rendered content as is
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  136. [19:51:08] <tantek> the problem then is that the only other option is to use value-title and hide the data completely which is obviously non-optimal
  137. [19:51:23] <tantek> and basically equivalent to not providing it at all
  138. [19:51:37] <tantek> since providing hidden data is essentially the same as providing data that is untrustworthy
  139. [19:51:56] <tantek> the code that provides it will eventually break, go out of date etc., and no one will notice
  140. [19:52:06] <tantek> (because it is hidden)
  141. [19:52:15] <tantek> so better to not introduce the problem in the first place
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  144. [19:59:20] <csarven> Agreed.
  145. [20:04:37] <csarven> Well, figured we could allow it on <a> as well since <abbr title="lat;lon" class="geo"> is allowed. And, given that it is not an arbitrary anchor (since it links to an actual map), it wouldn't be out of reach.
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  147. [20:12:08] <csarven> Supposed to be a shorthand to <a><abbr title="lat;lon" class="geo"></abbr></a>
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  149. [20:21:08] <csarven> Gotta run fetch food. BBL. :)
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  151. [20:21:26] <mwunsch> Alright, I just made the initial push for the Ruby microformat parser I've been working on: http://github.com/mwunsch/hmachine ---- still deep in development and highly experimental. Not nearly full-featured yet
  152. [20:21:31] <mwunsch> But it's just a little looksee
  153. [20:22:08] <tantek> oh nice
  154. [20:22:15] <tantek> does it pass the test suites?
  155. [20:23:07] <mwunsch> The ones I've written, yes.
  156. [20:23:16] <mwunsch> Are there standard microformat test suites?
  157. [20:23:27] <tantek> there are a few yes
  158. [20:23:37] <tantek> the most comprehensive is the one for value-class-pattern
  159. [20:23:39] <mwunsch> Is there a place that aggregates them together?
  160. [20:23:45] <mwunsch> Ahh yes, that's the one i saw
  161. [20:23:46] <tantek> try the test-suites page :)
  162. [20:24:46] <mwunsch> Oh wonderful
  163. [20:24:53] <mwunsch> I'll add these into my own unit tests
  164. [20:25:52] <mwunsch> More development will continue
  165. [20:26:01] <mwunsch> I just wanted to get it up on github in case my computer explodes
  166. [20:26:24] <mwunsch> But i'm quite happy with it, it's going to be a really robust semantic html tool
  167. [20:26:29] <mwunsch> A Ruby library & CLI
  168. [21:13:07] <tantek> that's awesome
  169. [21:13:11] <tantek> the more the better
  170. [21:13:20] <tantek> be sure to add it to the parsers page on the wiki
  171. [21:13:26] <tantek> and announce it on microformats-dev
  172. [21:13:28] <tantek> (list)
  173. [21:15:36] <mwunsch> I'd like to flesh it out a bit more and then i'll make grander announcements... + fanfare
  174. [21:15:43] <mwunsch> Get it passing those tests
  175. [21:15:51] <tantek> cool
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