IRC Log for #microformats on 2010-03-02

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  50. [14:23:48] <_ivc> anyone else have issues with the jquery site, css doesnt load from static.jquery.com
  51. [14:23:49] <_ivc> http://jquery.com/
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  55. [15:17:44] <mwunsch> Just announced Prism on microformats-discuss. I guess that makes it 'official'
  56. [15:28:13] <Phae> just got the mail
  57. [15:36:42] <mwunsch> :-)
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  73. [18:23:12] <tantek> mwunsch - congrats!
  74. [18:23:41] <tantek> feel free to also send an email to microformats-dev - as that's where a lot more programmer types are likely to be hanging out and reading
  75. [18:23:45] <mwunsch> tantek: thank you. still lots more to do. submitting a proposal today for Gotham Ruby Conference to talk about microformats, posh, and prism
  76. [18:23:50] <mwunsch> Okay, will do, thanks
  77. [18:23:51] <tantek> excellent
  78. [18:24:06] <tantek> and since you're on IRC pretty regularly, invite folks on microformats-dev to join you here on #microformats also for discussions
  79. [18:25:27] <tantek> TobyInk - who recently announced his updated Perl microformats parser - is here pretty regularly too.
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  81. [18:30:05] <mwunsch> Will do!
  82. [18:35:23] <tantek> thanks mwunsch - there's definitely several projects I know of going on that I'm going to recommend Prism for
  83. [18:35:32] <tantek> lots of folks building things with Ruby these days it seems
  84. [18:38:30] <mwunsch> great
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  92. [21:14:03] <ITrace> Is this a good channel to handle ICS file issues?
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  94. [21:38:04] <ITrace> I'm trying to format calendar appointments, but I'm having trouble with the date times. In testing some people have said that the time is off by 5 hours. I think it has something to do with the VTIMEZONE but I don't understand it.
  95. [21:39:16] <singpolyma> You can't just put the timezone as part of DTSTART?
  96. [21:39:52] <ITrace> Well I could but what is the syntax for that?
  97. [21:40:10] <ITrace> Does it look like this: DTSTART:20100318T213000Z
  98. [21:41:25] <ITrace> I know that the "Z" stands for something but I don't know what.
  99. [21:43:24] <mwunsch> Z
  100. [21:43:27] <mwunsch> means UTC
  101. [21:43:38] <mwunsch> If you do thhis
  102. [21:43:49] <mwunsch> DTSTART:20100318T213000-5:00
  103. [21:44:05] <mwunsch> you'll get -5:00 UTC (or Eastern Standard Time)
  104. [21:44:24] <mwunsch> not exactly sure how ics handles that
  105. [21:45:26] <ITrace> Ok. What will happen if it's not set? I.E. DTSTART:20100318T213000 That's how we had it in our test. There was no timezone information, but some people were still getting the wrong timezone.
  106. [21:47:12] <singpolyma> if there's no timezone I'm not sure you have any guarantee as to what happens
  107. [21:47:15] <singpolyma> will depend on the app
  108. [21:47:30] <ITrace> Thanks.
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  111. [22:13:57] <tantek> mwunsch, DTSTART:20100318T213000-5:00 is not valid ICS
  112. [22:14:18] <tantek> ICS does not allow timezone offsets - only timezone objects or Z
  113. [22:14:21] <tantek> AFAIK
  114. [22:14:25] <mwunsch> tantek: I figured as much, not having looked at ICS closely enough.
  115. [22:14:33] <tantek> it has to be converted by the hCal to iCal processor
  116. [22:14:51] <tantek> ITrace - DTSTART:20100318T213000 is a "floating" datetime
  117. [22:14:52] <tantek> time
  118. [22:15:08] <tantek> which means that it occurs at 9:30pm in every timezone
  119. [22:15:37] <tantek> if you need to specify a precise datetime in iCalendar, convert it to UTC
  120. [22:15:56] <tantek> but it is even easier to just publish hCalendar on your website and let the converters take care of that for you
  121. [22:19:16] <ITrace> I created a new appointment in Outlook and exported it as a ICS file. That's how I got the DTSTART with a Z on the end.
  122. [22:20:35] <mwunsch> 2313000Z will always be 9:30 UTC
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