IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-07

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  1. [00:28:17] * shigeta (n=shigeta@124.32.114.226) has joined #openid
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  3. [01:12:52] <SvenDowideit> can anyone advise me on the fastest & simplest way to make a Consumer in perl?
  4. [01:13:26] <SvenDowideit> is Net::OpenID::Consumer actually the right library?
  5. [01:14:58] * GabeW is not a perl person (any more)
  6. [01:15:35] <SvenDowideit> I started adding OpenId to TWiki over a year ago, expecting that N::O::C would continue development
  7. [01:19:49] <_keturn> I think I'd look for an OpenID implementation for Perl from Sxip at this point
  8. [01:20:11] <_keturn> either on code.google or... that page where sxip keeps their code, which I don't remember the URL for
  9. [01:20:27] <SvenDowideit> ah, so not in CPAN?
  10. [01:20:37] <SvenDowideit> thanks
  11. [01:20:47] <_keturn> I guess it would make sense for them to put it in CPAN too
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  13. [01:20:53] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  14. [01:21:00] <_keturn> but I haven't been keeping track of who has been claiming what CPAN module name
  15. [01:21:05] <SvenDowideit> it'd be 'nice' :)
  16. [01:21:27] <SvenDowideit> N::O::C is the only one in debian for eg
  17. [01:22:04] <_keturn> (speaking of which, I need to respond to wiggy's message about cheeseshop...)
  18. [01:22:19] <GabeW> yes
  19. [01:22:22] <GabeW> you should!
  20. [01:22:54] <_keturn> it is largely false, because there actually newer (if not newest) versions of those things in there
  21. [01:23:16] <_keturn> it is just that using google to search cheeseshop records appears to be amazingly ineffective
  22. [01:23:16] <GabeW> well, anyway, confusion reigns, apparently
  23. [01:23:19] <GabeW> hehe
  24. [01:23:50] <_keturn> I am not quite sure what to do about the easy_install thing
  25. [01:23:58] <GabeW> i like it
  26. [01:24:01] <_keturn> yeah?
  27. [01:24:13] <GabeW> its nice
  28. [01:24:19] <GabeW> if its what I'm thinking about
  29. [01:24:34] <GabeW> oh wait
  30. [01:24:41] <GabeW> is that different than ez_setup.py?
  31. [01:24:52] <_keturn> the use of .pth files still strikes me as weird, doesn't behave the way I expect, and I already have a package manager, thankyouverymuch
  32. [01:25:03] <GabeW> you do?
  33. [01:25:16] <_keturn> aptitude
  34. [01:25:19] <GabeW> oh
  35. [01:25:25] <GabeW> hmm
  36. [01:25:27] <GabeW> yah, well, i don't
  37. [01:25:38] <_keturn> or "yum" or "emerge" or ...
  38. [01:25:43] <_keturn> all perfectly capable
  39. [01:25:44] <GabeW> windows update?
  40. [01:25:54] <j3h> "upgrade"?
  41. [01:25:54] <_keturn> dude, don't run server code on Windows
  42. [01:25:58] <_keturn> it's bad for you
  43. [01:26:01] <GabeW> heh
  44. [01:26:02] <GabeW> well
  45. [01:26:07] <SvenDowideit> depends on the hourly rate?
  46. [01:26:09] <GabeW> not all my code is server code
  47. [01:27:33] <_keturn> I guess that's true. I don't know very much about what to do about that.
  48. [01:28:09] <GabeW> in any case, there is a clash of library management betweenlanguage environments and os's
  49. [01:28:19] <GabeW> true in perl too
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  51. [02:13:13] <rorek> SvenDowideit, did you find a perl lib that you like?
  52. [02:13:46] <SvenDowideit> like? no
  53. [02:14:08] <rorek> are you trying to use Net::OpenID::Consumer ?
  54. [02:14:10] <SvenDowideit> i'll be taking a look at the sxip one later tonite, though
  55. [02:14:14] <SvenDowideit> i did y
  56. [02:14:37] <SvenDowideit> in yesterdays logs for this channel is one set of issues i had
  57. [02:14:48] <SvenDowideit> the other is that it feels very unfinished
  58. [02:15:00] <rorek> There's Net::OpenID::JanRain::Consumer which I ported from the JR python lib
  59. [02:15:07] <SvenDowideit> so i was hoping to hear that there was a 'one new true way'
  60. [02:15:15] <_keturn> I was just talking to someone about Twiki this weekend -- about how Wagn kind of gives me Twiki flashbacks -- saying I wasn't sure anyone used it anymore. Guess I was wrong.
  61. [02:15:24] <SvenDowideit> giggle
  62. [02:15:34] <rorek> And that will likely have a much more similar interface to the coming sxip lib
  63. [02:15:36] <SvenDowideit> twiki's still got a large portion of the enterprise market
  64. [02:15:55] <SvenDowideit> oh, so the sxip one is not done & available?
  65. [02:16:05] <rorek> maybe it is
  66. [02:16:18] <rorek> I try to avoid perl whenever possible
  67. [02:16:30] <SvenDowideit> http://code.sxip.com/ seems to say yes :)
  68. [02:16:40] <rorek> if that one's done, go for that
  69. [02:16:45] <SvenDowideit> but it would help speed adoption if there was _one_ only
  70. [02:17:15] <rorek> well, there is just one for ruby and python
  71. [02:17:29] <rorek> I hereby deprecate perl for webapps
  72. [02:17:29] <SvenDowideit> as i've come and gone again a few times since 2005, cos OpenID is not high on my personal needs list
  73. [02:17:46] <SvenDowideit> shrugity :)
  74. [02:18:19] <SvenDowideit> if it were up to me, i'd drop anything but c++ and javascript for web apps
  75. [02:18:34] <SvenDowideit> but hey, its about the bigger picture
  76. [02:18:37] <rorek> I'm a rails dude myself.
  77. [02:19:15] <rorek> IIRC there's a c++ lib but my memory is extremely foggy
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  79. [02:19:39] <SvenDowideit> i've been meaning to do a TWiki Consumer and Server for rather a long time
  80. [02:20:08] <SvenDowideit> but there's simply been too much stuffing around, and not enough time for me to look in detail
  81. [02:20:43] <SvenDowideit> but thankyou for the pointers
  82. [02:20:50] <DannoHung> Hi, if anyone here is involved with myopenid.com, I was wondering about an issue where personalized icons may have been deleted recently (I'm highly confident it wasn't a phishing attack)
  83. [02:21:27] <SvenDowideit> if N::O::C is falling behind, is there any scope to depreicate it?
  84. [02:22:00] <rorek> Brad, the author, is not planning on supporting openid 2.0
  85. [02:22:16] <SvenDowideit> i'm not sure it supports openid 1.0
  86. [02:22:35] <SvenDowideit> it crashes when you point it to a myopenid.com id
  87. [02:23:21] <SvenDowideit> I made a fix for it, but havn't sent it to Brad
  88. [02:23:44] <_keturn> DannoHung: There was some work on myopenid.com going on today... I don't know enough about the details to say for sure, but it's possible it disrupted the sessions associated with the icons
  89. [02:23:48] * _keturn goes to check his own account
  90. [02:24:08] <SvenDowideit> but it is a bit primitive, in that it doesn't parse give you the persona info, or anything
  91. [02:24:17] <DannoHung> It wasn't just when I got to the sign on page, the image was gone after I'd signed in.
  92. [02:24:27] <rorek> my myopenid image is still there
  93. [02:24:33] <rorek> maybe you cleared your cookies?
  94. [02:24:37] <_keturn> mine is still there too
  95. [02:24:49] <DannoHung> Hmm... maybe I was dreaming when I uploaded the image...
  96. [02:26:26] <rorek> SvenDowideit, it doesn't support extensions either. I guess that's 1.1...?
  97. [02:26:52] <SvenDowideit> :) not that i'd know - i'm justa newbie openid wannabe user
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  100. [03:54:41] <evanpro> So, does the new cardspace announcement mean that Windows Live IDs will be usable as Open IDs?
  101. [03:58:24] <GabeW> good question!
  102. [04:03:25] <gregh> microsoft engineers are perhaps trying to figure out the answer to that question as we speak :)
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  105. [04:51:33] <jibot> cks is Christopher St. John and has a brain filled with inane drivel from irc chat logs
  106. [04:54:22] <cks> i've found discussion of the openid logo license, but (and perhaps i'm just brain-fried) is there an official logo repository?
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  113. [05:43:26] <sven_> well, thats depressing.
  114. [05:44:05] <sven_> all 3 OpenID Consuption modules are not complete enough to use for getting a FullName from myopenid.com
  115. [05:44:51] <sven_> the sxip one seems to be unfinished, and docco less, brads dies, and the JanRain one is the only one that works out of the box
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  117. [05:45:44] <rorek> Are you getting the JR one to work to do what you want?
  118. [05:45:48] <sven_> does anyone know why there are 3 unfinished libraries published?
  119. [05:45:51] <sven_> nope
  120. [05:46:03] <jirwin> I have janrain's workingin php just fine
  121. [05:46:25] <sven_> I can the the JR one to authenticate though
  122. [05:46:31] <sven_> so its the best so far
  123. [05:47:15] <sven_> i want to get FullName, and either the docco is missing how to ask for it, or it does not doit - i don't know yet :)
  124. [05:48:13] <sven_> considering that the JR one is the only one that works (though on cpan install it fails a test due to an assumption that i'd have postgress installed)
  125. [05:54:48] <sven_> the main thing that worries me is that i can't see evidence that the JR library is not also unmaintained
  126. [05:57:15] <keturn> publishing unfinished work in a central principle of open source software!
  127. [05:58:04] <sven_> mmm, true, but it makes the day job i had scheduled to add openid support to twiki um, fruitless
  128. [05:58:27] <keturn> sven_: nobody at JanRain likes writing applications (or libraries to support applications) in Perl
  129. [05:58:36] <keturn> Sxip likes Perl
  130. [05:58:38] <sven_> ah, good to know
  131. [05:58:51] <sven_> so i should not invest too much in the JR one
  132. [05:59:07] <keturn> so the plan was pretty much to let Sxip take up the banner on that one
  133. [05:59:16] <sven_> ok, cool
  134. [05:59:54] <sven_> does anyone know about release timings for theirs?
  135. [06:00:12] <sven_> cos from the subversion code i read, it looks like its far from cooked
  136. [06:00:16] <keturn> not really
  137. [06:00:25] <sven_> ok :)
  138. [06:00:34] <rorek> I'd email them
  139. [06:00:48] <keturn> I'm in slightly better touch with their Java libs, but that doesn't help you much either
  140. [06:00:57] <sven_> :)
  141. [06:01:30] <sven_> so emails to sxip and brad would be more useful than to JR
  142. [06:01:40] <rorek> well you're talking to JR right now
  143. [06:01:45] <sven_> hehe
  144. [06:01:58] <sven_> oh, hello :)
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  146. [06:02:34] <rorek> hi!
  147. [06:02:55] <sven_> i'm just trying to get my mismatch of expectations removed i think :)
  148. [06:03:23] <sven_> i was somehow expecting that the openid bounty meant that there were libraries ready for me to 'just-use'
  149. [06:03:56] <sven_> should i expect to be able to get things like fullname and email address from the JR perl module?
  150. [06:04:02] <rorek> yeah
  151. [06:04:07] <sven_> cos i can only find a way to auth the url
  152. [06:04:25] <rorek> you want AddExtensionArg
  153. [06:04:49] <sven_> ah, found it, now to wonder where and when to call it
  154. [06:05:09] <sven_> the perl doc presumes i know openid, rather than just wanting to use it :)
  155. [06:05:21] <rorek> sorry bout that
  156. [06:05:39] <rorek> you want to call it between begin and complete
  157. [06:05:44] <rorek> er
  158. [06:06:09] <rorek> begin and redirect_url or whaevert
  159. [06:06:32] <sven_> ok, so its something you set up before the request
  160. [06:06:54] <sven_> makes sense, but i wasn't quite sure if doing so added another request into the mix
  161. [06:07:42] <rorek> no, it's just adding stuff on to the url that you redirect the user to
  162. [06:08:47] <sven_> um
  163. [06:08:51] <sven_> $auth_req->addExtensionArg($namespace, $key, $value);?
  164. [06:08:57] <sven_> i'm sending it a value?
  165. [06:10:09] <sven_> time to read the code i guess
  166. [06:10:10] <rorek> $auth_req->addExtensionArg($sreg_ns, "required", "fullname,email")
  167. [06:10:37] <rorek> or some such
  168. [06:10:45] <sven_> giggle
  169. [06:19:49] <sven_> oooo
  170. [06:24:04] <sven_> rorek, shall i send you a patch tomorrow? with pod for dummies?
  171. [06:24:25] <rorek> sounds great
  172. [06:30:34] <sven_> well, thank you very much. look slike TWiki will get OpenID Consumer support after all :)
  173. [06:30:45] <rorek> cool!
  174. [06:31:01] <rorek> I'm sorry that it was such an ordeal for you.
  175. [06:31:20] <sven_> it seems to happen to me a bit, i'm not a perl person really either
  176. [06:33:48] <rorek> it can be tricky
  177. [06:34:27] <rorek> to get these perl modules working.
  178. [06:34:57] <sven_> yeah, its one of the biggest support issues twiki has
  179. [06:35:22] <rorek> what, that it's written in perl? ;)
  180. [06:35:29] <sven_> grin
  181. [06:36:23] <rorek> woohoo, jyte.com is finally back to normal
  182. [06:38:20] <sven_> ooo, i am lovin your docco for the Stores :}
  183. [06:38:40] <rorek> docco = ?
  184. [06:38:52] <sven_> # vi:ts=4:sw=4
  185. [06:38:57] <sven_> might cover it
  186. [06:39:12] <rorek> hehe
  187. [06:39:43] <sven_> think i'll use dumb mode, and store stuff myself
  188. [06:39:55] <rorek> how come?
  189. [06:40:15] <sven_> gos twiki's already got its own sessions
  190. [06:40:17] <sven_> cos
  191. [06:40:25] <sven_> seems a waste to have, yet another
  192. [06:40:43] <rorek> if you have the ability to store state, it's one less request on average
  193. [06:42:28] <sven_> mmm
  194. [06:44:03] <sven_> i'm not really eager to add another state to twiki, so you might be getting me to create Net::OpenID::JanRain::Stores::CGI::Session ?
  195. [06:44:38] <keturn> well, the thing is, you want the stores to live longer than individual sessions
  196. [06:44:52] <keturn> because you can reuse an association for more than one request
  197. [06:45:34] <sven_> so, that 'one less request' does what?
  198. [06:46:10] <rorek> asks the server to do the verification against the secret you'd otherwise store
  199. [06:47:11] <sven_> and that request happens before the redirect?
  200. [06:47:26] <sven_> (i'm just adding more stuffs to put into the pod :)
  201. [06:47:48] <rorek> after you get the user back, in complete
  202. [06:48:10] <sven_> oooeee
  203. [06:51:22] <sven_> i'll spell that out, cos it sure stopped me from going down a bad route! thanks again!
  204. [06:52:35] <sven_> eee, gotta go, meeting time
  205. [06:52:41] <sven_> thanks for all the help!
  206. [06:52:41] <rorek> okay, have fun!
  207. [06:52:50] <rorek> :)
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  211. [07:36:30] <jibot> brianellin is an engineer at JanRain
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  219. [08:11:49] <jibot> brianellin is an engineer at JanRain
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  228. [14:29:27] <robertj> wow, exciting times
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  230. [14:44:12] <robertj> what do you guys think of a simple service for farming out busy work to keep openid spamming down?
  231. [14:44:47] <robertj> I was envisioning some kind of system whereby you would get your openid accredited as having some amount of effort invested in it by completing a variety of tasks
  232. [14:45:25] <robertj> (think a really boring version of mario party)
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  238. [15:10:34] <robertj> <crickets /.
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  243. [16:00:54] <keturn> robertj: mario party, or mechanical turk?
  244. [16:02:48] <keturn> see also botbouncer, if you haven't yet
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  246. [16:16:31] <robertj> keturn: aha, did't know botbouncer existed
  247. [16:17:11] <robertj> keturn: you mean like AWS' Turk?
  248. [16:17:40] <keturn> yeah. just what I thought of when you said "farming out busy work"
  249. [16:18:10] <robertj> well the opposite of that, the kind of thing that would employ turkers
  250. [16:19:56] <robertj> but yeah, a more strenuous version of that
  251. [16:22:42] <robertj> keyturn: i've seen your nick around, where be ye drawing your paycheck from?
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  254. [16:25:34] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  262. [17:11:30] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  268. [18:14:29] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  274. [18:23:30] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  280. [19:13:10] <jibot> xlarrydrebes_ is icechat's dirty little nuisance.
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  285. [19:39:04] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  286. [19:59:04] * gregh (i=gregh@dazed.notslacker.com) has joined #openid
  287. [20:21:09] <rorek> ?forget xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  288. [20:21:09] <jibot> I no longer know anything about xlarrydrebes
  289. [20:21:17] <rorek> ?forget xlarrydrebes_ is icechat's dirty little nuisance.
  290. [20:21:17] <jibot> I no longer know anything about xlarrydrebes_
  291. [20:23:09] <rorek> robertj, I remember talking with you about reputation many months ago. Have you seen Jyte, JanRain's new reputation product?
  292. [20:32:45] <robertj> rorek: no I haven't!
  293. [20:34:38] * robertj logs in
  294. [20:35:19] <robertj> thsi website needs to be dediggification
  295. [20:35:56] <rorek> what's dediggification?
  296. [20:36:03] <robertj> make it look less like digg :)
  297. [20:36:51] <rorek> It doesn't look that much like digg in my estimation
  298. [20:37:07] <robertj> it's not so bad after the front page
  299. [20:44:31] <robertj> maybe that's just a sign i've insulated myself from "too much" of web 2.0
  300. [20:45:35] <rorek> hehe, I think I can count on one hand the number of "web 2.0" sites I've actually used
  301. [20:46:05] <robertj> Is it uncool to use a site only because you are a stockholder?
  302. [20:46:30] <robertj> "What this gootube thing they are buying?"
  303. [20:46:39] <rorek> Not if you're having fun or being productive.
  304. [20:47:13] <rorek> although I guess that contradicts the "only" part
  305. [20:47:33] <robertj> The late OpenID buzz makes me warm inside
  306. [20:47:55] <rorek> The openid+cardspace thing is really cool.
  307. [20:48:13] <robertj> rorek: isn't infocard the PC FOSS-inclusive term?
  308. [20:48:21] <robertj> or do I have that backwards
  309. [20:49:09] <robertj> yeah, Cardspace is the Microsoft implementation
  310. [20:49:15] <rorek> sure, but I'm talking about microsoft's choice to support openid with their identity selector (Cardspace)
  311. [20:49:55] <robertj> I finally got a chance to play with Cardspace a few weeks ago, rather mixed in the reception
  312. [20:50:20] <rorek> did you not like it?
  313. [20:50:30] <robertj> rorek: verrrry slow on my lower end hardware
  314. [20:50:50] <rorek> that's too bad.
  315. [20:52:15] <robertj> It was probably a 2 hour deal to do the ie7 and CLR installs on my 1.6ghz laptop with 768 megs of ram
  316. [20:52:41] <robertj> Also the lack of a "backup your infocards" or "sync your infocards" button made me uneasy
  317. [20:53:06] <robertj> But no doubt it's going places
  318. [20:53:12] <rorek> sounds like they have some work to do
  319. [20:53:48] <rorek> but at least from an end-user anti phishing perspective, it's good stuff. I had the chance to see Kim Cameron demo it when he visited JanRain
  320. [20:54:46] <robertj> rorek: it works, but it really didn't need to be an IE7/net exclusive :(
  321. [20:56:01] <rorek> yeah. I guess microsoft is like that. I wonder if it would be possible for a firefox extension to plug into the system. As I understand it it's part of the OS
  322. [20:56:22] <robertj> rorek: yes, one exists already
  323. [20:56:39] <robertj> rorek: but AFAIK even if you install the CLR, you still need IE7
  324. [20:56:46] <robertj> I haven't tested that though, I might sometime soon in vmware
  325. [20:57:00] <rorek> right, well at least then you don't have IE6 any more ;)
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  328. [21:01:58] <robertj> so how much of jyte is custom code?
  329. [21:02:15] <rorek> It's a custom rails app.
  330. [21:05:40] * robertj ponders the NC license on the cred graph
  331. [21:10:45] <rorek> robertj, thoughts?
  332. [21:11:07] <robertj> rorek: on the NC license or just in general?
  333. [21:11:54] <rorek> either or both
  334. [21:13:03] <robertj> I'd rather see it in the public domain as a matter of principle, but don't know if it will really matter
  335. [21:13:26] <robertj> it seems very accessible and familiar though
  336. [21:14:58] * neom (n=neom@zen.mediamonks.net) has joined #openID
  337. [21:15:07] <neom> huzza.
  338. [21:15:38] <neom> Anyone familiar with phpMyID?
  339. [21:17:36] <robertj> rorek: i'll claim-spam my thoughts
  340. [21:17:42] <rorek> robertj, sweet
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  343. [21:36:31] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  346. [21:47:30] <robertj> rorek: if jyte gets dugg, can it keep on ticking?
  347. [21:47:42] <rorek> Bring it!
  348. [21:47:51] <robertj> whats the setup?
  349. [21:48:27] <cygnus> a 386 in my closet.
  350. [21:48:40] <rorek> we've got 2 burly machines, one DB and one renderer.
  351. [21:51:36] <don-o> Quad-Core burly?
  352. [21:53:20] <rorek> I'm not sure exactly what's inside the machines.
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  365. [23:21:12] <rubyruy> hello there
  366. [23:21:21] <rubyruy> i'm looking at implementing openid-ruby
  367. [23:21:33] <rubyruy> i am wondering: what does the OpenIdSetting class actually do?
  368. [23:22:06] <rubyruy> it seems to store ... settings - but i can't figure out why such thing would be needed
  369. [23:24:42] <rubyruy> gah - oh nvm - it was a sample class that got rdocced by mistake
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