IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-13

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  1. [00:00:29] <wcdevel> ahh, I see it, it's part of yadis
  2. [00:02:35] <wcdevel> ok, so this would be the link to the descriptor <meta http-equiv="X-XRDS-Location" content="http://localhost/user/someguy/yadis" >
  3. [00:02:41] <wcdevel> which is an XML document
  4. [00:04:13] <wcdevel> oh man, my head is going to explode :)
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  6. [00:10:39] <GabeW> ok
  7. [00:10:55] <GabeW> thats one way of doing it - there's also (preferred) content-negotiation
  8. [00:11:08] <GabeW> do a get with the right accept header
  9. [00:11:24] <GabeW> in any case, mostly you should not be worrying about these details unless you are writing one of the libraries
  10. [00:14:00] * wcdevel is reading about XRI
  11. [00:14:06] <GabeW> kk
  12. [00:22:41] <wcdevel> alright, so i-names are an implementation of XRI... the point of XRI is to handle different types of URIs, some still reliant on DNS, others on third-party resolvers
  13. [00:23:41] <GabeW> woops
  14. [00:23:42] <GabeW> wcdevel - I'd actually like to respond in depth, but I have to run
  15. [00:23:58] <wcdevel> alright, have a good night
  16. [00:24:10] <wcdevel> I'm sure you'll be around again, and by then, I'll probably know a bit more about it :)
  17. [00:24:17] <wcdevel> thanks for your help
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  20. [00:28:17] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  21. [00:30:33] <wcdevel> LID, openID, Yadis, and i-names have basically all coalesced
  22. [00:31:16] <GabeW> (hopping back for a second)
  23. [00:31:17] <GabeW> YES
  24. [00:31:36] <wcdevel> woohoo! I got something right
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  26. [01:05:34] <dcorbin> wcdevel: would you be willing to send me a transcript when GabeW does reply in detail?
  27. [01:06:18] <wcdevel> yeah sure
  28. [01:08:53] <GabeW> btw, guys
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  30. [01:09:07] <GabeW> logs of this channel are archived here: http://rbach.priv.at/OpenID-IRC/
  31. [01:09:11] <GabeW> (guys or gals)
  32. [01:10:30] <dcorbin> GabeW: when I read the subject the first time, I thought it said "logged in" :)
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  36. [03:11:06] <wcdevel> how far off is openid 2.0?
  37. [03:48:30] <keturn> I don't expect significant changes to the spec after this point, and some of the libs from janrain and sxip are more or less beta-quality right now
  38. [03:49:19] <keturn> but as to when everything is signed and delivered, it's hard to say
  39. [03:57:43] <wcdevel> I would love it if Kim would come on here and chat... I'm really interested to see how CardSpace is going to fit in to all of this... although at this point I don't think anybody really knows :)
  40. [03:59:45] <keturn> I really ought to do a write-up on that, as you're certainly not the only one to ask
  41. [04:00:47] <keturn> I mean, to a large extent "I don't think anybody really knows" is correct, but there are a few things I could write about
  42. [04:01:00] <keturn> perhaps I can find time for that sometime in the coming week
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  47. [05:22:10] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com>
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  49. [05:30:02] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather
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  89. [18:58:08] <ianloic> hey, this may be impolite, but what's the status of a drupal 5 openid consumer
  90. [18:58:34] <ianloic> the janrain stuff seems to be 4.x based and the bryght code hasn't been touched in 5 months
  91. [18:58:45] <ianloic> google is giving me no better suggestions
  92. [18:58:57] <ianloic> nor is searching drupal.org or browing openidenabled.org
  93. [18:59:29] <cygnus> ianloic: you need to talk to the folks at Bryght directly; they do have some Drupal 5 work done, but we don't know the status of it.
  94. [18:59:44] <ianloic> ok - I'll go chat with them
  95. [18:59:46] <ianloic> oh!
  96. [18:59:54] <ianloic> and do you know the status of livejournal openid support
  97. [19:00:11] <cygnus> ... livejournal supports OpenID?
  98. [19:00:12] <ianloic> I can't successfully delegate my lj identity
  99. [19:00:13] <cygnus> that's the status.
  100. [19:00:18] <ianloic> or whatever it's called
  101. [19:00:55] <cygnus> pastebin your delegation HTML?
  102. [19:03:37] <ianloic> hmm
  103. [19:03:39] <ianloic> nevermind
  104. [19:03:53] <ianloic> it didn't work a couple of days ago, but it seems to today :)
  105. [19:11:09] <cygnus> hmm. :)
  106. [19:11:11] <cygnus> sounds fishy.
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  120. [22:20:39] <maindrag_> does anyone have an i-name in here?
  121. [22:21:11] <nfolson_> yup
  122. [22:21:17] <nfolson_> =nfolson
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  124. [22:23:28] <maindrag_> I've got one at from 2idi.com... and I'm trying to get it to work with openID, but it's giving me some problems... I've got my SEP set correctly (I think) anyone had any luck with that?
  125. [22:24:40] <maindrag_> one obvious issue is that the openID URI and the i-name xri will be different... but I'm working on my own server...
  126. [22:25:50] <nfolson_> Only relevant thing I've done is log in to one or two OpenID-enabled sites w/ my iname. It worked without a hitch, but it sounds like you're cooking up something more complex.
  127. [22:26:08] <maindrag_> yup :)
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  129. [22:26:38] <maindrag_> I had it working this morning from my own consumer/RP, but other RPs like livejournal aren't finding it
  130. [22:26:52] <GabeW> there may be some version issues here
  131. [22:26:58] <GabeW> esp with livejournal
  132. [22:27:08] <GabeW> janrain'ers might know better
  133. [22:27:12] <GabeW> =gmw by the way
  134. [22:27:13] <maindrag_> ah
  135. [22:27:26] <GabeW> or, more appropriately, =GabeW
  136. [22:27:39] <maindrag_> =william.cotton
  137. [22:27:40] <maindrag_> :)
  138. [22:28:09] <maindrag_> aka, wcdevel, aka NeRMe
  139. [22:28:44] <maindrag_> Gabe, I spent a good amount of time reading about i-names, cardspace, etc, and I've finally got a good idea of what all these protocols are trying to do
  140. [22:29:24] <GabeW> cool
  141. [22:29:27] <GabeW> YAY!
  142. [22:29:49] <GabeW> if you'd like to write a summary, the world would be in appreciation
  143. [22:29:57] <maindrag_> I've already started :)
  144. [22:30:26] <maindrag_> now I just need to get myself a blog
  145. [22:30:45] <GabeW> both http://openid.net/wiki/ and http://dev.inames.net could be good places to drop something like this
  146. [22:30:53] <maindrag_> good idea
  147. [22:33:05] <maindrag_> it seems like this is all getting REAL close to working...
  148. [22:34:17] <GabeW> its actually pretty much there
  149. [22:34:32] <GabeW> the trick is closing the spec
  150. [22:34:34] <GabeW> (s)
  151. [22:34:53] <nfolson_> gabew: why did you say that =GabeW was "more appropriate?" is there a preferred syntax for inames?
  152. [22:34:59] <GabeW> oh no
  153. [22:35:04] <GabeW> just that its the same as my IRC nick ;-)
  154. [22:35:10] <nfolson_> ah
  155. [22:35:12] <cygnus> heh
  156. [22:36:51] <_keturn> livejournal.com doesn't have any support for i-names
  157. [22:37:36] <maindrag_> _keturn: yeah, but I was trying to get my RDC/SEP to spit back an openID service
  158. [22:38:14] <maindrag_> I had it working with a ruby webrick openID consumer I was running myself this morning
  159. [22:38:58] <maindrag_> only my IP server was crashing during the decision stage... but I got that fixed
  160. [22:39:44] <_keturn> some of the ruby code that's running around out there has support for considerably more things than existed in the openid 1.1 environment that LJ has. (LJ's code isn't exactly state-of-the-art these days.)
  161. [22:39:55] <maindrag_> I'm guessing that in openID 2.0 the xri SEP openID thing will work
  162. [22:40:09] <_keturn> hmm?
  163. [22:40:19] <maindrag_> yeah, I noticed the ruby code had a bunch of openID 2.0 stuff in it, like nonce support, etc
  164. [22:40:39] <maindrag_> _keturn: I don't even know what words I'm try to use :)
  165. [22:40:58] <maindrag_> if you've got an 2idi i-name... https://2idi.com/services/sep_edit
  166. [22:42:04] <maindrag_> although I *might* have messed up my XRD declaration and I'll have to wait until I get home to check again
  167. [22:42:09] <_keturn> hey, I had no idea that button was there
  168. [22:42:10] <_keturn> neat.
  169. [22:42:42] <maindrag_> I saved the original openID XRD at home
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  171. [22:43:01] <maindrag_> ooh ooh, do me a favor, can you pastie your openID XRD?
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  174. [22:46:23] <maindrag_> so, ideally, you should be able to set your openID referrals in your i-brokers SEP settings
  175. [22:46:43] <maindrag_> and for now just use xri.net/=your.name
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  177. [22:47:09] <maindrag_> although it shouldn't be too tough for RPs to just add xri.net/ in front of an i-name
  178. [22:47:33] <maindrag_> until full xri:// support is around (if ever ;)
  179. [22:47:49] <_keturn> maindrag_: http://rafb.net/p/DFYyKH26.html
  180. [22:48:04] <maindrag_> cool, thanks :)
  181. [22:49:20] <maindrag_> ok, so back to my ideal situation... you put in your =i.name, it resolves to your broker, which serves up an SEP to your openID provider, then you are redirected to your IP, where you use either a Higgins or CardSpace info card
  182. [22:49:50] <maindrag_> which verifies you and sends you back to the RP you were logging in to
  183. [22:50:23] <maindrag_> the info cards solve the man-in-the-middle issues...
  184. [22:50:34] <_keturn> right
  185. [22:50:53] <maindrag_> of course, your IP could also issue info cards, and the RP could accept info cards directly
  186. [22:51:11] <maindrag_> and your i-broker could double as an openID identity provider
  187. [22:51:21] <_keturn> although "resolves" and "serves a SEP" aren't really seperate steps
  188. [22:51:37] <maindrag_> ah, ok
  189. [22:51:59] <maindrag_> I think I might need to install openXRI and watch the traffic first hand :)
  190. [22:52:17] <_keturn> and yes, all i-brokers are committed to providing OpenID service, it's part of the core set of services you need to provide in order to be called an i-broker
  191. [22:52:45] <maindrag_> I figured that... but it is cool that you could use another openID IP as well
  192. [22:53:12] <_keturn> yah
  193. [22:54:05] <maindrag_> now, the next thing I need to do is figure out the CardSpace and Higgins implementations
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  195. [22:59:24] <maindrag_> ugh... C#
  196. [23:00:10] <maindrag_> it's like they want me to go out and buy a copy of Vista and Visual Studio, isn't it?
  197. [23:00:36] <cygnus> I'm sure they want you to buy something.
  198. [23:00:49] <_keturn> don't forget the MSDN subscription
  199. [23:01:00] <maindrag_> I'll buy a hotdog and figure out the spec on my own :)
  200. [23:01:15] <_keturn> (what C# are you looking at?)
  201. [23:01:18] <cygnus> I've heard that MSDN is a *total* waste.
  202. [23:01:38] <maindrag_> Accepting information cards in your website (in C#)
  203. [23:02:14] <chowells79> Why not use the PHP code Kim posted as a starting point, instead?
  204. [23:02:41] <maindrag_> ooh, where is that?
  205. [23:03:05] <chowells79> somewhere on his site... identityblog.com
  206. [23:03:26] * maindrag_ remember this site called google
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  209. [23:03:45] <chowells79> google is also useful
  210. [23:05:33] <maindrag_> wow, this cardspace thing is very open... I'm really impressed... do people at MS know they've got someone reasonable working on a project like this? :)
  211. [23:06:33] <maindrag_> btw, can you tell I've been reading slashdot for way too many years, hehe
  212. [23:07:01] <maindrag_> 1. openID
  213. [23:07:04] <maindrag_> 2. ...
  214. [23:07:09] <maindrag_> 3. Profit!
  215. [23:08:20] <ianloic> I've heard very positive things about cardspace from people who've been in the identity space for many years
  216. [23:08:40] <ianloic> it's classic microsoft - their 3rd or 4th attempt is actually good :)
  217. [23:09:07] <maindrag_> this seems like a very good approach
  218. [23:10:51] <maindrag_> now, all we need is in all-in-one Higgins/CardSpace/OpenID/XRI/I-name/OpenID/Yadis library for a bunch of different languages for both IPs and RPs... IE, Safair, FireFox, and Opera plugins as well, and we're good to go ;)
  219. [23:14:04] <_keturn> I think we openid/xri/i-name/openid/yadis libraries for at least five languages... (OpenID in there twice?) and probably a few more if you count the ones that don't have both IP and RP, or that don't yet have the XRI hooks
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  221. [23:16:16] <maindrag_> I have noticed that it
  222. [23:16:22] <maindrag_> is very close
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  226. [23:31:33] <maindrag_> crap, I accidentally deleted my +forward SEP... _keturn, could you help me out again? :)
  227. [23:33:25] <maindrag_> hey Gabe, you around? I think I found a security flaw in xri.net
  228. [23:34:03] <maindrag_> nm, it's because I deleted my +forward
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  231. [23:34:32] <_keturn> I don't seem to have a +forward endpoint defined
  232. [23:34:40] <maindrag_> hmm
  233. [23:34:50] <maindrag_> I deleted one of the three
  234. [23:35:22] <maindrag_> what's your i-name?
  235. [23:35:27] <_keturn> =keturn
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  237. [23:36:37] <maindrag_> yup
  238. [23:36:57] <maindrag_> alright, if you don't have a +forward defined, you can see peoples XRDS...
  239. [23:37:07] <maindrag_> brb, my IRC client is borked
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  242. [23:38:34] <maindrag> alright, http://xri.net/=keturn/(+test)
  243. [23:38:49] <_keturn> well, you can _always_ see peoples' XRDS, it's necessarily public information that needs to be accessible for resolving to work
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  246. [23:39:13] <maindrag> I guess you're right
  247. [23:39:16] <maindrag> haha, nm
  248. [23:42:10] <maindrag> hey, keturn, if you could, can you turn on forwarding in your 2idi settings, and then tell me what the SEP is?
  249. [23:42:35] <maindrag> that's how I ended up with it... and if I try and disable it, it doesn't find the right header, and gives an error
  250. [23:42:45] <maindrag> because I deleted it :)
  251. [23:43:41] * _keturn goes snooping around for other inames with forwarding enabled
  252. [23:44:11] <_keturn> there's one: http://beta.xri.net/=artbrock?_xrd_r=application/xrds+xml;sep=false
  253. [23:44:49] <maindrag> ahh, thank you much :)
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