IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-21

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  5. [00:34:11] <dcorbin> Is there a jyte IRC channel somewhere?
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  12. [01:03:48] <_keturn> dcorbin: http://jyte.com/cl/hangout-for-the-jyte-obsessed-jyte-on-irc.freenode.net
  13. [01:04:56] <dcorbin> It's pretty empty (only 1 person)
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  15. [01:12:32] * Cody`macbook makes it 3
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  18. [01:35:01] <Cody`macbook> http://slexy.org/paste/1485
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  20. [01:35:03] <Cody`macbook> Thoughts?
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  22. [01:40:24] <_keturn> Cody`macbook: I don't really do much PHP, but that looks about right
  23. [01:41:32] <Cody`macbook> :)
  24. [01:41:39] <Cody`macbook> I made it callback based for ease
  25. [01:41:44] <Cody`macbook> but it really cuts the lines of code down
  26. [01:41:50] <Cody`macbook> made the example consumer pretty smaller
  27. [01:41:52] <Cody`macbook> small*
  28. [01:45:03] <Cody`macbook> Now for the fun part
  29. [01:45:13] <Cody`macbook> converting normal user system into an openid system
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  42. [05:23:45] <VxJasonxV> My Treo was telling me as I was trying to sign in, that the login page used an invalid security certificate
  43. [05:23:59] <VxJasonxV> It's sad that I can't get any details from it. Just said server name doesn't match
  44. [05:24:08] <VxJasonxV> I was using www.myopenid.com ... so, I'm not sure what the problem was
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  46. [06:08:48] <keturn> maybe it doesn't like wildcard certs?
  47. [06:11:49] * VxJasonxV shrugs
  48. [06:11:52] <VxJasonxV> very possible
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  50. [06:16:03] <_matt> hello
  51. [06:17:05] <_matt> this openid seems like a really good idea i would love to be able to just login any site but theres one thing that i'm not to sure on and thats with id's
  52. [06:17:35] <_matt> if i register to a site with a username of 'matty' they might not be avaliable on another site
  53. [06:17:45] <_matt> how does openid over come issues like this?
  54. [06:18:04] <gregh> your openid username is actually a url, and you'd use that name everywhere you sign in with openid
  55. [06:18:18] <gregh> so for example if you have a livejournal account, you could be matty.livejournal.com and there's only onen of those
  56. [06:18:57] <_matt> ahh ok :)
  57. [06:18:59] <Skwid_> did you guys see the post about digg (i assume so)
  58. [06:19:19] <_matt> i was thinking about setting it up on a server i have
  59. [06:20:03] <_matt> would it be possiable to use the root of a domain e.g. http://domain.com and not get in the way of anything else that might be in use ?
  60. [06:20:23] <gregh> yep
  61. [06:20:24] <_matt> Skwid_: yea, lol thats why i just started looking at it
  62. [06:20:36] <Skwid_> hehe
  63. [06:20:37] <gregh> if you own matty.com, you could be known as just matty.com
  64. [06:20:44] <_matt> :)
  65. [06:20:46] <GabeW> http://matty.com
  66. [06:20:51] <Skwid_> it's great that openid seems to be 'the chosen one'
  67. [06:21:06] <_matt> matty.com is taken :(
  68. [06:21:22] <gregh> yeah, with the http:// but that's sort of implied
  69. [06:21:32] <Skwid_> i havent touched openid in a while, but is the proper method still: <link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://skwid.myopenid.com" />
  70. [06:21:43] <GabeW> gregh: the point being, its not a domain name thats the identifier
  71. [06:21:47] <_matt> Skwid_: i think its the idea tbh, its a really good idea, single sign on :)
  72. [06:22:07] <_matt> but ... i'm worried people will start tring to use the same idea with multiple services
  73. [06:22:14] <_matt> like ... SingleID
  74. [06:22:30] <Skwid_> so that i can switch provider behind the curtains ?
  75. [06:23:34] <_matt> i see it on blog post sites and some news sites, you have a little digg icon and a row of icons that all do basically the same thing... theres loads of them
  76. [06:24:26] <_matt> what would you recommend as the server software?
  77. [06:25:01] <Skwid_> is use myopenid.com
  78. [06:25:09] <Skwid_> but i havent looked around in about a year :)
  79. [06:25:51] <_matt> Skwid_: i ment server software ? not service provider
  80. [06:26:01] <Skwid_> ah, sorry
  81. [06:26:08] <_matt> :)
  82. [06:26:19] <trel1023> you can delegate too - so you don't have to run any software
  83. [06:27:00] <_matt> :) ok
  84. [06:29:01] <Skwid_> does anyone know if we'll be able to switch our current account over to openid, or if we'll have to create a new one ?
  85. [06:29:06] <Skwid_> (on digg, that is)
  86. [06:31:02] <jirwin> I would imagine that you could add an openid
  87. [06:31:09] <jirwin> I don't know for sure
  88. [06:31:28] <Skwid_> that would make more sense
  89. [06:31:31] <jirwin> yup
  90. [06:31:45] <jirwin> it is very easy to implement. Or atleast it was when I did it for drupal
  91. [06:31:48] <Skwid_> so far though, nothing that I use each day, except for my own apps, uses openid ...
  92. [06:31:54] <jirwin> I would imagine they have the same thing going on
  93. [06:32:19] <jirwin> i think that is going to start to change soon though :)
  94. [06:32:41] <Skwid_> yep
  95. [06:32:53] <Skwid_> i was wondering also, is the yadis stuff still relevant ?
  96. [06:33:31] <trel1023> yadis is baked in
  97. [06:33:35] <trel1023> it's the discovery protocol
  98. [06:34:27] <trel1023> well, more formally, it's xrds now - but they're all comingling as the discovery process under openid
  99. [06:35:03] <Skwid_> ok
  100. [06:35:27] <Skwid_> and, stupid question, but is there a way to tie in a gravatar to my openid ?
  101. [06:36:10] <Skwid_> it's the same type of solution for the same type of problem, so it would make sense to have a way of tying both together
  102. [06:37:03] <trel1023> http://commented.org/blog/NaN/NaN/NaN/personal-avatars-and-openid.html
  103. [06:38:01] <trel1023> not a stupid question
  104. [06:38:23] <trel1023> the idea behind the pavatar is that it's not tied to a specific vendor - like gravatar
  105. [06:38:42] <Skwid_> (wow, gravatar 2.0 just launched, and the site is already down)
  106. [06:39:20] <trel1023> (exactly)
  107. [06:39:34] <Skwid_> wow that's cool
  108. [06:39:42] <Skwid_> the thing is ... everyone uses gravatar :S
  109. [06:40:09] <trel1023> well, i bet on distributed
  110. [06:40:19] <trel1023> over the long haul
  111. [06:41:54] <Skwid_> true
  112. [06:44:48] <VxJasonxV> trel1023, sounds like favatars all over again
  113. [06:45:10] <trel1023> it'll settle out - whatever atar they end up with
  114. [06:45:13] <VxJasonxV> over a different 'exchange' method of course
  115. [06:45:27] <trel1023> it's obviously a compelling use case - so it just takes time
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  117. [06:48:43] <Skwid_> so what's the != between f|p avatar ?
  118. [06:52:08] <VxJasonxV> favatar = favicon avatar
  119. [06:52:19] <VxJasonxV> pavatar = openid attribute exchange data between RP and IS
  120. [06:52:39] <VxJasonxV> favatars are implemented by seeking out the favicon.ico and caching for xyz amount of time
  121. [06:54:09] <Skwid_> ah ok
  122. [06:56:35] * Skwid_ is now trying to figure out the purpose of claimID
  123. [06:57:06] <Skwid_> i just registered with my openid, and now it's telling me that i can use my claimID url as an openID ... :|
  124. [06:58:14] <VxJasonxV> claimid is an identity server
  125. [06:59:35] <VxJasonxV> I don't completely understand it either, but it looks similar to videntity
  126. [06:59:38] <VxJasonxV> in that, it's just a profile site
  127. [06:59:49] <VxJasonxV> why it gives you a claimid when you have a prior openid is beyond me, however
  128. [07:00:30] <Skwid_> why can you sign in with an openid, to create an openid ???
  129. [07:00:51] <jondevtroop> hi guys, how's it going
  130. [07:01:21] <trel1023> we have to do name disambiguation, that's all
  131. [07:01:25] <trel1023> (claimID)
  132. [07:01:50] <VxJasonxV> trel1023, explain further?
  133. [07:02:08] <trel1023> well, since we're providing openIDs, we can't have collisions in our namespace
  134. [07:02:15] <trel1023> same as aol, google, yahoo, whomever
  135. [07:02:32] <VxJasonxV> why are you providing OpenIDs to people who already have one
  136. [07:02:45] <trel1023> many don't already have one
  137. [07:02:49] <VxJasonxV> and those that do?
  138. [07:02:52] <VxJasonxV> that log in via openid?
  139. [07:03:04] <Skwid_> yeah, like i just did :)
  140. [07:03:09] <VxJasonxV> this isn't about people who sign up at claimid FOR an openid, this is for people who already have one and are checking out your site and see an openid login
  141. [07:03:24] <trel1023> yes, i understand
  142. [07:03:32] <VxJasonxV> please help me to understand your side :)
  143. [07:03:51] <trel1023> mostly the answer is that we're serving as a provider with added benefits (the claims of other sites)
  144. [07:04:22] <VxJasonxV> well, all you're doing is sucking up usernames for potential users by giving openid users yet another id
  145. [07:04:26] <VxJasonxV> take for example; http://videntity.org/profile/vxjasonxv.com
  146. [07:04:34] <VxJasonxV> I signed in, and *bammo*, I had profile info.
  147. [07:04:42] <trel1023> yes - like jyte too
  148. [07:04:53] <VxJasonxV> probably, I vaguely remember their link structure :P
  149. [07:04:56] <VxJasonxV> URI* structure
  150. [07:05:18] <VxJasonxV> if an openid user signs into your site, they recieve an openid, and can delegate out to you, yes?
  151. [07:05:27] <trel1023> we may do that too - requires the ability to 'merge' and collapse as well, and that's not trivial with an existing userbase
  152. [07:05:43] <VxJasonxV> I wouldn't imagine it is. Just seems odd that you did it this way in the first place.
  153. [07:05:50] <VxJasonxV> But I understand that it does do what I thought it did :)
  154. [07:05:53] <VxJasonxV> Skwid_, you still with us? :D
  155. [07:05:57] <Skwid_> yeah
  156. [07:06:00] <VxJasonxV> heh
  157. [07:06:02] <trel1023> well, we were one of the first
  158. [07:06:10] <trel1023> there was only myopenid.com when we started
  159. [07:06:17] <trel1023> pip came out soonafter
  160. [07:07:02] <VxJasonxV> livejournal was first :P
  161. [07:07:08] <trel1023> fair enough
  162. [07:07:11] <VxJasonxV> :)
  163. [07:07:42] <_matt> is there an easy way to test your setup ?
  164. [07:07:49] <_matt> or account?
  165. [07:07:50] <VxJasonxV> yes
  166. [07:07:52] <VxJasonxV> log in somewhere :)
  167. [07:07:54] <_matt> lol
  168. [07:08:01] <_matt> ok gd point
  169. [07:08:44] <VxJasonxV> there are compatibility tests on uhhh
  170. [07:09:05] <VxJasonxV> somewhere either on openid.net / danga.com , and I think the JanRain'ers have something at getopenid.com or somesuch
  171. [07:09:17] <Skwid_> openidenabled ? :)
  172. [07:09:20] <VxJasonxV> right, that
  173. [07:09:30] <VxJasonxV> I was about to say iwantmyopenid.com , but I knew that wasn't right
  174. [07:09:31] <trel1023> bedtime here
  175. [07:09:34] <VxJasonxV> night
  176. [07:09:42] <VxJasonxV> it was bedtime for me like, an hour ago XD
  177. [07:09:44] <VxJasonxV> alas
  178. [07:09:49] <Skwid_> haha
  179. [07:09:58] <VxJasonxV> ah the life of a geek.
  180. [07:10:05] <VxJasonxV> Not only that, but an on call administrator
  181. [07:10:06] <VxJasonxV> woo woo :P
  182. [07:10:11] * Skwid_ is pondering whether or not to delegate his openid from a domain name with his real name in it
  183. [07:10:21] <VxJasonxV> I do
  184. [07:10:28] <VxJasonxV> myopenid has SEXY features, and keeps very up to date
  185. [07:10:31] <trel1023> just don't leave dumb comments :)
  186. [07:10:41] <VxJasonxV> that, and I don't have to bother with anything except domain name availability and a static web page
  187. [07:11:20] <Skwid_> trel1023: well, if i use some of my other domains, there's always some way to trace back, but it's less obvious :)
  188. [07:11:35] <VxJasonxV> wasn't the point... consolidation?
  189. [07:11:35] <VxJasonxV> xD
  190. [07:11:47] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: yeah, im not pondering on the delegation, that's a given, but where from ? :)
  191. [07:11:48] <VxJasonxV> YOU'RE KILLING OUR STEAM HERE SKWID :<
  192. [07:11:53] <VxJasonxV> oh, gotcha
  193. [07:12:10] * Skwid_ is now pavatar enabled
  194. [07:12:23] <Skwid_> my index.html now looks like a identity 2.0 whore
  195. [07:12:26] <VxJasonxV> heh
  196. [07:12:29] <VxJasonxV> link?
  197. [07:12:41] <Skwid_> well it's not actually that bad :p
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  199. [07:13:28] <Skwid_> http://benjamin.crulli.com/
  200. [07:13:52] <VxJasonxV> is crulli your last name?
  201. [07:13:54] <Skwid_> any suggestions on what i could add :p
  202. [07:14:01] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: how'd you guess :)
  203. [07:14:10] <VxJasonxV> why didn't you buy the .name for it? :D
  204. [07:14:13] <VxJasonxV> (I did .o/)
  205. [07:14:21] <VxJasonxV> not yours, that is
  206. [07:14:23] <VxJasonxV> mine :P
  207. [07:14:57] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: well... even if it's more appropriate, .name sounds like some cheap free domain that was obtained through some dark magic spell
  208. [07:15:12] <VxJasonxV> pfft
  209. [07:15:16] <VxJasonxV> that's .info, DUH
  210. [07:15:18] <Skwid_> try to tell your relatives that a domain can end in something else than .com
  211. [07:15:18] <Skwid_> :)
  212. [07:15:29] <Skwid_> then they'll end up on
  213. [07:15:31] <VxJasonxV> I don't care about my relatives finding my .name :P
  214. [07:15:33] <Skwid_> benjamin.crulli.name.com
  215. [07:15:44] <VxJasonxV> that's why you don't give them an address
  216. [07:15:49] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: or non-relatives for that matter :)
  217. [07:15:49] <VxJasonxV> you tell them: "Go here, click that"
  218. [07:15:51] <VxJasonxV> poof!
  219. [07:15:58] <VxJasonxV> yeah, that's true
  220. [07:16:05] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: i guess you're right
  221. [07:16:06] <Skwid_> oh well
  222. [07:16:08] <VxJasonxV> ;)
  223. [07:16:18] <Skwid_> i bet you're just jealous, cause your .com was not available :p
  224. [07:16:48] <Skwid_> _matt: http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/checkup/
  225. [07:18:08] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: so are you using your .name as your openid identifier ?
  226. [07:18:55] <_matt> Skwid_: cheers
  227. [07:19:29] <Skwid_> _matt: sorry for the slowness, it's the time :)
  228. [07:20:00] <_matt> lol, thats ok
  229. [07:20:18] <_matt> i have been up since like 10 yesterday
  230. [07:20:21] <Skwid_> :)
  231. [07:20:31] <Skwid_> man, im really hesitating here
  232. [07:20:34] <_matt> gonna sleep in a little while
  233. [07:20:44] <Skwid_> 1. should i use firstname.lastname.com as an identifier
  234. [07:20:53] <Skwid_> 2. should i put my CV at that identifier :)
  235. [07:20:56] <Skwid_> then im wide open :p
  236. [07:20:58] <VxJasonxV> cv?
  237. [07:21:11] <Skwid_> resume
  238. [07:21:12] <VxJasonxV> don't throw your name out in the open
  239. [07:21:16] <VxJasonxV> test the waters, see how it goes
  240. [07:21:22] <VxJasonxV> start with an alias or so
  241. [07:21:42] <Skwid_> yeah you're right
  242. [07:21:44] <_matt> i think i will just put my name and email
  243. [07:21:49] <_matt> i dont mind people knowing that
  244. [07:21:57] <Skwid_> yeah, i dont really care about my name
  245. [07:22:09] <Skwid_> http://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+crulli&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
  246. [07:22:21] <Skwid_> it's not like it's anything confidential anymore :/
  247. [07:23:29] <VxJasonxV> heh
  248. [07:24:10] <Skwid_> i think i'll stick with my other domain though
  249. [07:25:32] <_matt> humm i'm getting a little confused about this
  250. [07:25:39] <_matt> i was looking at MyID
  251. [07:26:03] <_matt> php script and its get a htaccess file that dosn't seem to relate to the script in any way at all
  252. [07:26:24] <VxJasonxV> Never heard of it\
  253. [07:26:30] <Skwid_> do you guys think someday google, yahoo et al will implement some open identity ?
  254. [07:26:42] <_matt> do i put it as a index.php in its own dir and on the root page put a link ref in the top
  255. [07:28:17] <VxJasonxV> Skwid_, I believe Google is in the closest position to open 'google accounts' into google.com/user
  256. [07:28:46] <Skwid_> what do you mean?
  257. [07:28:53] <Skwid_> to implement their own ?
  258. [07:28:56] <VxJasonxV> yes
  259. [07:29:11] <VxJasonxV> Following on the heels of AOL and Microsoft, I would predict google will announce "all google users have OpenIDs!!"
  260. [07:29:18] <VxJasonxV> In fact, I think that'll happen before May
  261. [07:29:29] <Skwid_> that would be swee-eet
  262. [07:29:33] <gregh> I bet they use a domain other than google.com
  263. [07:29:41] <VxJasonxV> gregh, oh?
  264. [07:29:55] <gregh> that's not based on any knowledge or anything :)
  265. [07:29:59] <VxJasonxV> :P
  266. [07:30:11] <gregh> just that if I were google, I'd want to keep the google.com domain as a corporate identity
  267. [07:30:21] <VxJasonxV> nothing wrong with openid.google.com/suer
  268. [07:30:22] <VxJasonxV> user*
  269. [07:30:25] <gregh> ya
  270. [07:30:32] <Skwid_> suer :D
  271. [07:30:45] <VxJasonxV> :P
  272. [07:31:50] <Skwid_> i'm hoping that one day, i'll be able to get around most of the web with: my open id, and a bugmenot extension
  273. [07:31:51] <Skwid_> :)
  274. [07:32:36] <VxJasonxV> heh
  275. [07:32:55] <Skwid_> so what happens to inames etc ?
  276. [07:34:38] <VxJasonxV> they act as openids (IIRC?) and the whole world is happy
  277. [07:35:07] <Skwid_> oh really
  278. [07:35:25] <Skwid_> so openid has taken over the world since my last identity related surfing :)
  279. [07:36:16] <Skwid_> i was wondering also, if you post comments on blogs with your openid, would there be an easy way to grab all those comments ?
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  281. [07:36:24] <_matt> theres only one bad thing about this
  282. [07:36:32] <VxJasonxV> Skwid_, no, that's not built into OpenID or anything
  283. [07:36:40] <VxJasonxV> that requires some serious infrastructure
  284. [07:36:43] <VxJasonxV> you can't decentralize that
  285. [07:36:44] <VxJasonxV> _matt, ?
  286. [07:36:50] <Skwid_> i know, but i was trying to think of some architecture that would allow for that
  287. [07:37:02] <VxJasonxV> cocomments
  288. [07:37:03] <VxJasonxV> but they suck :P
  289. [07:37:04] <_matt> if bad site ops say you can login using openid, they have the ablity to log you login info
  290. [07:37:11] <VxJasonxV> erm
  291. [07:37:14] <VxJasonxV> _matt,
  292. [07:37:18] <VxJasonxV> they have the ability to see your open id
  293. [07:37:24] <_matt> ok
  294. [07:37:27] <VxJasonxV> and your identity server
  295. [07:37:28] <Skwid_> your login info ?
  296. [07:37:31] <Skwid_> thats just an url :)
  297. [07:37:32] <VxJasonxV> that's it. And EVERYBODY can see that
  298. [07:37:38] <VxJasonxV> also, what Skwid_ said :P
  299. [07:37:40] <_matt> oh ok
  300. [07:37:43] <Skwid_> they know where you live
  301. [07:37:48] <Skwid_> but they dont have the key to the door :)
  302. [07:38:01] <VxJasonxV> now. if you sign up with a bad identity provider, THEN they'll have your login info
  303. [07:38:09] <VxJasonxV> but that's true for anything. forums, websites, etc.
  304. [07:38:13] <_matt> Skwid_: just use a bump key :)
  305. [07:38:20] <VxJasonxV> _matt, put some faith in the protocol
  306. [07:38:25] <Skwid_> _matt: haha
  307. [07:38:43] <VxJasonxV> it wasn't designed lazily, and there are no crippling flaws except maybe punycode
  308. [07:38:45] <Skwid_> is it really hard to set up my own open id server ?
  309. [07:38:48] * Skwid_ feels paranoid
  310. [07:38:48] <VxJasonxV> but that's a domain name problem in general
  311. [07:38:51] <VxJasonxV> :P
  312. [07:38:56] <_matt> VxJasonxV: lol i surpose, its just in my nature to feel more safe the more i know about something
  313. [07:38:57] <VxJasonxV> maybe, I don't know. I don't run my own
  314. [07:38:59] <VxJasonxV> but I'm lazy
  315. [07:39:09] <VxJasonxV> And on that note, I'm also tired. I've enjoyed the chat, but I'm out
  316. [07:39:11] <VxJasonxV> night folks
  317. [07:39:17] <_matt> punycode?
  318. [07:39:32] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: ah, ill follow the leed
  319. [07:39:44] * Skwid_ needs to go to the embassy tomorrow, fun times ahead
  320. [07:39:50] <VxJasonxV> sigh, on last link :P
  321. [07:39:52] <VxJasonxV> one*
  322. [07:40:34] <VxJasonxV> _matt, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode , and the link that says "IDN homograph attacks"
  323. [07:40:41] <VxJasonxV> it should tell you about everything you need to know
  324. [07:40:43] <_matt> ok
  325. [07:40:46] <VxJasonxV> and on that note, I'm out for real :)
  326. [07:40:46] <VxJasonxV> night
  327. [07:40:47] <_matt> :)
  328. [07:40:58] <Skwid_> +
  329. [07:43:02] <Skwid_> VxJasonxV: myopenid has protection for punycode tho
  330. [07:43:07] <Skwid_> for when you wake up :)
  331. [07:43:15] <Skwid_> with their personal image
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  487. [14:43:40] <evanpro> You know what?
  488. [14:43:43] <evanpro> I want my OpenID bounty
  489. [14:47:01] <evanpro> Did the "OpenID compliance testing tool (to be released in August 2006)" ever get released?
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  491. [14:50:36] <evanpro> And did anyone every get one of these bounties?
  492. [14:55:30] <evanpro> Oh, the announcements are for OSCON 2007
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  514. [18:52:44] <_keturn> evanpro: I encourage you to make inquiries to bounty@iwantmyopenid.org
  515. [18:53:01] <evanpro> OK, I'm right on that
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  517. [18:56:28] <shantanoo> anyone awake?
  518. [18:56:30] <shantanoo> :)
  519. [18:56:40] <shantanoo> i was trying phpMyID
  520. [18:56:49] <cygnus> uh-oh.
  521. [18:56:59] <shantanoo> but its not working with LJ
  522. [18:57:08] <shantanoo> getting Missing expected authorization header.
  523. [18:57:31] <cygnus> contact the phpMyID developer. :)
  524. [18:57:39] <shantanoo> hehe
  525. [18:57:49] <shantanoo> no one here using phpMyID
  526. [18:57:59] <cygnus> not that I know of.
  527. [18:57:59] <shantanoo> is there any other similar thing which i can try
  528. [18:58:15] <cygnus> get an OpenID account with an identity provider service.
  529. [18:58:19] <shantanoo> :(
  530. [18:58:34] <cygnus> and use delegation with it so you can use your own URL.
  531. [18:58:41] <shantanoo> :-?
  532. [18:58:54] <evanpro> shantanoo: there are a couple of other Open Source projects that support Open ID
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  534. [18:58:55] <shantanoo> can you explain in little more detail
  535. [18:59:14] <evanpro> There's a list on the OpenID wiki
  536. [18:59:21] <cygnus> shantanoo: https://www.myopenid.com/help#own_domain
  537. [18:59:30] <cygnus> shantanoo: that's some info on how to do "delegation"
  538. [18:59:36] <evanpro> http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Run_your_own_identity_server
  539. [19:00:22] <shantanoo> cygnus: hmm. thanks. that will me my last resort :)
  540. [19:00:27] <evanpro> As cygnus mentions, the easiest solution is using an id service
  541. [19:00:52] <shantanoo> cygnus: iiuc, it can be any openid provider. right?
  542. [19:00:58] <cygnus> shantanoo: yup
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  545. [19:09:12] <shantanoo> trying delegation
  546. [19:10:31] <cygnus> yay.
  547. [19:10:52] <shantanoo> \:d/
  548. [19:12:07] <shantanoo> thanks
  549. [19:12:11] <shantanoo> ot
  550. [19:12:26] <shantanoo> which server is most popular
  551. [19:13:24] <cygnus> you're probably asking the wrong crowd. :)
  552. [19:17:34] <VxJasonxV> erm, wait a minute
  553. [19:17:40] <VxJasonxV> Skwid ain't around
  554. [19:18:02] <VxJasonxV> sad
  555. [19:21:50] <shantanoo> hehe
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  567. [20:29:06] <robertj> reading this channel's log files reminds you that a large portion of the universe is empty matter
  568. [20:31:42] <jondevtroop> haha
  569. [20:33:23] <robertj> does anyone know any buzz regarding actual...work...on Openid & Infocard integration in Grand Paradiso
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  573. [20:41:40] <VxJasonxV> robertj, behind closed doors...
  574. [20:42:59] <robertj> sad.
  575. [20:43:34] <cygnus> as you might imagine, it takes time for these things to materialize.
  576. [20:43:50] <robertj> oh yes, just the closed doors thing
  577. [20:43:56] <cygnus> well, I think he's jokingt.
  578. [20:43:57] <cygnus> s/t//
  579. [20:43:58] <robertj> my bet is on it slipping
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  581. [20:51:06] <VxJasonxV> I'm halfway serious.
  582. [20:51:13] <VxJasonxV> A lot of the work is in the initial drafting and implementation.
  583. [20:51:19] <VxJasonxV> But after that it'll all be out in the open.
  584. [20:52:23] <jondevtroop> robertj: we will be talking about that topic tonight on the skypecast (shameless plug)
  585. [20:52:30] <robertj> hehe
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  587. [20:53:24] <jondevtroop> www.idcast.org - scott kveton will be on, i'm sure he can answer that very well
  588. [20:54:40] <robertj> I'm so unhip, I've never used skype.
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  590. [20:55:29] <jondevtroop> robertj, it's very nice, provides a very open discussion medium.. we will release the skypecast as a podcast tomorrow sometime
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  596. [21:51:07] <GhostChe> one thing i'm a tad confused about, can inames be used with openid?
  597. [21:54:03] <chowells79> Currently, only on some sites.
  598. [21:54:14] <chowells79> OpenID 2 formalizes support for them.
  599. [21:55:18] <GhostChe> when would openid 2 come out?
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  601. [22:02:59] <VxJasonxV> when it's stable
  602. [22:03:11] <VxJasonxV> stable, agreed upon, no more changes/revisions, etc.
  603. [22:03:35] <evanpro> That's a very confident statement
  604. [22:03:45] <trel1023> sites using the ruby libraries can recognize/support i-names
  605. [22:03:47] <VxJasonxV> I didn't say there wouldn't be any future versions :)
  606. [22:03:49] <trel1023> not sure about the other libs
  607. [22:03:56] <evanpro> My guess is that it will be marked 2.0 at the time that's best for press coverage
  608. [22:04:23] <VxJasonxV> i.e. when cardspace integration rolls out officially? :P
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  610. [22:05:49] <evanpro> Heh
  611. [22:05:59] <evanpro> OK, I'm rolling back my cynical comment
  612. [22:06:18] <evanpro> I thought that the 2.0 documents were essentially the same as when I first looked at them last summer
  613. [22:06:25] <evanpro> And it seems that there's some activity going on
  614. [22:06:47] <evanpro> So I'm wrong
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  617. [22:39:20] <VxJasonxV> :)
  618. [22:39:24] <VxJasonxV> subscribe to the ML!
  619. [22:42:45] <VxJasonxV> ML(s)
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  621. [23:00:17] <Akatemik> Hmm. If I read the specification correctly, you can send only one value per parameter name in a request. So during association, there's no way to say that multiple assoc_types are ok.
  622. [23:00:22] <Akatemik> This seems a bit odd.
  623. [23:01:32] <Akatemik> Also, in an unsuccessful response, the op cannot respond with all the assoc_types it supports, only one of them.
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  627. [23:10:51] <Cody`macbook> Hey guys, I have a question. So I finally got the php class wrapped around my own library and working fine. Do I just need to verify the openid account on the server once and start the session if it's good, or should I try to authenticate per page before starting the session? I assume it's just check one time per session, but I just wanted to check.
  628. [23:13:02] <cygnus> once per session is fine, as with any kind of web authentication.
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  630. [23:14:28] <VxJasonxV> Akatemik, bring it up on the ML :)
  631. [23:15:53] <Cody`macbook> cygnus: yeah, I figured, but wanted to make sure
  632. [23:16:36] <Cody`macbook> Is there any set discussion outlines/plans for tonight's skypecast?
  633. [23:24:07] <_keturn> oh, that's EST. so in about a half an hour.
  634. [23:26:33] <GabeW> EST?!?!?
  635. [23:26:35] <GabeW> oops
  636. [23:26:50] <Cody`macbook> yeah
  637. [23:26:57] <Cody`macbook> 7pm EST is what the site says
  638. [23:27:09] <GabeW> yah, I just assumed pst since evryone is on the west coast
  639. [23:27:16] <GabeW> hehe
  640. [23:28:02] <GhostChe> skypecast? url with info?
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  642. [23:28:15] <GabeW> idcast.org
  643. [23:28:42] <GhostChe> thanks
  644. [23:29:02] <GabeW> i was planning on joining - but probably not this week - but having it durning the day may work better. actually
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  646. [23:34:56] <jondevtroop> it's 7pm EST, starts in around 20 minutes
  647. [23:38:23] <_keturn> so, uh
  648. [23:38:27] <_keturn> how do I join a skypecast?
  649. [23:38:57] <GabeW> secret handshake
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  651. [23:42:03] <jondevtroop> _keturn: you need to go to idcast.org and click on the right side link to the skycast website, the starts in # will change to join skypecast
  652. [23:42:15] <jondevtroop> I will also post the number to the cast here in a few minutes
  653. [23:42:28] <trel1023> http://dev.aol.com/openid-value-of-connnected-identity
  654. [23:43:32] <KevinMarks> whats the 'cast about?
  655. [23:44:41] <jondevtroop> Kevin OpenID in general, you can visit idcast.org for more info
  656. [23:44:48] * KevinMarks set up openid+microformats at http://kevinmarks.com last night
  657. [23:46:15] <KevinMarks> I don't have skype on this mac, so it would eb an install pain first
  658. [23:46:22] <GabeW> i clicked
  659. [23:48:25] <_keturn> I apparently don't have a skype url-handler installed, so it is a bit confused at the moment.
  660. [23:50:13] <jondevtroop> _keturn: are you on a linux machine?
  661. [23:51:01] <_keturn> jondevtroop: yeah
  662. [23:51:39] <jondevtroop> +99001110017370087
  663. [23:53:28] <Cody`macbook> There anyway to view who is in listening mode and who can talk?
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  665. [23:57:37] <GabeW> earpain
  666. [23:57:51] <Cody`macbook> yeah, some people have quite the background noise
  667. [23:58:25] <GabeW> its jolting
  668. [23:58:32] <Cody`macbook> I concur
  669. [23:58:33] <GabeW> since i have the headphones on and the volume cranked up a bit
  670. [23:58:42] <Cody`macbook> yeah, same here
  671. [23:58:51] <Cody`macbook> since i'm on my macbook, everyone will get echo if I don't
  672. [23:58:57] <GabeW> ah
  673. [23:59:11] <Cody`macbook> There anyway to view who is in listening mode and who can talk or the people in the skypecast?
  674. [23:59:21] <GabeW> i'm looking at it right now
  675. [23:59:48] <Cody`macbook> Really? Any idea how to get the window up? Skype just has the little call with ...
  676. [23:59:53] <Cody`macbook> window.*
  677. [23:59:56] <GabeW> donno
  678. [23:59:59] <GabeW> i'm running 3.0

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