IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-22

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  1. [00:00:26] <Cody`macbook> windows or osx?
  2. [00:01:44] <GabeW> windows
  3. [00:01:48] <Cody`macbook> ah
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  5. [00:10:30] <Cody`macbook> there we go. outdated skype
  6. [00:19:21] <GabeW> erg
  7. [00:19:26] <GabeW> skypecast kicked me out
  8. [00:19:28] <GabeW> can't get back in
  9. [00:28:13] <jondevtroop> cody, if you'd like to talk, i can add you, just let me know if you have a question
  10. [00:29:59] <GabeW> heh
  11. [00:30:03] <GabeW> add me add me ;-)
  12. [00:30:14] <GabeW> i have no ieea whats going on - i can call other folks
  13. [00:30:43] <CoolAcid> I can't connect either.
  14. [00:30:50] <CoolAcid> I tested a different ID just now too
  15. [00:30:50] <GabeW> :-)
  16. [00:31:07] <CoolAcid> Windows keeps telling me It's over.. and linux is giving me internal error
  17. [00:31:10] <GabeW> yah
  18. [00:31:12] <GabeW> same here
  19. [00:31:26] <GabeW> i wonder if its not allowing anyone new on
  20. [00:31:36] <CoolAcid> Oh.. too many participants.. max 10
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  22. [00:31:41] <GabeW> hehe
  23. [00:31:42] <GabeW> uh
  24. [00:31:42] <GabeW> ?
  25. [00:31:47] <VxJasonxV> hooray bottlenecks \o/
  26. [00:31:49] <GabeW> there were 25+ a few minutes ago
  27. [00:31:56] <VxJasonxV> blame the cast-op
  28. [00:31:56] <CoolAcid> Windows errored..
  29. [00:32:19] * CoolAcid wonders who he should blame directly..
  30. [00:32:36] <Cody`macbook> jondevtroop: Alright, I'll let you know.
  31. [00:32:40] <Cody`macbook> Just listening for now
  32. [00:32:49] <GabeW> every time I try to call back, it says 15, 14, 13 participants (each time, there are fewer...)
  33. [00:33:19] <GabeW> its borked
  34. [00:33:35] <Cody`macbook> I have to refresh the idcast page to get the window to come up right
  35. [00:33:36] <CoolAcid> *Sniff*
  36. [00:34:45] <GabeW> down to 11 participants now
  37. [00:34:55] <_keturn> yeah, something kicked me off
  38. [00:35:16] <_keturn> and reconnecting gave me internal error #10410
  39. [00:35:19] <GabeW> hehe
  40. [00:35:24] <CoolAcid> _keturn, See above :)_
  41. [00:36:02] <GabeW> oh well, we didn't get to say much, but I guess it was godo
  42. [00:36:06] <GabeW> good
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  44. [00:39:57] <GabeW> looks like we broke skype
  45. [00:40:05] <CoolAcid> :(
  46. [00:40:18] <CoolAcid> Someone on the chat want to point out the issue?
  47. [00:40:20] <CoolAcid> Please?
  48. [00:41:55] <CoolAcid> Looks like it broken again.. 0 people.. or did it end?
  49. [00:42:35] <CoolAcid> s/broken/broke
  50. [00:43:39] <jondevtroop> http://forum.skype.com/lofiversion/index.php/t73278.html
  51. [00:43:45] <jondevtroop> there is the fix
  52. [00:43:48] <jondevtroop> it's a time problem
  53. [00:46:01] <GabeW> something we have to do?
  54. [00:46:13] <CoolAcid> nope.. doesn't look like it :(
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  63. [01:13:19] <dcorbin> I'm having a challenge with my AOL openId. Anybody here using one?
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  65. [01:13:53] <jondevtroop> all of the bugs will be worked out for next week
  66. [01:14:04] <GabeW> its all good
  67. [01:15:31] <Cody`macbook> :)
  68. [01:15:35] <dcorbin> Very annoying, because I can't get logged back into Jyte :)
  69. [01:15:40] <Cody`macbook> Maybe I'll have some insightful comments next week :)
  70. [01:21:09] <jondevtroop> we'll have everything fixed
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  72. [01:26:23] <Cody`macbook> now that I think of it though
  73. [01:26:35] <Cody`macbook> we were talking about getting the userbase to increase
  74. [01:26:51] <Cody`macbook> I think you could gain a lot just by getting some forums to allow/require it for use
  75. [01:27:08] <Cody`macbook> I mean phpbb would be huge and there are already working plugins, but that's not going to do much until it's in the main source tree
  76. [01:27:28] <Cody`macbook> As you guys said, drupal installs are popping up all the time with openid support now
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  79. [01:33:07] <VxJasonxV> phpBB3 has custom auth methods
  80. [01:33:15] <VxJasonxV> it would be trivial to write a OpenID auth method
  81. [01:33:28] <Cody`macbook> ah really? I haven't messed with the code in phpbb3 much
  82. [01:33:31] <VxJasonxV> (by comparison to gutting and rewriting the internals, of course, in the case of phpBB2)
  83. [01:33:34] <Cody`macbook> I know phpbb2 inside and out though
  84. [01:33:37] <Cody`macbook> yeah
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  86. [01:33:45] <VxJasonxV> it shipped (at least at one time) with LDAP, Apache, and ... NT? auth.
  87. [01:33:46] <Cody`macbook> phpbb2's system would/does require a lot
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  89. [01:33:52] <VxJasonxV> something else I don't entirely recall
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  100. [03:08:03] <m3nt0r^de> hello everybody
  101. [03:09:45] <m3nt0r^de> does anyone know if myopenid.net is going to be multilingual in the future?
  102. [03:10:08] <keturn> you mean .com, I assume?
  103. [03:10:13] <m3nt0r^de> com, yes. sorry
  104. [03:10:24] <keturn> yeah, that's the plan
  105. [03:11:17] <m3nt0r^de> ah, thats great. do you need translators? i would offer my help
  106. [03:11:52] <keturn> that might come in useful, thank you. our staff is not exactly multi-lingual right now. :-/
  107. [03:13:30] <m3nt0r^de> i will write you an email then.
  108. [03:13:50] <keturn> sounds good
  109. [03:14:13] <m3nt0r^de> i already have, regarding translation, but that has been answered now.
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  117. [04:13:56] <don-o> http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/20/breaking-news-digg-will-support-open-id/
  118. [04:14:02] <don-o> “Digg will support OpenID” said Kevin Rose of Digg at the Future of Web Apps conference in London.
  119. [04:15:35] <m3nt0r^de> can i grab the personal icon and add it to my sites users profile ?
  120. [04:20:11] <GabeW> _keturn: you guy s are multi-lingual... python & php at least
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  128. [05:37:18] <larz> hi
  129. [05:38:55] <larz> anyone here familiar with the janrain php library? i'm having a problem where it hangs on discovery of an invalid openid or i-name
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  133. [08:51:29] <m3nt0r^de> if i use the library from janrain, can people use other openids or only those who are registered at myopenid.com ?
  134. [09:06:49] <gregh> the janrain libraries will work with any openid provider
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  138. [10:18:27] <m3nt0r^de> hmm.. simple registration (+ whats required/optional) is not standard?
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  140. [10:19:20] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled
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  143. [12:02:44] <jibot> Ciaran_H is from East Grinstead, West Sussex.
  144. [12:03:49] <Ciaran_H> Hi there. And, um, how did jibot know that? My IP can't correspond that closely and I doubt that IRC usernames will always correspond with whatever usernames it's checking on other sites...
  145. [12:04:02] <Ciaran_H> Of course, in this case it did, but that's not the point.
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  153. [14:27:45] <Ciaran_H> Has anyone here got experience with using the Perl port of the JanRain consumer library? When I use CPAN to install it I get errors. :/ I'll put them up in a file, hang on.
  154. [14:29:12] <Ciaran_H> http://matrix.theblob.org/janrain-errors.txt
  155. [14:30:22] <Ciaran_H> One of the t/consumer tests is failing because the server returns an unexpected result (perhaps due to something else), and a t/server test fails for some reason.
  156. [14:30:34] <Ciaran_H> The MySQL error in t/stores is okay, I can deal with that later.
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  165. [15:27:32] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  177. [16:42:15] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  186. [17:28:27] <GhostChe> this is a long shot, but does anyone have experiance with the openid component in cakephp?
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  190. [18:01:07] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled
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  201. [19:22:06] <oremj> hey, is there any forum software that supports openid yet?
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  204. [19:35:10] <Coir> hmm
  205. [19:35:29] <Coir> Ciaran_H: Are you a fan of Ciaran Hinds?
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  207. [19:55:13] <robertj> btw, where are the identity skypecasts archived?
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  209. [19:56:23] <_keturn> it'll probably show up at http://idcast.org/podcasts in a while
  210. [19:58:44] <robertj> thx
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  216. [20:30:55] <shadydentist> Hey. Is anyone alive? I'm reading the openid 1.1 spec but wondering how users, "preserve their Identity as they move between Providers."
  217. [20:31:57] <chowells79> Hey
  218. [20:32:04] <shadydentist> Hi.
  219. [20:32:14] <chowells79> The way that users can do that is by using delegation
  220. [20:32:52] <shadydentist> reading..
  221. [20:33:04] <robertj> shadydentist: also you can have it release pre-stored attributes like age, email, name, etc to sites that support the appropriate extensions
  222. [20:33:08] <chowells79> The basic idea is that you have some site that's *yours*
  223. [20:33:33] <chowells79> And you can have that site delegate openID authentication to any third-party provider...
  224. [20:33:36] <jondevtroop> I'll be adding the podcast here shortly, we had some technical problems that are causing me to do some editing
  225. [20:34:00] <chowells79> And if you don't like what your current provider is doing, it's very easy to change to another provider, while still using your site as your identity.
  226. [20:34:18] <shadydentist> okay, so the end users needs a host, I see.
  227. [20:34:31] <robertj> yeah myopenid.com will hook you up for free though
  228. [20:34:34] <chowells79> If they want to take advantage of that feature, yes they do.
  229. [20:36:29] <shadydentist> I am wondering about making the system more peer to peer, linking identities together.
  230. [20:36:56] <shadydentist> so users don't need a host, but don't have to worry about trusting a single provider forever.
  231. [20:37:19] <chowells79> That seems very difficult, with the current structure. Have any ideas?
  232. [20:37:43] <chowells79> (d'oh. I need to go grab lunch. Still, I'll read over this when I get back.)
  233. [20:37:44] <shadydentist> I've been thinking about it.
  234. [20:41:50] <shadydentist> I think all that may be needed is to have an ability to store other identity URLs in a profile.
  235. [20:43:50] <shadydentist> I blog about this stuff on occasion on shadydentist.com
  236. [20:44:31] <shadydentist> I'm a grad student doing communication philosophy stuff, but I'm a fairly decent programmer/network guy.
  237. [20:45:14] <shadydentist> It seems to me the major problem with OpenID is nobody wants to trust a single identity provider. It hands them too much power.
  238. [20:45:49] <shadydentist> The flip side of that is everyone wants to run the big identity provider. Digg, Wikipedia, Microsoft.
  239. [20:46:13] <shadydentist> what's needed is a way to let everybody run an identity provider, but have them linked together.
  240. [20:46:24] <shadydentist> peer to peer identity.
  241. [20:46:56] <shadydentist> which is how the real world works anyway. I don't have a single identity, I have one in the heads of everyone who knows me.
  242. [20:47:47] <shadydentist> human trust networks are made of trust relationships between identities. it would be wicked if we could get internet identities to preform the same function.
  243. [20:51:15] <jondevtroop> anyone know how to pronounce kveton
  244. [20:51:36] <jondevtroop> vet-on?
  245. [20:54:35] <GabeW> kah-vee-ton
  246. [20:54:45] <GabeW> at least he doesn't laugh at me when I say it that way
  247. [20:58:06] <jondevtroop> haha
  248. [20:58:16] <jondevtroop> i said k-veton
  249. [20:58:26] <jondevtroop> k as in.. the c sound
  250. [20:59:21] <robertj> shadydentist: I'm reasonably happy tursting AOL to provide MyID. They have a _lot_ to lose by doing something criminal.
  251. [20:59:31] <shadydentist> oh, totally.
  252. [20:59:35] <shadydentist> or a university.
  253. [20:59:43] <robertj> shadydentist: I'd rather trust AOL :)
  254. [20:59:52] <shadydentist> depends on what i'm trusting them for.
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  256. [21:00:26] <shadydentist> if your asking the identity provider if I'm a medical doctor, I'll trust the university. Or the AMA.
  257. [21:00:47] <robertj> ooh, I think I'd have to let Google make that call ;)
  258. [21:01:05] <chowells79> The issue, as I see it, is that currently, OpenID is meant to answer only the question of "Does this person control the identifier they're asserting?"
  259. [21:01:18] <shadydentist> and it does that well.
  260. [21:01:40] <chowells79> Doing more than that is the job of additional services
  261. [21:02:22] <robertj> IMO untill there is some trust metric that works in a decentralized and scalable manner that is at least as good is Advogato's then I don't think harping about OpenID's dependence on DNS and brokers is really worth bothering with
  262. [21:02:51] <shadydentist> I'm not harping, I'm all about openid.
  263. [21:03:06] <shadydentist> I'd just like to figure out a way to make it less broadcast-ish.
  264. [21:03:15] <GabeW> actually, its not entirely kah-vee-ton
  265. [21:03:17] <robertj> oh no, not saying you were at all, just in general
  266. [21:03:18] <GabeW> more kv
  267. [21:03:19] <shadydentist> which as you say, it a question of additional services.
  268. [21:04:02] <shadydentist> I'd like to have my university be able to provide credibility to my wikipedia contributions.
  269. [21:04:18] <chowells79> OpenID 2 will support an extension mechanism, for embedding more services into an OpenID request...
  270. [21:04:30] <shadydentist> A block of XML would probably do it.
  271. [21:05:16] <chowells79> But at the moment, the majority of those kinds of extensions are waiting on the finalization of the spec
  272. [21:05:21] <shadydentist> I have to admit, I think the response format block is a little short sighted.
  273. [21:05:38] <shadydentist> nickname, email, etc. Too constrictive.
  274. [21:05:48] <chowells79> Oh, you mean sreg?
  275. [21:05:58] <chowells79> It was intended to be only a stopgap measure
  276. [21:06:07] <shadydentist> yeah, I figured.
  277. [21:06:26] <shadydentist> Providing a block of XML would let anybody do anything. (i think?)
  278. [21:08:06] <chowells79> Likely, though it might be seen as too flexible by some.
  279. [21:08:18] <shadydentist> The provider could toss a list of other identity urls that the user has authenticated. wikipedia provider authenticates off university provider, etc.
  280. [21:08:51] <shadydentist> there's no such thing as too flexable. :) But I'm in the philosophy racket.
  281. [21:09:38] <chowells79> In theory, I might agree. In practice... Look at how much work SAML or LDAP are to initially set up.
  282. [21:09:52] <shadydentist> yeah, no kidding. :)
  283. [21:10:05] <shadydentist> SAML is a nightmare.
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  285. [21:10:25] <shadydentist> I think those systems are doomed by trying to categorize everythign in advance.
  286. [21:10:43] <shadydentist> libraries have enough problem doing that, doing it with identity is going to be hell.
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  288. [21:13:51] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled
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