IRC Log for #openid on 2007-02-27
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- [00:05:00] <Simon->
evanpro: "PHP OpenID Server by JanRain"
- [00:05:10] <evanpro>
The abandonware one?
- [00:05:14] <Simon->
haha
- [00:05:22] <evanpro>
Oh, sorry, am I not supposed to say that?
- [00:05:24] <Simon->
I think it's still available for download
- [00:05:28] <evanpro>
Yeah, that's true
- [00:05:38] <Simon->
certainly the backend PEAR stuff is still unchanged
- [00:06:06] <evanpro>
Oh, it works fine, if you kick it a bit
- [00:06:14] <Simon->
I modified it for postgres (s/MY/PG/) and to generate random email addresses based on the remote site's url
- [00:06:25] <evanpro>
Simon-: really?
- [00:06:28] <Simon->
yes
- [00:06:33] <evanpro>
Have you seen the xmpp guys from South Africa?
- [00:06:40] <evanpro>
Seems like everybody's hacking on that server
- [00:06:50] <evanpro>
It might be a good idea to fork it at some point
- [00:07:02] <Simon->
that would be the one that can't even use SRV records for XMPP?
- [00:07:14] <evanpro>
Oh, c'mon
- [00:07:22] <evanpro>
XMPP is a hydra-headed beast
- [00:07:32] <evanpro>
There's no piece of software that supports all of its many tentacles
- [00:07:45] <Simon->
jabber has had SRV records for a long time
- [00:07:55] <evanpro>
OK, fair enough
- [00:08:01] <Simon->
and it's a major problem overloading email and jabber ids like that
- [00:08:20] <evanpro>
True
- [00:08:39] <evanpro>
Anyways, my point being
- [00:08:44] <Simon->
my not having any A/AAAA/MX records I don't have a problem making my jabber id available
- [00:08:48] <Simon->
by*
- [00:09:00] <Simon->
I will have a look at it anyway, I'd rather not make my own
- [00:09:01] <evanpro>
That there may be some value in fixing up the PHP OpenID server and collecting some of the extensions people have built
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- [00:09:19] <Simon->
it seems like something that would be really useful is server side logging for when things go wrong
- [00:09:29] <evanpro>
For JabbX0r?
- [00:09:35] <evanpro>
Or for the OpenID thing?
- [00:09:50] <Simon->
no, I only noticied my server was complaining about the lack of bcmath/gmp when I tested it with openidenabled
- [00:09:59] <evanpro>
Oh, yeah
- [00:10:02] <evanpro>
Gotta have gmp
- [00:10:11] <Simon->
and php's safe mode is driving me mad
- [00:10:17] * evanpro stifles a laugh
- [00:10:29] <evanpro>
oof
- [00:10:32] <evanpro>
that sucks
- [00:10:42] <Simon->
it can't open /dev/urandom :/
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- [00:10:54] <Simon->
well, I could disable safe mode but I'd rather not
- [00:11:31] <evanpro>
Well
- [00:11:46] <evanpro>
I've yet to have a server burst into flames because I turned off safe mode
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- [00:26:37] <Simon->
<evanpro> That there may be some value in fixing up the PHP OpenID server... <-- I'd rather not keep using this mess with smarty
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- [00:38:36] <Simon->
unfortunately I don't have the time to work on anything :/
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- [02:28:24] <djm62>
quick q for anyone who's awake
- [02:29:30] <djm62>
I have a URL, which is my openID, and an openID provider (AOL) where I already had an account, and these are separate organisations
- [02:30:43] <djm62>
I can change openID provider whenever the mood takes me, because I can change the redirect on my webspace, right?
- [02:31:27] <djm62>
can I change URL while keeping the openID provider the same, and have that as a continuous identity?
- [02:32:17] <djm62>
(apologies if my terminology is off)
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- [03:00:28] <dcorbin_>
I *think* the former is correct, and the latter is not.
- [03:01:48] <dcorbin_>
The URL you type in as your OpenID is in fact your continuous identity.
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- [07:11:22] <Dan_>
Has anyone run into the 'No XML parser was found' error message with PHP 5.2.0?
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- [13:57:27] * niekie wonders why openidtag.com says Wikipedia supports OpenID signons.
- [13:57:32] <niekie>
It does not yet, right?
- [13:59:55] <ocho_ha>
it's been coded up by evanpro
- [14:00:06] <ocho_ha>
but I don't think it's been adopted by Wikipedia
- [14:01:02] <abscond>
yes, the wikimedia open source program supports it, and quite a few sited using it have turned it on, but it hasn't been implemented on the actual wikipedia... yet.
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- [15:01:04] <ocho_ha>
wikitravel wikevent and wikihow are using it that I know of
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- [15:02:25] <EtnaRosso>
morning all
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- [15:06:48] <EtnaRosso>
i need informations about open id
- [15:07:21] <EtnaRosso>
expecially i would like to know if there exists some open source api to authenticate a user
- [15:07:53] <maindrag>
http://www.openidenabled.com/
- [15:08:05] <maindrag>
has a bunch of libraries for different languages
- [15:09:12] <maindrag>
and of course openid.net
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- [17:57:21] <Simon->
it's both not sending a required value and not accepting a valid response :/
- [17:57:32] <Simon->
"Session type mismatch. Expected None, got ''"
- [17:58:12] <Simon->
hah
- [17:58:26] <Simon->
"Associate (DH-SHA1 session)"? it's not requesting DH-SHA1 :p
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epeus is Kevin Marks and kevinmarks and the new bodysnatcher
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- [19:17:57] <VxJasonxV>
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=490
- [19:18:03] <VxJasonxV>
people should go check that out, weigh in, and vote up
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- [19:18:24] <VxJasonxV>
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/ <-- and that's why
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- [19:34:49] <^robertj>
has there been any thought given to improving botbouncer?
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- [19:41:44] <chowells79>
^robertj: In what way?
- [19:43:15] <^robertj>
well you can just select the top entry from the list 20 times and eventually get a hit and be approved
- [19:43:33] <^robertj>
so err...I figure a computer could do 1 or 2 faulty ids a second
- [19:44:23] <chowells79>
It looks like the answer is yes, more will be done.
- [19:47:50] <^robertj>
but err.. what?
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- [19:49:46] <^robertj>
hello self
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- [19:52:09] <VxJasonxV>
heh
- [19:55:26] <^robertj>
VxJasonxV: from what I can see, if that were to succeed, every russian scripter in the world would be hired to solve any challenges there
- [19:57:46] <VxJasonxV>
^robertj, I was laughing at you talking to yourself
- [19:57:52] <VxJasonxV>
no reference to bot bouncer :P
- [19:57:55] <VxJasonxV>
it's a good idea.
- [19:58:29] <VxJasonxV>
and I laughed only because I did such things before occasionally
- [19:58:33] <VxJasonxV>
(then I started using irssi-proxy)
- [19:58:44] <^robertj>
yeah, I may start doing that soon
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- [20:11:27] <_keturn>
irissi-proxy doesn't give you access to scrollback? what's the point?
- [20:12:21] <_keturn>
I guess the point is avoiding both keturn and _keturn
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hmm, for some reason it looks like authenticating against livejournal is no longer working for me. I'm trying with the latest php libs (1.2.1). $consumer->begin($openid_url) is just returning null
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- [20:50:05] <cygnus|laptop>
fo0bar: the problem is likely that 1.2.1 does not parse Livejournal identity pages, as they are so bloated that they exceed regular expression recursion depth on your PHP installation
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lovely, that appears to be it... it seems to work for a user that has less content
- [20:56:34] <chowells79>
You can increase the recursion depth limit for the regular expressions...
- [20:56:44] <chowells79>
It's only a temporary fix, but it might be enough
- [21:00:17] <fo0bar>
chowells79: ok, I took it a slightly different direction, found Services/Yadis/ParanoidHTTPFetcher.php "$body = $this->data;", changed to "$body = substr($this->data, 0, 10240);"
- [21:00:21] <fo0bar>
seems to work
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of course, that assumes the relevant metadata is within the first 10k, but that seems to be a pretty safe assumption
- [21:01:12] <chowells79>
Heh. I suppose that's a solid fix, too. If the <head> segment is more than 10k, there's a problem. :)
- [21:01:42] <cygnus|laptop>
hah.
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SimonW is Simon Willison, at http://simon.incutio.com/
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- [21:22:26] <SimonW>
?forgetme
- [21:22:27] <jibot>
I have expunged SimonW from my mind
- [21:22:53] <SimonW>
?learn SimonW is Simon Willison, at http://simonwillison.net/
- [21:22:54] <jibot>
SimonW is Simon Willison, at http://simonwillison.net/
- [21:23:34] <SimonW>
anyone here who works for JanRain?
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- [21:25:11] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: yep, a handful of us are here.
- [21:26:06] <cygnus|laptop>
cygnus|laptop, chowells79, _keturn, xlarrydrebes, rorek at the moment.
- [21:26:18] <SimonW>
cool - any chance someone with knowledge of the openidenabled.com diagnose-server tool could chat to me in private for a few minutes?
- [21:26:36] <_keturn>
sure
- [21:27:14] <VxJasonxV>
_keturn, you have all the scrollback on the server :P
- [21:27:27] <VxJasonxV>
set up a sensible log viewing web app or something (or just ssh to the server and look)
- [21:28:46] <Simon->
I managed to cause a 500 error on that tool again
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- [21:34:22] <_keturn>
Simon-: oooh, did you feed it unicode?
- [21:36:08] <Simon->
no
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- [21:39:29] <SimonW>
anyone have any ideas about what could cause errors with dumb mode using JanRain PHP?
- [21:39:29] <SimonW>
http://lists.openidenabled.com/pipermail/dev/2007-February/thread.html#309
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simonw: we're kind of out of ideas over here. Is it possible for us to access the server?
- [21:53:46] <_keturn>
simon-: ah, you didn't base 64 encode the sig. the diagnostic ought to be better about handling that.
- [21:53:57] <SimonW>
aha! that sounds promising
- [21:54:19] <SimonW>
shouldn't the library take care of base64 encoding for me?
- [21:54:30] <SimonW>
I'll check which version I've got installed
- [21:54:41] <_keturn>
simonw: that was to the other Simon
- [21:54:45] <SimonW>
oh, rats :/
- [21:54:47] <cygnus|laptop>
Simon- == SimonW?
- [21:54:56] <SimonW>
nope, we're different people
- [21:54:58] <_keturn>
simonw: because yes, the library ought to take care of that for you
- [21:55:03] <cygnus|laptop>
curse you, you kill my tab completion
- [21:55:05] <SimonW>
he has a totally different bug :)
- [21:55:28] <SimonW>
private message me about accessing the server
- [21:56:09] <_keturn>
simonw: oh, are you not nickserv-identified? this is perhaps why private messaging does not seem to work well
- [21:56:16] <SimonW>
aah, could be
- [21:56:21] <cygnus|laptop>
I was wondering.
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- [21:56:53] <SimonW>
I'm identified now
- [21:57:26] <Simon->
_keturn: thanks, I didn't notice that :)
- [21:58:01] <Simon->
is it supposed to be able to request DH-SHA1? it doesn't send a session_type
- [22:03:45] <_keturn>
Simon-: it uses cleartext sessions when operating over HTTPS
- [22:03:51] <Simon->
aah
- [22:04:03] <Simon->
according to the specification it must send a blank value
- [22:04:43] <_keturn>
in openid 1.x? I thought there was a default.
- [22:05:13] <Simon->
shouldn't it say optional too?
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KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled & the keeper of jibot purity
- [22:23:08] <Simon->
_keturn: you're also not sending return_to to check_authentication (it's in signed)
- [22:25:18] <Simon->
it's missing signed too...
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- [22:26:21] <Simon->
and assoc_handle...
- [22:26:39] <Simon->
so it doesn't appear as though it's sending anything
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- [22:33:22] <_keturn>
Simon-: that sounds unlikely. Are you only looking for GET query parameters, not POST?
- [22:33:36] <Simon->
oops!
- [22:41:26] <Simon->
erm
- [22:42:02] <Simon->
if mode is signed, it's required to include it... which it can't do because mode has to be check_authentication
- [22:43:16] <SimonW>
is 1.2.1 the absolute latest version of the PHP library, or is there a more up to date one in CVS/SVN somewhere?
- [22:43:44] <SimonW>
I'm getting some really weird errors out of it now
- [22:44:59] * ocho_ha is away: Gone away for now.
- [22:45:04] <Simon->
everything works now :)
- [22:45:16] <Simon->
is there a v2 tester?
- [22:52:14] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: it is the latest, yes. The trunk library code is OpenID 2.
- [22:52:26] <_keturn>
Simon-: nope, no v2 tester yet
- [22:52:29] <SimonW>
K, thanks
- [22:52:56] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: what weird errors are you getting?
- [22:53:13] <SimonW>
bizzarely they seem to relate to global variables
- [22:53:39] <SimonW>
[27-Feb-2007 22:39:12] PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in .../Auth/OpenID/BigMath.php on line 354
- [22:53:50] <cygnus|laptop>
that would not surprise me if you're including our code in a method or function.
- [22:54:10] <SimonW>
aha!
- [22:54:40] <cygnus|laptop>
two fixes are: move your require/include to file scope, or 'global' each global variable (there are a handfull)
- [22:54:42] <SimonW>
I'm doing exactly that... thought I was being smart and avoiding the overhead of loading the libraries for every request
- [22:55:00] <SimonW>
(you can tell it's a while since I've done any heavy PHP)
- [22:55:03] <Simon->
erm
- [22:55:22] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: that is alright. :)
- [22:55:34] <Simon->
I'm including DiffieHellman.php, HMACSHA1.php and TrustRoot.php when I need them
- [22:55:37] <Simon->
and it works for me
- [22:56:17] <cygnus|laptop>
Simon-: yes, it will work for those; they neither define nor use globals in other files.
- [22:56:28] <KevinMarks>
hi simon
- [22:57:10] <SimonW>
hi KevinMarks
- [22:57:17] <SimonW>
congrats on the new job
- [22:57:50] <KevinMarks>
thanks!
- [22:58:02] <KevinMarks>
congrats on your freedom...
- [22:58:10] <SimonW>
cygnus|laptop / _keturn : fixing those imports seems to have fixed all of my bugs at once!
- [22:58:15] <SimonW>
thanks a ton for all the help
- [22:58:18] <_keturn>
hooray
- [22:58:37] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: while somewhat sad, that's good. :)
- [22:59:14] <SimonW>
KevinMarks: freedom is very pleasant, hasn't made me any less busy though
- [23:01:45] <KevinMarks>
I'd love t have a chat wiht you about microformats and django some time...
- [23:02:06] <cygnus|laptop>
hm, the M-word.
- [23:02:45] <SimonW>
I'm free now - PM?
- [23:02:52] <KevinMarks>
also the openid+microfromats ideas
- [23:03:00] <KevinMarks>
5 mins
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- [23:04:41] <SimonW>
cygnus|laptop / _keturn / anyone involved with openidenabled.com
- [23:05:00] <SimonW>
the documentation for the server diagnosis tool doesn't tell me I need to add "http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/diagnose-server/TestDumbCheckidImmediate/" to my trust roots
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- [23:06:40] <KevinMarks>
sorry, was grabbing a speaker at a talk
- [23:06:42] <cygnus|laptop>
SimonW: I guess it's kinda implicit, since you'll probably do checkid_setup first and choose to trust that trust root, at which point a checkid_immediate call should succeed.
- [23:06:47] <_keturn>
"Prerequisites: I expect an immediate positive response from the server, which typically means your user agent must already be authenticated with your server with the given OpenID, and your server must be configured to always allow this site to know your identity. If the test fails with a "setup needed" message, follow that link, configure the server, and re-run the test."
- [23:07:08] <cygnus|laptop>
or.. that.
- [23:07:39] <KevinMarks>
openid +microformats is something Chris Messina and I were handwaving about with the openid chaps a few weeks back
- [23:07:42] <SimonW>
yup, that makes sense
- [23:08:11] <KevinMarks>
basically that as openid lets you claim a URL as yours, fetching microformats from that URL can give you extended profile info
- [23:08:19] <KevinMarks>
eg http://kevinmarks.com
- [23:08:30] <SimonW>
KevinMarks: that's pretty much the exact example I used in my talk the other day
- [23:08:49] <KevinMarks>
cool, wish I'd been there
- [23:08:52] <SimonW>
plus using XFN to pre-populate your social network on that site
- [23:08:58] <KevinMarks>
yes, exactly
- [23:09:11] <SimonW>
apparently people are already doing that against LiveJournal's FOAF files
- [23:09:30] <KevinMarks>
right, though FOAF is more of a bugger to make
- [23:09:34] <SimonW>
what's the state-of-the-art in Python libraries for parsing microformats these days?
- [23:09:49] <cygnus|laptop>
python.org/pypi?
- [23:10:30] <KevinMarks>
not sure, I have been using BeautifulSoup which is not very state of the art
- [23:10:40] <KevinMarks>
markp made a start in feedparser
- [23:10:57] <KevinMarks>
Should build some tests and iterate
- [23:11:15] <SimonW>
how much of microformats can you parse using CSS selectors?
- [23:11:22] <KevinMarks>
quite a lot
- [23:11:32] <SimonW>
I've been working on an extension to BeautifulSoup that lets you use CSS selectors to select elements
- [23:11:38] <KevinMarks>
using jQuery to do that works well
- [23:11:45] <SimonW>
only started it today but it can handle 'div.classname
- [23:11:55] <KevinMarks>
BeuatifulSoup need patching to treat class and rel as sets
- [23:12:01] <KevinMarks>
rather than exact matches
- [23:12:05] <SimonW>
'div#main p.classOfSomeSort a'
- [23:12:09] <KevinMarks>
thats what bit me
- [23:12:39] <SimonW>
you mean so you can match p.bar against <p class="foo bar baz">
- [23:12:44] <KevinMarks>
yes
- [23:12:48] <SimonW>
I've got that in my selector implementation already
- [23:12:59] <KevinMarks>
so that it does that by default
- [23:13:02] <KevinMarks>
but yes
- [23:13:02] <SimonW>
haven't got matching against "p.foo.bar" yet I don't think
- [23:13:21] <KevinMarks>
the CSS is ~ isn't it?
- [23:13:28] <KevinMarks>
for rel
- [23:13:30] <SimonW>
is there a good standard test suite for microformats yet?
- [23:13:35] <KevinMarks>
for class it's additive
- [23:13:49] <SimonW>
hmm... not sure how that's meant to work
- [23:13:51] <KevinMarks>
there are for some of them - hCard and hCalendar - ryan ahs been compiling them
- [23:14:49] <KevinMarks>
CSS2 selectors for single rev matches here: http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links-faq
- [23:15:04] <SimonW>
got a good example of JQuery code that parses microformats anywhere?
- [23:15:18] <SimonW>
I've ported the JQuery CSS selector test suite to Python, implementing it is a bit daunting though
- [23:15:32] <SimonW>
more than an hour long hack at any rate
- [23:15:56] <KevinMarks>
hm, ask in #microformats, I'm pretty sure ryan has been using it
- [23:16:52] <KevinMarks>
http://leftlogic.com/info/articles/microformats_bookmarklet
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- [23:22:38] <KevinMarks>
SimonW: pm
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- [23:28:14] <_keturn>
SimonW: for the benefit of the archives, can you post a quick follow-up message to the openid dev list saying how you resolved the problem?
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- [23:34:19] <SimonW>
_keturn: shall do
- [23:35:15] <_keturn>
thanks
- [23:55:30] <Simon->
should user_setup_url include return_to somewhere, or should the user have to manually go back and try to login again after visiting the setup page?
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