IRC Log for #openid on 2007-03-01

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  9. [02:41:55] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled & the keeper of jibot purity
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  36. [09:39:46] <jibot> chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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  48. [15:27:40] <jibot> SimonW is Simon Willison, at http://simonwillison.net/
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  56. [17:16:12] <don-o> jibot is really rather out of control.
  57. [17:16:19] <don-o> can someone turn him off or ban him?
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  61. [17:49:02] <VxJasonxV> don-o, what do you mean?
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  64. [17:57:52] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  66. [17:59:28] <gregh> my life has improved since /ignore jibot
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  68. [18:05:29] <jibot> epeus is Kevin Marks and kevinmarks and the new bodysnatcher
  69. [18:06:20] <epeus> forget epeus is kevinmarks
  70. [18:06:28] <epeus> ?forget epeus is kevinmarks
  71. [18:06:28] <jibot> I now only know that epeus is Kevin Marks and the new bodysnatcher
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  76. [18:26:40] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  78. [18:40:21] <VxJasonxV> :(
  79. [18:40:24] <VxJasonxV> Jyte people are mean
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  81. [19:14:19] <Almad> Hello, anyone here I can ask about Python library for OpenID? I think that I found a bug, but I'd like to confirm that...
  82. [19:14:25] <niekie> VxJasonxV, no we aren't :(
  83. [19:14:39] <niekie> YOU are mean :P
  84. [19:15:30] <niekie> Actually, I don't really know you, so I can't say =)
  85. [19:15:56] * niekie is a total Jyte addict =\
  86. [19:16:06] <niekie> Though I vote more then claiming.
  87. [19:16:55] <VxJasonxV> Almad, don't ask to ask. Just ask
  88. [19:17:02] <VxJasonxV> If anyone can provide insight, they will
  89. [19:17:05] <VxJasonxV> but they can't until you ask :P
  90. [19:17:11] * VxJasonxV prods niekie
  91. [19:17:15] <VxJasonxV> I told you you were mean :P
  92. [19:17:17] <Almad> Sorry, don't wanted to disturb ,)
  93. [19:17:27] <Almad> I'm trying to build my own server in cherrypy
  94. [19:17:34] <niekie> =(
  95. [19:17:57] <Almad> and when I'm trying to handle check_authentication with decodeRequest, I got this error
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  97. [19:18:11] <Almad> (ProtocolError, to be specific)
  98. [19:18:13] * VxJasonxV pats niekie's shoulder
  99. [19:18:15] <VxJasonxV> kidding :P
  100. [19:18:22] <niekie> =D
  101. [19:18:23] <Almad> Couldn't find signed field "['return_to" in query {'openid.sig': "['DsfJJmb3G4XF5jWgqr83wFgE7SU=']", 'openid.return_to': "['http://rpgpedia.cz/nastroje/autorizace/validace/?nonce=bQC46JsT']", 'openid.sreg.fullname': "['Almad']", 'openid.mode': 'check_authentication', 'openid.sreg.nickname': "['Almad']", 'openid.signed': "['return_to,mode,identity,sreg.fullname,sreg.nickname,sreg.email']", 'openid.assoc_handle': "['{HMAC-SHA1}{45e722f8}{qSQV7g==}']",
  102. [19:18:23] <Almad> 'openid.identity': "['http://localhost:8090/test/']", 'openid.sreg.email': "['test@test.te']"}
  103. [19:18:43] <Almad> I guess there is problem with this "openid." prefix
  104. [19:19:01] <Almad> But I have no idea how to handle it gracefully
  105. [19:19:47] <Almad> (Using JanRain Python OpenID library, version 1.2.0 combo with Python 2.4 and Cherrypy 2.2)
  106. [19:19:59] <Almad> Any ideas?
  107. [19:28:05] <Almad> (That's why I asked to ask ,))
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  109. [19:28:46] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  110. [19:46:43] <_keturn> Almad: your values look weird
  111. [19:47:15] <_keturn> "['http://rpgpedia.cz/nastroje/autorizace/validace/?nonce=bQC46JsT']" ? it's like something did repr(list(value))
  112. [19:52:42] <VxJasonxV> thanks niekie :P
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  114. [19:54:17] <cygnus> yeah, that message is hard to read. And what about "Couldn't find signed field "['return_to" in query" ? Where's the trailing bracket?
  115. [19:58:17] <VxJasonxV> unescaped ' maybe?
  116. [19:58:39] <VxJasonxV> errr
  117. [19:59:02] <VxJasonxV> ['return_to,mode,identity,sreg.fullname,sreg.nickname,sreg.email'] <-- is it not: 'return_to','mode','...' ?
  118. [19:59:31] <cygnus> well, not yet, at least
  119. [19:59:32] <cygnus> that's the signed list
  120. [20:12:50] <_keturn> the trailing bracket is on the end of sreg.email']
  121. [20:12:59] <_keturn> (that string is being split on the commas, and so the first and last fields names have extra punctuation on 'em)
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  125. [20:25:14] <cygnus> _keturn: ah, I didn't see Almad's second line of paste.
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  127. [20:28:21] <VxJasonxV> :O
  128. [20:28:29] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, you agreed with me?
  129. [20:29:07] <_keturn> mostly
  130. [20:29:33] <VxJasonxV> what part didn't you agree with me on?
  131. [20:30:06] <VxJasonxV> just saw the coment :)
  132. [20:31:15] <niekie> VxJasonxV, anybody could Google for my forum username on one forum and get all my other forum IDs too.
  133. [20:31:25] <niekie> So you're not much better of with or without OpenID on that one.
  134. [20:31:29] <niekie> :P
  135. [20:31:43] <niekie> s/of/off/
  136. [20:31:48] <VxJasonxV> Forum usernames, big deal
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  138. [20:31:52] <VxJasonxV> nicknames are not the issue
  139. [20:32:15] <VxJasonxV> If I started using my aim openid, and set a nickname (nicename) as VxJasonxV, people would never know my aim name unless I told it to them
  140. [20:32:18] <VxJasonxV> and I like that
  141. [20:34:43] <VxJasonxV> http://jyte.com/cl/openid-consuming-sites-should-not-expose-users-openids-by-default
  142. [20:34:47] <VxJasonxV> better :)
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  145. [20:42:24] <VxJasonxV> D=
  146. [20:42:30] * VxJasonxV prods cygnus
  147. [20:44:53] * cygnus wakes up
  148. [20:51:24] <Almad> sorry, I was out
  149. [20:52:13] <Almad> _keturn: well, it is what library raised in ProtocolError exception
  150. [20:53:10] <Almad> I've just printed str(err)
  151. [20:54:44] <VxJasonxV> cygnus, what is your reason for disagreeing
  152. [20:56:14] <cygnus> VxJasonxV: I disagree because I don't think the OpenID identifier itself needs to be private. If it does, use an obscure one. I don't consider giving out the identifier to be a breach of privacy, as it is something I *want* to be recognized by.
  153. [20:56:37] <cygnus> however,
  154. [20:56:50] <cygnus> I do think that RPs *should* let you use a nickname and *should* give you the option.
  155. [20:56:54] <cygnus> I just don't think it should be the default.
  156. [20:57:07] <cygnus> particularly not if we want people to understand that the OpenID replaces the traditional username.
  157. [20:57:54] <niekie> Or.. you could just use a different OpenID for every site.
  158. [20:57:56] * niekie snickers.
  159. [20:58:48] <_keturn> Almad: I think somehow the thing you passed in as the query argument got converted very strangely
  160. [20:59:18] <_keturn> there is actually a check in there that makes sure you _don't_ pass in lists, but it doesn't make sure that you don't pass in str()-of-list()
  161. [20:59:21] <cygnus> niekie: that is basically the idea behind IDP-driven identifier selection, and the assumption is that the IDP will manage that for you.
  162. [20:59:41] <niekie> cygnus, eh?
  163. [20:59:45] <Almad> _keturn: hmm
  164. [20:59:53] <niekie> cygnus, I have no idea what you exactly mean with IDP.
  165. [20:59:58] <Almad> _keturn: well all I'm passing is **kwargs
  166. [20:59:59] <niekie> Anyway, I was being sarcastic ;)
  167. [21:00:04] <cygnus> niekie: IDP = Identity Provider
  168. [21:00:12] <cygnus> niekie: I know. :)
  169. [21:00:15] <Almad> unmodified...and client library sending it works OK with other servers
  170. [21:00:30] <niekie> I also don't know what you actually mean with IDP-driven identifier selection
  171. [21:00:45] <cygnus> niekie: it's a feature of OpenID 2.
  172. [21:00:49] <niekie> You mean like MyOpenID has persona selection?
  173. [21:00:52] <niekie> Or something else?
  174. [21:01:00] <cygnus> .. something like that.
  175. [21:01:16] <cygnus> except that instead of just choosing registration data, you can pick the identifier you want to sign in with.
  176. [21:01:29] <niekie> I see.
  177. [21:01:37] <cygnus> (this feature does not actually exist yet, but it is forthcoming.)
  178. [21:01:43] <Almad> / dummy me...wait a moment
  179. [21:01:56] <niekie> cygnus, OpenID 2 will be backwards compatible with 1, right?
  180. [21:02:08] <cygnus> niekie: the implementations will be compatible.
  181. [21:02:09] <niekie> By RPs, I mean.
  182. [21:02:18] <niekie> cygnus, neat.
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  184. [21:04:13] <Almad> hm, no, it's not the problem...I'm lost now
  185. [21:04:45] <_keturn> thing is, if you have IDP-driven identifier selection for the purpose of having one-off identifiers *and* you make those identifiers highly visible by default, you're going to end up with a lot of ugly lookin' visible identifiers
  186. [21:05:20] <cygnus> that's true
  187. [21:05:27] <_keturn> although maybe the nicknames are gonna be ugly too
  188. [21:05:30] <cygnus> but I'm not assuming that will be the common case, since for me, it won't, at least
  189. [21:06:11] <_keturn> it also varies wildy depending on the nature of the site. Jyte, for example, is _all about_ having a public reputation. But that's not true everywhere you have a username and password.
  190. [21:06:51] <Almad> _keturn: do library expect that it will take dictionary of lists, or I have to convert it manually...?
  191. [21:07:30] <cygnus> _keturn: yeah, and I definitely think RPs should give users the option, where appropriate.
  192. [21:07:49] <_keturn> almad: manually
  193. [21:08:02] <_keturn> (I don't think we included a helper function for that, but it's pretty short)
  194. [21:09:00] <Almad> _keturn: oh. (I'd say that this should be mentioned at least in API doc)
  195. [21:09:44] <_keturn> hmm, I thought it was pretty explicit about "don't pass in lists." I'll check again.
  196. [21:10:12] <Almad> well, there is
  197. [21:10:22] <Almad> The first and last of these tasks may performed by the decodeRequest and encodeResponse methods of the Server object.
  198. [21:10:36] <Almad> Parameters:
  199. [21:10:36] <Almad> query - The query parameters as a dictionary with each key mapping to one value.
  200. [21:10:36] <Almad> (type=dict)
  201. [21:10:53] <Almad> nothing about remapping values from lists to string
  202. [21:14:47] <_keturn> the "one value" part isn't clear enough?
  203. [21:14:51] <VxJasonxV> cygnus, OpenID identifiers replacing traditional usernames is totally overkill
  204. [21:15:08] <VxJasonxV> I don't know if I feel it will never happen or not though
  205. [21:15:16] <VxJasonxV> calling people by a URI instead of a name just...
  206. [21:15:19] <VxJasonxV> well, it's weird :P
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  208. [21:16:30] <Almad> _keturn: you're right..then why it's client library sending it as list? :]
  209. [21:17:04] <_keturn> some python web frameworks pass in the query as a list, others pass it in as single values
  210. [21:17:52] <_keturn> and since the openid protocol only accepts single values, it made as much sense to use that data structure as the other
  211. [21:18:07] * Almad going to introspect better before arguing, but he's preatty sure that he's passing it as string and this "['" part is caused by Consumer library
  212. [21:19:05] <_keturn> you're passing it in as a list converted to a string *with the python syntax for a list in it*
  213. [21:19:29] <_keturn> e.g. str(l) instead of l[0]
  214. [21:20:47] <Almad> yup, and I'm trying to find why it's passed so, as this request is afaik entirely send by consumer library...but as I'm saying, I'm going to look more at it before I'm going to annoy you more ,)
  215. [21:25:54] <Almad> cannot help myself, but this [' '] part is send by oidconsumer.begin(), when sending post request to check_authentication
  216. [21:30:04] <_keturn> hmm? I thought check_authentication could only be invoked after complete(), never from begin()
  217. [21:31:40] <Almad> I raised exception on client after begin() and check_authentication was called, though
  218. [21:32:06] <Almad> I have to go for today, so perhaps I'll see it more clearly tommorrow ,]
  219. [21:32:25] <Almad> Is there a mailing list I can post to?
  220. [21:35:34] <_keturn> dev@lists.openidenabled.com
  221. [21:36:29] <Almad> thanks
  222. [21:40:04] * Almad (n=almad@nerv.include.cz) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
  223. [21:46:58] * KevinMarks (i=KevinMar@nat/google/x-827020c14de55854) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  224. [21:52:39] <evanpro> WHOIS openiddisabled.com
  225. [21:52:54] <cygnus> heh
  226. [21:52:59] <evanpro> No match for "OPENIDDISABLED.COM".
  227. [21:53:14] * niekie runs to GoDaddy.
  228. [21:53:29] <niekie> Just kidding =)
  229. [21:53:36] <evanpro> Great
  230. [21:53:44] <niekie> Although I have a feeling you shouldn't have said that :P
  231. [21:53:47] <evanpro> let's all proceed in a calm, orderly fashion to GoDaddy.
  232. [21:53:58] <cygnus> actually, maybe that site could be used to list RPs and IDPs that don't fully support OpenID, or are just plain broken
  233. [21:54:53] <niekie> wallofopenidshame.com
  234. [21:54:55] <niekie> =D
  235. [21:59:07] <_keturn> cygnus: including, say, Microsoft properties
  236. [21:59:08] * _keturn ducks
  237. [21:59:25] <evanpro> ...?
  238. [21:59:43] * evanpro was unaware of live MS sites that supported OpenID in any fashion, even badly
  239. [21:59:54] <gregh> that's for closedidenabled.com
  240. [21:59:58] <evanpro> Lowercase "l"
  241. [22:00:22] <evanpro> whois ILOSTMYOPENID.ORG
  242. [22:01:12] <evanpro> Really, just hours of fun possible here
  243. [22:02:13] <cygnus> ISTOLEYOURID.BIZ
  244. [22:02:29] <_keturn> speaking of which
  245. [22:02:51] <_keturn> I have a domain renewal coming up, and the whole nodaddy.com story has me thinking about switching registrars
  246. [22:05:48] <gregh> you looking for other registrars that have a good reptutation?
  247. [22:05:49] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, evanpro, http://www.identityblog.com/?p=668
  248. [22:06:03] <cygnus> wheee, bye-bye, firefox
  249. [22:06:33] <VxJasonxV> ?
  250. [22:08:03] <cygnus> (firefox died)
  251. [22:08:16] <VxJasonxV> ah
  252. [22:08:21] <VxJasonxV> Firefox 2 can save your session!
  253. [22:08:30] <cygnus> true
  254. [22:08:39] <cygnus> but I don't want that session back, as it's likely the one that killed firefox
  255. [22:09:55] <evanpro> VxJasonxV: "* evanpro was unaware of _live_ MS sites that..."
  256. [22:10:06] <evanpro> Lowercase "l"
  257. [22:10:35] <evanpro> I could be wrong, of course
  258. [22:10:40] <evanpro> But I haven't seen one yet
  259. [22:11:23] <_keturn> oh, man, if I actually read that thing VxJasonxV pointed out, it only says stuff about support in "future Identity server products"
  260. [22:12:18] <_keturn> which I suppose doesn't claim to cover anything that's not a server product
  261. [22:12:22] <VxJasonxV> oh
  262. [22:12:30] <VxJasonxV> I thought you meant Windows Live, not live as in active
  263. [22:12:31] <VxJasonxV> ha
  264. [22:12:38] <evanpro> Yeah
  265. [22:13:21] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, I have my reservations as most do. But I'm looking forward to new iterations of service sites (Windows ive ID type ones) with OpenID support
  266. [22:13:25] <VxJasonxV> by CardSpace means or otherwise
  267. [22:13:29] <VxJasonxV> maybe a future revision of spaces too
  268. [22:13:39] <VxJasonxV> not that I want MSN Spaces losers to come around my OpenID romping grounds, but oh well.
  269. [22:14:04] <_keturn> did you see, whazzit, the Pamela Project? http://pamelaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=40
  270. [22:14:49] <VxJasonxV> I need to get my feet wet with LDAP
  271. [22:14:53] <VxJasonxV> never heard of it, interesting though
  272. [22:15:20] <VxJasonxV> that's a joke.. right?
  273. [22:15:24] <VxJasonxV> those staff pictures look like crap
  274. [22:17:48] <VxJasonxV> huh, it's not
  275. [22:17:51] <VxJasonxV> crazy :P
  276. [22:18:13] * xlarrydrebes (n=xlarrydr@c-71-193-195-92.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit ()
  277. [22:23:48] <_keturn> huh
  278. [22:23:55] <_keturn> the pic filenames have "-artsy" appended to them
  279. [22:59:57] <evanpro> VxJasonxV: after OpenID becomes popular we'll make up a new s00per-sekrit protocol just for the cool kids
  280. [23:00:14] <evanpro> Actually, I guess that's Shibboleth/Internet2
  281. [23:00:58] * hikar325 (n=hikari_e@host86-146-200-159.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  282. [23:04:52] <VxJasonxV> hahahahaha
  283. [23:05:03] <VxJasonxV> _keturn, artsy? more like fartsy
  284. [23:05:04] <VxJasonxV> HA
  285. [23:25:35] * niekie (n=niekie@cc725705-a.roden1.dr.home.nl) Quit ()
  286. [23:26:24] <quellhorst> wow... activity in here... i was here for a few days and saw nothing
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  288. [23:28:41] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  289. [23:33:16] * cygnus (n=cygnus@www.cprogrammer.org) Quit ("Leaving.")
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  291. [23:38:58] <GabeW> quellhorst: there's action in here quite a bit
  292. [23:39:06] <GabeW> sometimes there are events that draw people away, etc
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