IRC Log for #openid on 2007-03-08

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  1. [00:00:27] <SimonW> nifty :)
  2. [00:01:00] <SimonW> seems like something that could also be supported by <link rel=""> tags though, which would be handy
  3. [00:01:33] <SimonW> XRDS files are harder to work with / explain, since they don't support "view source" very well
  4. [00:02:40] <_keturn> I agree that the fact that I have to tell firefox to open an XML file with the external application /usr/bin/firefox is super dumb, yes
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  6. [00:02:53] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  7. [00:04:08] <_keturn> but defining ordering for <link /> elements or trying to add priority metadata to them seemed like an error-prone approach as well.
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  9. [00:11:01] <tommorris_> SimonW: have you considered using an XML format for storing whitelists?
  10. [00:11:26] <SimonW> tommorris_: sort of
  11. [00:11:31] <SimonW> there's already a proposal for one
  12. [00:11:38] <SimonW> which I'm not averse to using
  13. [00:12:15] <tommorris_> I'm just thinking that it'd be neat if I could mix it in with FOAF, GRDDL and other SemWeb things.
  14. [00:12:32] <SimonW> http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Group_Membership_Protocol
  15. [00:13:29] <SimonW> hmm... I thought that included a format for sharing an entire group as one file but it doesn't seem to do that yet
  16. [00:14:05] <SimonW> it's a starting point though
  17. [00:14:27] <tommorris_> A FOAF extension would be neat. OpenID and FOAF seem like they could be great partners.
  18. [00:14:34] <SimonW> yes, definitely
  19. [00:15:14] <tommorris_> Hopefully, tomorrow, my site will have OpenID logins implemented.
  20. [00:15:18] <SimonW> http://brad.livejournal.com/data/foaf
  21. [00:15:44] <SimonW> that uses <foaf:weblog rdf:resource="http://bradaufdeutsch.livejournal.com/"/> to refer to a friend's OpenID
  22. [00:15:50] <SimonW> but really it's not saying "this is an OpenID"
  23. [00:16:03] <SimonW> you have to derive that from the fact that it's a livejournal.com blog
  24. [00:16:27] <tommorris_> It'd be easy enough to write an extension.
  25. [00:17:04] <_keturn> otoh, what happens if there's a URL in there that's not an OpenID? Does anything break?
  26. [00:17:52] <tommorris_> We could just have a new property called openid.
  27. [00:17:56] <SimonW> doxory.com supposedly imports your friends from your FOAF file
  28. [00:18:23] <SimonW> can you extend FOAF with namespaced elementsL
  29. [00:18:25] <SimonW> ?
  30. [00:18:37] <SimonW> <foafopenid:openid="blah" />
  31. [00:18:42] <tommorris_> Yup
  32. [00:18:48] <SimonW> oops, bad XML
  33. [00:19:07] <tommorris_> Give me a second and I'll put up an ontology extension.
  34. [00:20:47] <tommorris_> There's already foaf:holdsAccount
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  37. [00:24:25] <tommorris_> http://rdf.opiumfield.com/openid/index.rdf
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  39. [00:25:11] <SimonW> cor, is that all there is to it?
  40. [00:25:21] <SimonW> Gotta learn RDF properly some day...
  41. [00:25:44] <tommorris_> Yup, that's just an OWL file that says "this is a sub-property of foaf:holdsAccount"
  42. [00:26:09] <tommorris_> It'd be more complex if there were restrictions - but you can have as many or as few OpenIDs as you like
  43. [00:28:09] <tommorris_> Oh, no, wait - I've got a better idea.
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  45. [00:34:36] <tommorris_> There we go - I've updated http://rdf.opiumfield.com/openid/index.rdf
  46. [00:34:55] <tommorris_> Now what it does is it extends foaf:OnlineAccount, and the defines "server" and "delegate" as subproperties.
  47. [00:39:31] <aconbere|work> SimonW: maps!
  48. [00:39:40] <aconbere|work> SimonW: rdf is an ugly ugly ugly thing
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  50. [00:41:12] <tommorris_> Correction: RDF/XML is ugly. But it's not designed to be read. N3 is pretty like YAML or JSON.
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  61. [04:06:51] <xerophyte> i have few basic questions somebody help me with, i am just wondering how would consumer site, will get he nick name and other unique to identify the users in their domain of application
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  94. [14:57:03] <david`bgk> hi
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  98. [15:09:15] <jibot> tommorris is a UK blogger, lives in East Sussex and studies philosophy in London, but hasn't yet said whether he's a quark or a lepton and blogs at http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris
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  100. [15:13:10] <david`bgk> wow, did I have to introduce myself like that too?
  101. [15:14:33] <bwlang> i think people have told the bot who they are, and the bot introduces them when they come in...
  102. [15:16:01] <david`bgk> hum, ok ji-bot, I thought it was a friend of him, sorry for the noise
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  104. [15:20:21] <tommorris> I can't seem to get my OpenID login to work - http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Special:OpenIDLogin
  105. [15:30:35] <tommorris> Can someone please try that login - it now seems to work for me (with wordpress.com's new OpenID server)
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  107. [15:30:41] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
  108. [15:31:53] <drewinthehead> hi tommorris ... i'll give it a try
  109. [15:32:32] <tommorris> Thanks drew
  110. [15:32:40] <drewinthehead> it caused MyOpenID to throw a server error, tommorris
  111. [15:32:53] <drewinthehead> unless that was entirely coincidental
  112. [15:33:00] <tommorris> Ah, that's strange. It did the same with my LiveJournal account
  113. [15:35:07] <drewinthehead> I'm not au fait enough with openid implementation to know what to suggest from there...
  114. [15:35:49] <tommorris> It also seems that my user pages have broken.
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  127. [17:16:13] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  134. [18:06:49] <jirwin> cygnus: ping
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  141. [19:21:36] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled & the keeper of jibot purity
  142. [19:37:42] <myren> duuuuddde
  143. [19:37:50] <KevinMarks> hi
  144. [19:38:07] <myren> why are there no angels singing?
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  157. [21:03:28] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled & the keeper of jibot purity
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  160. [21:28:53] <cygnus> jirwin: yes?
  161. [21:28:56] <cygnus> (three hours later.)
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  165. [21:49:53] <jibot> tommorris is a UK blogger, lives in East Sussex and studies philosophy in London, but hasn't yet said whether he's a quark or a lepton and blogs at http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris
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  171. [22:37:26] <jirwin> cygnus: so, I am actually Justin Gallardo(kveton emailed both of us earlier)
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  173. [22:40:39] <jibot> KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & also in every time zone ever created, for KevinMarks is everpresent & the Podfather & begoogled & the keeper of jibot purity
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