IRC Log for #openid on 2007-03-23

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  10. [01:14:25] <jibot> xlarrydrebes is yet another Janrain idler.
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  15. [04:41:05] <keturn> argh, I can't find petname extension anymore :(
  16. [04:42:48] <gregh> http://petname.mozdev.org/ ?
  17. [04:43:25] <gregh> oh huh, the download link says not found
  18. [04:44:11] <keturn> yeah :(
  19. [04:44:26] <keturn> and a search on a.m.o doesn't turn anything up
  20. [04:46:18] <gregh> maybe passpet.org
  21. [04:47:00] <gregh> yay for gmail search
  22. [04:48:59] <keturn> passpet is a somewhat more complicated thing, and doesn't seem to entirely exist yet
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  58. [16:37:27] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  66. [18:58:36] <VxJasonxV> Someone doublecheck my terminology for me: OpenID authenticates you to your IdP, and your IdP authorizes you to the RP ?
  67. [18:58:51] <VxJasonxV> So, isn't OpenID a 'distributed AUTHORIZATION protocol' ?
  68. [18:59:00] <VxJasonxV> because you authenticate to only one place...
  69. [19:00:06] <chowells79> Technically, OpenID doesn't describe the interaction between the user and the IdP
  70. [19:00:30] <chowells79> Any authentication with the IdP is outside the scope of the protocol.
  71. [19:00:43] <VxJasonxV> well, the more important part was RP <-> IdP
  72. [19:02:02] <chowells79> Well, no.
  73. [19:02:07] <chowells79> It's not an authorization protocol
  74. [19:02:31] <chowells79> In this context, authorization means giving credentials that explain what the user is allowed to do.
  75. [19:02:54] <chowells79> Where authentication means giving credentials that identify the user.
  76. [19:02:58] <VxJasonxV> mmmm
  77. [19:02:59] <VxJasonxV> damn D=
  78. [19:03:03] <VxJasonxV> I have to rewrite this comment then
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  80. [19:09:15] <VxJasonxV> What I *thought* OpenID was, was a simpler way for people to leave their information, by allowing them to put it into their server or whatever and then to use it on various sites via a single sign-on type of system.
  81. [19:09:26] <VxJasonxV> Am I missing something here, or is that not what OpenID is... :P
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  83. [19:11:26] <cygnus> VxJasonxV: that is one property of many OpenID servers (that implement Simple Registration), but that is not OpenID entirely
  84. [19:11:46] <VxJasonxV> it's still a part of OpenID, which is the point.
  85. [19:11:47] <cygnus> VxJasonxV: and not all servers (or RPs) implement sreg, either.
  86. [19:11:59] <cygnus> well, an optional part, albeit something that is in widespread use.
  87. [19:12:19] <trel1023> for moderate sizes of widespread :)
  88. [19:12:45] <cygnus> trel1023: well, we're speaking relatively, here; most IDPs I've encountered certainly support it.
  89. [19:13:06] <trel1023> yes - fair enough
  90. [19:14:16] * cygnus conjures SimonW
  91. [19:14:27] <cygnus> oh well.
  92. [19:15:17] <VxJasonxV> I have one more
  93. [19:15:29] <VxJasonxV> augh
  94. [19:15:37] <VxJasonxV> sorry about the vertical scroll, but, read this: http://rafb.net/p/1q8tG737.html
  95. [19:16:15] <VxJasonxV> Am I still on the ball?
  96. [19:17:55] <cygnus> I don't think I have enough context. What's the issue?
  97. [19:18:39] <VxJasonxV> This guy is complaining about OpenID requiring that OpenID commenters need to signup on your Wordpress blog in order to comment.
  98. [19:18:56] <VxJasonxV> That's all the implementation of the plugin, and has nothing to do with OpenID
  99. [19:19:06] <cygnus> yeah.
  100. [19:19:25] <cygnus> "sign up" is a heavy term; an OpenID login would be sufficient, and no sreg data should be necessary. (i.e., no "sign up")
  101. [19:23:38] <VxJasonxV> if you're curious: http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=40
  102. [19:23:40] <VxJasonxV> start reading :-)
  103. [19:23:47] <VxJasonxV> I'm just arguing with a user
  104. [19:25:24] <VxJasonxV> http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=40&page=3&replies=41#post-2433 <-- my response, just posted
  105. [19:27:24] <VxJasonxV> comments? (when you get there)
  106. [19:28:58] <cygnus> That otto guy is totally confused.
  107. [19:29:04] <cygnus> Perhaps not surprisingly.
  108. [19:29:18] <cygnus> I mean, OpenID login does not mean you have an Account.
  109. [19:29:20] <cygnus> maybe you do.
  110. [19:29:22] <cygnus> but maybe you don't.
  111. [19:29:39] <cygnus> And besides, even if you *do*, what that *means* depends on the context.
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  124. [21:09:56] <VxJasonxV> cygnus? http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=40&page=3&replies=43#post-2436 <-- read the newest two posts :)
  125. [21:09:59] <VxJasonxV> please :(
  126. [21:10:22] * VxJasonxV pokes chowells79
  127. [21:10:24] <VxJasonxV> you should too
  128. [21:13:54] <cygnus> I'm not really sure what to say. One could argue that there is no reason to put it in core if making it a plugin works just as well, excluding installation and configuration overhead.
  129. [21:14:05] <cygnus> And his argument, while valid for him, is not valid for everyone.
  130. [21:14:12] <cygnus> But it's valid enough when deciding what goes in core.
  131. [21:14:24] <cygnus> As that often needs to be the minimal set of useful features to get going with the software..
  132. [21:15:25] <cygnus> Unfortunately you're dealing with someone whose main argument is "I don't like it."
  133. [21:15:43] <cygnus> And it's going to be very hard to argue with that.
  134. [21:18:15] <cygnus> what relationship to Wordpress does he have?
  135. [21:18:18] <VxJasonxV> user
  136. [21:18:21] <VxJasonxV> just like me
  137. [21:18:23] <cygnus> ah.
  138. [21:18:28] <cygnus> I wouldn't be too worried, then. :)
  139. [21:28:54] <VxJasonxV> heh
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  144. [23:31:48] <VxJasonxV> O_o
  145. [23:31:50] <VxJasonxV> nat/google/ ?
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