IRC Log for #openid on 2007-04-10

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  22. [04:49:05] <djm62> excuse me, can anyone help me figure out why runlog.media.mit.edu isn't accepting my OpenID (seems to expect email address/username etc but there is only one field to fill in and I filled it)?
  23. [04:53:55] <djm62> I have an openID supplied by AOL if that makes any difference
  24. [04:55:21] <djm62> ah well, if it isn't something which everyone has run into, I'll worry later
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  42. [08:29:41] <mm2000> Hi, is there a rule for how the identifier should look like when stored in the database? -That is, does the identifier needs to have the protocol for instance?
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  56. [12:09:30] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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  72. [15:45:12] <jibot> chowells79 is yet another Janrain idler.
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  81. [16:24:30] <punter> I need to revoke a client certificate on myopenid.com - where is the revocation thing?
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  85. [16:45:09] <mpg4> punter -- understand you're having a myOpenID client cert problem?
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  90. [17:00:10] <jibot> cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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  95. [17:34:50] <punter> hi - how do i 'revoke' a client certificate that i got from myopenid?
  96. [17:35:04] <punter> (I use firefox)
  97. [17:35:18] <mpg4> hi punter -- I'm the developer working on myopenid client certs
  98. [17:35:28] <punter> Hi
  99. [17:35:29] <mpg4> are you just wondering, or do you have a compromised cert?
  100. [17:35:42] <punter> I'm just wondering (preparing for the worst from now)
  101. [17:35:47] <mpg4> we'll be releasing full revocation support later this week
  102. [17:35:59] <punter> I see thanks
  103. [17:36:07] <punter> May I offer a suggestion for the myopenid site?
  104. [17:36:12] <mpg4> please
  105. [17:37:26] <mpg4> what's the suggestion?
  106. [17:37:29] <punter> Ok... since I only use client certs instead of passwords on myopenid, maybe it would be nice if myopenid.com "remembered" that I prefer logging in with certs and didn't make me click "login with cert" each time i log in (and logging in happens often with me, because I use multiple myopenid identities)
  107. [17:38:11] <punter> like, for each identitiy, it could remember that the previous login was with a cert
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  109. [17:38:13] <mpg4> that's already in the pipeline -- you should see it later today, if all goes well
  110. [17:38:22] <punter> thanks :-)
  111. [17:38:42] <mpg4> it's a per-computer setting, since the certs are
  112. [17:39:30] <punter> Yes
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  121. [18:06:04] <dUstBYTeR> hey cygnus
  122. [18:06:19] <cygnus> howdy
  123. [18:06:37] <dUstBYTeR> so i went off last night and tried to get the phpopenid server running.
  124. [18:06:42] <dUstBYTeR> was that the one you had written?
  125. [18:07:06] <cygnus> yep, if you're referring to the "standalone" server from openidenabled.com
  126. [18:07:11] <dUstBYTeR> yup.
  127. [18:07:14] <dUstBYTeR> the one that uses smarty
  128. [18:07:20] <djm62> ooh, people
  129. [18:07:45] <djm62> Can anyone tell me if there are known problems with runlog (possibly in combination with AOL openids?)
  130. [18:08:10] <dUstBYTeR> had a hard time installing it.
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  135. [18:13:29] <dUstBYTeR> cygnus any tips for when im installing it? not sure why it didnt work lst night when i tried it. Also had a hard time finding the library gd which has the freetype support (think thats what it was called)
  136. [18:14:09] <cygnus> dUstBYTeR: well, what, specifically, is going wrong other than GD? the docs should be helpful in installing and configuring it. If not, I'm happy to clarify them.
  137. [18:14:59] <dUstBYTeR> ok. i went through all the steps.
  138. [18:15:14] <dUstBYTeR> first thing i noticed when installing smarty was that this did not work.
  139. [18:15:29] <dUstBYTeR> i created the myapp "application" specified which was to show you Hello Ned
  140. [18:15:41] <dUstBYTeR> this was not working. so i'm not sure what would cause this.
  141. [18:16:02] <dUstBYTeR> I installed it using the instructionson the smarty website.
  142. [18:16:49] <cygnus> dUstBYTeR: in what sense was it not working? blank page, error message?
  143. [18:17:24] <dUstBYTeR> blank page
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  146. [18:22:53] <chowells79> djm62: runlog was producing kind of strange trust roots
  147. [18:23:20] <chowells79> In particular, it was explicitly specifying port 80 on the trust roots, but not on the return_to
  148. [18:23:34] <chowells79> that combination can cause issues with trust root verification
  149. [18:23:57] <chowells79> I know it does at myopenid. It easily could on aol's provider, too
  150. [18:24:15] <chowells79> Does anybody know anyone running that site? It'd be nice to let them know.
  151. [18:25:34] <chowells79> Err. I'm thinking of Run Easy. Is that the same thing you were?
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  156. [19:10:08] <djm62> chowells79: sorry, I'm definitely thinking runlog
  157. [19:10:29] <chowells79> oh
  158. [19:10:29] <djm62> runlog.media.mit.edu
  159. [19:11:34] <djm62> I'm new to openID stuff, and the site, when I type in my URL, seems to think I should have entered in a nickname, email address, etc. But there's only one box, and I filled it in
  160. [19:12:25] <djm62> Response: "You are missing some required fields. Please make sure you supply all required fields (email, nickname, fullname) and try again."
  161. [19:12:41] <chowells79> Ah
  162. [19:12:49] <djm62> it does the redirect stuff to AOL, and I grant permission
  163. [19:12:53] <chowells79> And aol doesn't support sreg
  164. [19:13:04] <djm62> ah ha!
  165. [19:13:21] <djm62> I have no idea what that means, but I suspect you know what has gone wrong
  166. [19:13:23] <chowells79> Yeah, that's a bad way of handling missing sreg responses
  167. [19:13:27] <chowells79> Yes, I do.
  168. [19:13:45] <chowells79> sreg is a tiny extension to openid that lets the RP request additional data from the OP.
  169. [19:14:15] <chowells79> runlog requsts nickname, full name, and email as "required" values.
  170. [19:14:20] <chowells79> But "required" isn't a good term..
  171. [19:14:30] <chowells79> Or at least, it's not clear enough.
  172. [19:14:38] <djm62> it was utterly opaque to me
  173. [19:14:47] <chowells79> Because it's fully possible for an OP, like AOL, to not support sreg
  174. [19:15:07] <chowells79> And so the RP should handle that by requesting any information it didn't get from the OP, instead of displaying an error message like that.
  175. [19:15:35] <djm62> yeah, I've seen sites do that
  176. [19:15:43] <chowells79> Basically, whoever runs the site should be informed that they're making invalid assumptions about sreg.
  177. [19:15:51] <chowells79> and, lunch time.
  178. [19:15:57] <djm62> excellent, I'll email them
  179. [19:16:05] <djm62> thanks for your help
  180. [19:22:34] <rgl> are you using phpunit? how do you run a testcase like: phpunit OpenID_QueryString.php? it assumes the file is inside a OpenID/ directory :(
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  184. [20:14:53] <dUstBYTeR> cygnus i got the smarty working. do you have al ink for getting the GD library?
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  186. [20:22:04] <rgl> chowells79, you known which RFC defines the querystring? I mean, the HTTP 1.1 url does not define that a query string is, eg: key=value&x=2. I mean, it does not say we should use an = or a & to separate the pairs. the only thing related to this, is found on the HTML spec, eg: at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4.1
  187. [20:23:09] <chowells79> Not offhand, but let me check a couple things
  188. [20:26:42] <chowells79> I think it's actually part of the HTML spec, from what I'm seeing
  189. [20:27:25] <rgl> that way my findind too. Thoug, its odd to only find it there :|
  190. [20:27:33] <rgl> err s,way,was
  191. [20:29:42] <cygnus> dUstBYTeR: if you've built PHP from source, you'll have to recompile with GD support. If you installed a package, your distribution may supply a package with PHP GD support.
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  193. [20:35:28] <rgl> chowells79, I remember readying something about using ";" instead of "&" to separate arguments, but dunno where I've read that. do you have any ideia about this?
  194. [20:36:00] <chowells79> Technically, ';' is a defined character in the URL spec
  195. [20:36:09] <chowells79> It means something special.
  196. [20:36:26] <chowells79> take a look at rfc 3985 (and now I'll double-check that number)
  197. [20:36:40] <chowells79> nope, that was wrong
  198. [20:36:52] <chowells79> off by one error
  199. [20:36:56] <chowells79> 3986
  200. [20:37:54] <rgl> yes. but that RFC does not go into details of how to use the query string.
  201. [20:38:04] <chowells79> Err. Hmm. I guess not. Interesting.
  202. [20:38:38] <chowells79> I don't know where its use is defined, then.
  203. [20:38:50] <rgl> the only place that I found something "detailed" was in the HTML spec. (I've looked at: RFC3986, RFC2616)
  204. [20:39:10] <rgl> (the first is about URIs the second is about HTTP 1.1)
  205. [20:39:41] <rgl> (none of those entered in details)
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  211. [21:09:35] <_keturn> I also recall reading something -- years ago -- about how & was on its way out, perhaps because it escaping issues in HTML, but I've not really heard anything about that since.
  212. [21:10:46] <idnar> ; doesn't mean anything special in a query string, but it has meaning for URL path segments
  213. [21:11:44] <idnar> and yeah, HTML "defines" the syntax of a query string, because actually you can put whatever you want in a query string, but probably you want to encode/decode your query strings the same way the user-agent is constructing them, and most HTTP user-agents implement HTML
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  222. [22:43:56] <rgl> _keturn, idnar: so you guys thing one should implement field separator using both? that is, split on & and/or ; ?
  223. [22:44:45] <idnar> no
  224. [22:45:35] <rgl> why not idnar ?
  225. [22:45:57] <idnar> because nothing uses ;, and there is valid data that will break
  226. [22:46:25] <idnar> (any value with a ; in it)
  227. [22:47:06] <rgl> idnar, it should not break. because that char should be escaped.
  228. [22:47:43] <rgl> (url encoded that is; the %XX thing)
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  230. [22:50:03] <_keturn> afaict, the name for that encoding is "x-www-form-urlencoded", it's defined in the HTML specification, and doesn't say anything about ;
  231. [22:51:15] <rgl> _keturn, yes, you are right. it doens't mention it. thou, if you are talking about HTML 4.01 the spec is old :D
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  235. [23:07:14] <rgl> I'll not implement the ;. :D
  236. [23:07:21] <rgl> thx for the chat!
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