IRC Log for #openid on 2007-04-16
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- [01:28:00] * GabeW chuckles about the comment that "this channel gets little/no use"
- [01:28:07] <GabeW>
I guess its all a matter of perspective
- [01:28:14] * GabeW thinks it gets quite a bit
- [01:28:21] <GabeW>
high signal to noise ratio
- [01:29:28] <philip>
yeah, i commented after only looking at the last two days... then starting threeish days ago that all changed
- [01:32:36] <GabeW>
well, its the weekend
- [01:32:55] <GabeW>
at the end of a holiday week here in the states
- [01:33:34] <philip>
that makes sense
- [01:33:53] <GabeW>
its not a super busy channel
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- [01:48:45] <philip>
quality not quantity :)
- [01:49:07] <philip>
i'm just starting out on my OpenID adventures but plan to go a long way
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- [01:50:06] <philip>
i work on the php.net project so plan to use it for some of our operations, like the user notes, or at least am exploring the idea
- [01:50:12] <SRogers>
ditto - I'm just digging into the Restful Open ID Authentication plugin
- [01:51:44] <philip>
that's a ruby openid api?
- [01:52:03] <SRogers>
http://identity.eastmedia.com/identity/show/Restful+OpenID+Authentication
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- [01:53:17] <philip>
the thought of allowing users to easily login without worrying about a million separate usernames/passwords is really quite exciting
- [01:55:18] <philip>
i'm still worried about spam however, and the ability for spammers to create open ids so am researching this topic
- [01:56:05] <GabeW>
the janrain guys have botbouncer
- [01:56:14] <GabeW>
but another way of looking at that is that it prevents machines from having openids
- [01:57:36] <philip>
will we ever find something better then CAPTCHA for finding humans?
- [01:58:01] <gregh_>
spammers will certainly end up having openids, you just have to make sure you don't attribute any extra privileges on a user just due to the existence of an openid
- [01:59:01] <gregh_>
just like an email spammer having valid spf records doesn't make them any less of a spammer
- [02:00:55] <philip>
in this particular example, it's for allowing users to add comments to manual (documentation) entries... so rather then using it for limiting spam abuse, we'll instead focus on using the ids for tracking so they can for example see all their contributions? or so we can delete all notes by user id xxxxx? hmm
- [02:02:32] <gregh_>
keep in mind that there are already services out there that allow anybody to use any openid name that is under the service domain, with no authentication or any other restrictions
- [02:02:38] <philip>
this botbouncer is interesting but i'm unsure how it's different from a developer having their own captcha checks on teh site
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- [02:03:05] <GabeW>
its not, except the user doesn't have to do captcha at every freaking site
- [02:03:09] <GabeW>
only once per openid
- [02:03:16] <philip>
ah
- [02:03:19] <gregh_>
eg. http://www.jkg.in/openid/
- [02:03:47] <GabeW>
sometimes I'd rather just poke myself and bleed into my keyboard rather than do another captcha
- [02:03:54] <GabeW>
(for the dna scan, that is)
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- [02:06:46] <philip>
this botbouncer however isn't a bad idea
- [02:07:26] <philip>
i too wish we, as a world, would come up with something aside from captcha but we haven't
- [02:09:09] <philip>
so if botbouncer.com is down, revert to your own [captcha] mechanism (as backup), so you'll then at least know person X answered at least one captcha in their life
- [02:09:50] <philip>
any other common mechanisms?
- [02:10:38] <philip>
i'm exploring jyte but it looks too... complicated and time consuming for most
- [02:10:47] <GabeW>
complicated? hehe
- [02:10:52] <GabeW>
there's not much to it
- [02:11:19] <philip>
if i give my mom an openid and tell her to use it... she needs to come up with some "cred questions"?
- [02:12:14] <philip>
i can see how it could be used something like a "gpg ring party" however with claims like "I am human" with friends approving said claim
- [02:13:56] <GabeW>
i don't think cred is all that clear
- [02:13:58] <GabeW>
or useful
- [02:14:02] <GabeW>
but I don't know
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- [03:14:50] <philip>
me either, but it looks like something worthy of looking into
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keturn is Kevin Turner
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cygnus is WorkerBee(name="Jonathan Daugherty", company="JanRain, Inc.")
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- [20:50:37] <rgl>
hello
- [20:52:19] <rgl>
the simple registration extension mentions that the country field is a iso 3166 country code, but is it a two letter, or three letter code?
- [20:52:39] <rgl>
or can it be both?
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- [20:58:13] <keturn>
alpha-2 is what most everyone else uses, so I'd stick to that
- [21:00:45] <rgl>
alright, thx keturn :D
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- [22:13:58] <rgl>
the URL http://sub.a.site.example/ matches the realm http://*.site.example/ ?
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- [22:29:51] <trepcas>
hi
- [22:30:05] <trepcas>
anybody here ?
- [22:30:46] <GabeW>
lots
- [22:31:09] <trepcas>
great
- [22:31:27] <trepcas>
i have a question ... its probably pretty silly but i don't seem to get it
- [22:33:17] <trepcas>
when a consumer sends a person to openid server ... and he authenticates there and he sends him back ...why do you need that secret ... i mean if you want to be sure that you got the data from the correct server isn't it enough to just check his IP/hostname ?
- [22:34:01] <GabeW>
how does the RP know that the assertion came from the OP that the RP initially redirected the user to?
- [22:34:27] <trepcas>
RP ?
- [22:34:33] <GabeW>
relying party - consumer
- [22:34:36] <trepcas>
aha
- [22:35:32] <trepcas>
because he checks the IP/hostname of the client that sended him the data
- [22:35:46] <trepcas>
i mean ... RP -> OP and then OP ->RP...right ?
- [22:36:23] <trepcas>
so in this case you would have to spoof the DNS to really fool the RP ?
- [22:36:23] <gregh_>
using an IP is not strong enough, because multiple users may be using the same IP address
- [22:36:40] <gregh_>
or, one user might be going through a proxy network that switches IP addresses between requests
- [22:37:11] <trepcas>
hm..right :)
- [22:37:13] <trepcas>
thanks
- [22:37:25] <chowells79>
Has anyone checked to see if openid works over Tor? Not that the use case makes any sense... I'm anonymizing myself to identify myself as the owner of this url! :)
- [22:38:00] <rgl>
tor?
- [22:38:07] <gregh_>
http://tor.eff.org
- [22:38:18] <chowells79>
Onion routing network. Anonymizes traffic.
- [22:38:58] <keturn>
which parties would be behind Tor?
- [22:41:38] <chowells79>
I was thinking the user's browser.
- [22:41:44] <chowells79>
It should work just fine, in that case.
- [22:41:52] <chowells79>
But it'd be kind of silly.
- [22:42:06] <rgl>
interesting *G*
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- [22:42:33] <rgl>
you guys saw my realm question? :D
- [22:46:48] <keturn>
answer is yes
- [22:50:45] <rgl>
keturn, the wildcard matches multiple domain components?
- [22:50:50] <trepcas>
anyone knows where I could get a nice openid diagram explaining the protocol ?
- [22:51:40] <rgl>
keturn, like, http://sub.a.site.example/, http://x.y.z.sub.a.site.example/, http://a.a.a.a.a.sub.a.site.example/?
- [22:53:23] <keturn>
openid.net openidenabled.com windley.com leancode.com ...
- [22:53:24] <rgl>
trepcas, this was a nice presenttion: http://identity20.com/media/ETECH_2006/ (not exactly an diagram)
- [22:53:38] <keturn>
rgl: yup
- [22:55:34] <trepcas>
thanks
- [22:56:12] <trepcas>
http://leancode.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/openid_protocol.png
- [22:56:42] <rgl>
keturn, thx!
- [22:57:36] <idnar>
chowells79: not necessarily
- [22:57:48] <idnar>
chowells79: the openid identity you're using may be pseudonymous
- [22:58:20] <idnar>
chowells79: or you might just want to hide how you're currently connecting to the internet, but not care about hiding who you actually are
- [22:59:29] <chowells79>
Those are both valid cases idnar. I was being slightly facetious, as I had actually considered the pseudonymous case. Good catch on the other one.
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