IRC Log for #openid on 2007-08-18

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  9. [03:53:23] <GabeW> if anyone is interested, there exists #oauth
  10. [03:53:53] <VxJasonxV> Is it linked to the oauth Pibb channel? :D
  11. [03:54:32] <openidpibbrelay> <Gabe Wachob> hmm
  12. [03:54:34] <openidpibbrelay> <Gabe Wachob> thats a good question
  13. [03:54:42] <openidpibbrelay> <Gabe Wachob> clearly not
  14. [03:54:53] <openidpibbrelay> <Gabe Wachob> but I will bug someone like _keturn
  15. [03:55:23] <VxJasonxV> You can ask Kevin Fox
  16. [03:55:28] <VxJasonxV> he's very generally responsive and helpful
  17. [03:55:33] <GabeW> oh yah
  18. [03:55:37] <GabeW> he was pibb-man
  19. [03:55:38] <GabeW> at IIW
  20. [03:55:42] <VxJasonxV> heh
  21. [03:55:52] <VxJasonxV> I was about to ask what you meant by /was/ :P
  22. [03:56:07] <openidpibbrelay> <Gabe Wachob> yah, I had him whacked a few minutes ago
  23. [03:56:17] <GabeW> this is awfully wierd being in the channel and on pibb
  24. [03:56:25] <VxJasonxV> But it's cool
  25. [03:59:03] <GabeW> truly, though,
  26. [03:59:08] <GabeW> i should only have one identity
  27. [03:59:11] <GabeW> be it on IRC or pibb
  28. [03:59:14] <GabeW> :-?
  29. [03:59:20] <VxJasonxV> Use Pibb
  30. [03:59:23] <VxJasonxV> OpenID r--lz
  31. [03:59:26] <VxJasonxV> r00lz*
  32. [03:59:38] <GabeW> har
  33. [03:59:39] <GabeW> but
  34. [03:59:46] <GabeW> pibb is only on this channel and one other
  35. [03:59:54] <GabeW> i am on about 15 irc channels
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  57. [05:54:39] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> we are working on adding more
  58. [05:55:20] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> channels
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  85. [12:27:51] <Mavvie> How does the OpenID authentication and the FOAF project link? Are they two different things or are they related?
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  96. [17:03:31] <VxJasonxV> Mavvie, two entirely different things.
  97. [17:03:49] <VxJasonxV> Hey Kevin, I was wondering
  98. [17:03:56] <VxJasonxV> Why is Pibb pure SSL anyways?
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  103. [18:50:22] <openidpibbrelay> <keturn> Encrypted For Your Protection.
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  107. [20:17:19] <Peng> Argh. What the hell is with OpenID servers using stupid user-agents?
  108. [20:17:33] <Peng> I don't block libwww-perl anymore, but I still want to block "".
  109. [20:17:43] * Peng thwacks Pibb.
  110. [20:17:58] <Peng> Err, not servers. Websites that use OpenID for logins. You know what I mean.
  111. [20:18:08] <Peng> Idiots.
  112. [20:21:13] <openidpibbrelay> <cygnus> Um, the user-agent is advisory *at best*.
  113. [20:24:18] <Peng> Yeah, and blocking bots too stupid to at least fake a real user-agent helps block some spambots.
  114. [20:24:27] <Peng> I'm usually nicer. Maybe I read too much IncrediBILL. :)
  115. [20:29:18] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Hm, Pibb is interesting.
  116. [20:29:25] <Peng> And openidpibbrelay is a little slow.
  117. [20:35:17] <keturn> huh. Pibb doesn't send a U-A? I'll have to make sure to check that in the ruby lib.
  118. [20:36:25] <Peng> :)
  119. [20:36:29] <Peng> Yeah, it didn't send one.
  120. [20:36:44] <Peng> Ruby lib, huh?
  121. [20:51:49] <keturn> I think the part of pibb that sends those requests is in Ruby. I could be wrong about that.
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  123. [20:54:29] <keturn> Pibb is a research project by a code-generating artificial intelligence, and the virtual machines it chooses to carry out its subprocesses change on a whim and are neigh unpredictable to human engineers.
  124. [20:55:18] <keturn> (perhaps that should be a jyte claim or two.)
  125. [20:55:44] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Was the AI built by Google? :)
  126. [20:56:13] <idnar> nah, Cyberdyne Systems
  127. [20:57:01] <Peng> Heh.
  128. [20:57:28] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> (me == Peng)
  129. [20:57:38] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> ** Matt Nordhoff alt-tabs back to X-Chat. :)
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  131. [21:16:17] <idnar> heh
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  133. [21:18:48] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Actually, I'm still exploring Pibb. :(
  134. [21:19:19] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> any questions?
  135. [21:19:29] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Not too many.
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  137. [21:19:40] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I was just stalking you to try to find interesting channels. :)
  138. [21:19:50] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Any way to mark things as unread?
  139. [21:21:34] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Netnews lets you mark messages as unread, but I haven't found that anywhere on the web. It's annoying.
  140. [21:22:46] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> just to scroll through them
  141. [21:22:56] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> or fast forward with the arrows
  142. [21:23:06] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> errr unread
  143. [21:23:08] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah. :P
  144. [21:23:26] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> sorry, no, no way for unread at the moment, working on ability to *star* messages
  145. [21:25:19] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Well, while you're doing that, unread would be nice too. :)
  146. [21:26:11] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> will add it to the list :)
  147. [21:26:31] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Thanks. :)
  148. [21:27:47] <idnar> I guess I should take a look at pibb
  149. [21:28:13] <idnar> a closer look, anyhow
  150. [21:28:16] <idnar> it seems like a rather awkward proposition
  151. [21:28:34] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> its not though :)
  152. [21:29:05] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah, it is pretty neat.
  153. [21:29:14] <idnar> I mean, the core idea seems great
  154. [21:29:16] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> And no trouble to try.
  155. [21:29:36] <idnar> but in terms of user interface, I don't really see it being workable for me
  156. [21:29:54] <idnar> "pibb.com also asked for additional information. It did not provide a link to the policy on data it collects."
  157. [21:29:57] <idnar> tsk tsk ;)
  158. [21:30:08] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Hmm. Pibb -> IRC is slower than IRC -> Pibb.
  159. [21:30:29] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Heh. All I gave it was my name and time zone, and it didn't complain.
  160. [21:30:49] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Ooh, no nick autocomplete in Pibb. That's a bad thing.
  161. [21:31:25] <idnar> the interface seems pretty slick, but webapps currently have some pretty major limitations in terms of notification and so on
  162. [21:31:31] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Pibb needs more docs. A help section and an OpenID data policy thing too, I guess.
  163. [21:31:38] <idnar> is there some kind of third-party API?
  164. [21:31:53] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> OpenID data policy?
  165. [21:32:03] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> ** Matt Nordhoff points up.
  166. [21:32:14] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> http://janrain.com/products/how-to-use-the-pibb-openid-communication-platform/
  167. [21:32:24] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> help section
  168. [21:32:35] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Ah. Yeah, that is pretty good.
  169. [21:32:57] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I heard "screencast", and I don't have sound working, so I didn't check it out.
  170. [21:33:08] <openidpibbrelay> <mithrandi> whee
  171. [21:33:10] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> our Terms of Service have our data sharing policies
  172. [21:33:29] <openidpibbrelay> <mithrandi> ** mithrandi waves for the camera
  173. [21:33:33] <gregdh> and why doesn't pibb.com mention xmpp?
  174. [21:33:40] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Well, of course I knew that, because of course I read them before signing up. Coughcough.
  175. [21:34:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Ooh. Either me or gregdh had the 500th message in this...channel.
  176. [21:34:25] <idnar> whoa, XMPP, what?
  177. [21:34:44] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> And topic.
  178. [21:34:56] * idnar checks out the screencast
  179. [21:35:15] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> There's a screencast?
  180. [21:35:16] <gregdh> well, pibb doesn't seem to be based on xmpp, yet it's some kind of IM thing. seems like somebody missed that boat
  181. [21:35:17] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> "Logged In Users" is in an arbitrary order?
  182. [21:36:16] <idnar> ah
  183. [21:36:26] <idnar> well, an XMPP interface would be useful, because then I could integrate it with my existing stuff
  184. [21:36:33] <idnar> don't know how well that would work, though
  185. [21:36:51] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> ** Matt Nordhoff looks up XMPP.
  186. [21:37:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> jabber
  187. [21:37:24] <idnar> it's the protocol Jabber uses
  188. [21:37:42] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> a bridge to jabber/xmpp is on the list
  189. [21:37:44] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Oh, neat.
  190. [21:37:54] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I barely know anything about Jabber, though. :P
  191. [21:38:02] <keturn> I see pibb as targetting the phpbb space as much (or more) than the xmpp space
  192. [21:38:05] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> IRC was just a test
  193. [21:38:47] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> we want all spaces :) though ya phpbb is closer than xmpp stuff
  194. [21:39:07] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> brb
  195. [21:39:24] <idnar> "web forums" and "bulletin boards" drive me batty, because they're so cumbersome to track; but for that sort of thing, I tend to prefer mailing lists
  196. [21:39:39] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yuck, mailing lists. Newsgroups++.
  197. [21:39:59] <idnar> pretty easy to gateway between newsgroups and mailing lists
  198. [21:40:10] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah.
  199. [21:40:20] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Mailing lists always have screwed-up threading.
  200. [21:40:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Due to crappy clients that don't understand it?
  201. [21:40:31] <idnar> honestly, I also think newsgroups are better; it's mainly a matter of the client software I have at my disposal
  202. [21:40:48] <idnar> unfortunately, RSS / Atom don't seem to be a rich enough interface for consuming either newsgroups/mailing lists, or web forums and the like
  203. [21:41:11] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I guess newsgroups are "pull" while mailing lists are "push". That should make it more efficient too.
  204. [21:41:52] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Not that my last sentence meant anything.
  205. [21:41:57] <idnar> should make what more efficient, mailing lists?
  206. [21:42:13] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Just in bandwidth consumption./
  207. [21:42:20] <idnar> there's sort of a trade-off
  208. [21:42:32] <idnar> pulling newsgroups is probably more efficient than pulling RSS/Atom feeds, though
  209. [21:42:33] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Mailing lists have to send messages to every subscriber while newsgroups only have to send them to the subscribers that are actually reading it.
  210. [21:42:44] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> It doesn't really matter anyway.
  211. [21:42:46] <idnar> ah.
  212. [21:43:02] <idnar> the flip side of that is that your NNTP client has to poll the news server continually
  213. [21:43:10] <idnar> then again, most people's mail clients do that anyway
  214. [21:43:16] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Your POP3 client does too.
  215. [21:43:17] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah.
  216. [21:43:24] <Peng> Blah, 6 seconds apart.
  217. [21:43:26] <idnar> but there are "push" mailbox protocols
  218. [21:43:36] <idnar> cellphone clients have made that sort of thing more popular
  219. [21:43:36] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> IMAP?
  220. [21:44:05] <idnar> I think that kind of "intermittent subscription" is probably best
  221. [21:44:24] <idnar> you have some kind of push protocol between servers
  222. [21:44:28] <idnar> like SMTP
  223. [21:44:28] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Hmph. I can see 14 lines at a time in Pibb and 69 in X-Chat.
  224. [21:44:55] <idnar> and then when you run your user agent, it associates with your server, and stuff gets pushed to your user agent as it arrives
  225. [21:46:00] <idnar> I'd really like it if I had one piece of software for dealing with e-mail, newsgroups, feeds, etc.
  226. [21:46:19] <idnar> or one interface, anyhow
  227. [21:46:23] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Opera? :D
  228. [21:46:59] <idnar> I haven't actually used Opera in ages, so I don't know how it handles those sorts of things; but does it really have a combined interface for them?
  229. [21:47:25] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I don't know. I just use it as a web browser.
  230. [21:47:36] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I checked out its IRC client once but didn't like it. It looked really basic.
  231. [21:47:53] <idnar> I know various people do things like gatewaying their feeds to e-mail, but no single piece of software seems to have enough functionality to suit my needs
  232. [21:48:36] <idnar> I read some mailing lists via gmane and others via e-mail just because I can find a newsreader that works better for some things than my MUA
  233. [21:48:59] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I use(d) Thunderbird for both, so..
  234. [21:49:44] <idnar> I'm probably more of a power user than most; I'm currently on more than 60 mailing lists
  235. [21:49:56] <idnar> (and I'm in something like 35 IRC channels at the moment)
  236. [21:50:52] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Aww, I'm only in 24 IRC channels. I lose.
  237. [21:52:02] <idnar> heehee
  238. [21:52:47] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I might be subscribed to 30 or 40 mailing lists, though.
  239. [21:52:58] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Though all they're doing is flooding my Gmail account.
  240. [21:53:03] <idnar> heh
  241. [21:53:53] <idnar> anyhow, yeah; one of the problems I usually have with using web forums is that keeping track of them means visiting N sites every day, rather than just firing up my mail client (or whatever)
  242. [21:54:46] <idnar> if I could check them all out in Pibb, that would be great; but of course, that's not likely to happen any time soon, without gatewaying software or similar
  243. [21:54:58] <gregdh> a while ago I wrote a little app for myself that reminded me to visit various web sites at paticular intervals, to see what changed
  244. [21:55:13] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I have a simple solution to that: I just don't keep track of any forums much. :)
  245. [21:55:19] <gregdh> it was all ajaxy so all I would do is click on the link, the site would open in another window and the link would vanish until the next <n> days
  246. [21:55:20] <idnar> hmm, that's odd
  247. [21:55:24] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Blah, I have like four months of backlog on two. Oops.
  248. [21:55:35] <idnar> my Pibb window for this seems to have stalled
  249. [21:55:52] <idnar> oh I see, I wasn't keeping up, so I get to page through it
  250. [21:55:55] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Huh. Hasn't happened to me yet.
  251. [21:56:06] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Oh.
  252. [21:56:28] <openidpibbrelay> <mithrandi> and I'm back in realtime :)
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  256. [22:04:44] <idnar> is openidpibbrelay using super s3kr1t backend access on the Pibb side?
  257. [22:05:47] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Super s3kr1t and slow too.
  258. [22:05:57] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> A little.
  259. [22:06:07] <idnar> yeah, the latency is a bit funny
  260. [22:06:29] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah, latency, that's the word.
  261. [22:07:32] <gregdh> it's just a thin tube :)
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  263. [22:08:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Bleh, jumpy, slow ajax interface.
  264. [22:08:42] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> It doesn't take half a second of jumpiness to switch tabs in X-Chat.
  265. [22:09:13] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> No matter how much people work on web interfaces, it's always "well, this is mostly as good as a regular interface, right?"
  266. [22:09:50] <idnar> heh
  267. [22:09:57] <idnar> that's partly the browser's fault
  268. [22:10:15] <idnar> but "regular" interfaces are often pretty awful, too
  269. [22:11:49] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> As I said, it doesn't take half a second of jumpiness to switch tabs in X-Chat.
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  275. [22:27:07] <jibot> VxJasonxV is just another OpenID fan. Though he understands Yadis and follows it's progression.
  276. [22:27:46] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Gah. I think someone has said something in the channel, and it's just jibot announcing someone joined. :(
  277. [22:27:52] <idnar> heh
  278. [22:28:10] <idnar> hmm, that's one problem with the gateway, you can't see who's around on the IRC side
  279. [22:28:28] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> The gateway could announce such things.
  280. [22:30:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Hmm, I just had the UI go blank when I clicked on a channel after searching for it.
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  282. [22:36:24] <VxJasonxV> Now that the relay is up, should we kick jibot out?
  283. [22:39:00] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Does he do anything?
  284. [22:43:29] <GabeW> um
  285. [22:43:30] <GabeW> i like jibot
  286. [22:43:33] <GabeW> but
  287. [22:43:40] <GabeW> jibot should be pibb-enabled, methinks
  288. [22:43:49] <GabeW> jibot lets me know who people are...
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  290. [22:54:22] <gregdh> jibot is still here? I /ignore'd him months ago :)
  291. [22:58:27] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Heh, good idea.
  292. [22:58:48] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Does Pibb have ignoring?
  293. [23:14:13] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> I have an on-topic question for once... If I switched my OpenID URL from http to https, would it still be the same identity?
  294. [23:22:41] <openidpibbrelay> <Kevin Fox> it should be... I think
  295. [23:23:35] <gregdh> it depends on how the RP handles that
  296. [23:23:51] <gregdh> in theory they could be different identities, so a careful RP would distinguish between them
  297. [23:26:21] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah, but they won't be if I enable HTTPS on my site and want to use it for OpenID. I guess I'll just have to try it to see how different sites behave.
  298. [23:26:31] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Is this mentioned in the spec or anything?
  299. [23:27:08] <keturn> no, https://example.com and http://example.com are different identifiers.
  300. [23:27:58] <keturn> http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0-12.html#http_s_identifiers
  301. [23:28:04] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Shoot.
  302. [23:29:02] <keturn> HTTPS identifiers are more secure. You don't want an application treating a HTTP identifier as equivalent to it.
  303. [23:30:07] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> Yeah, but what am I supposed to do whenever I start using HTTPS and all of my OpenID stuff is still using HTTP?
  304. [23:30:56] <gregdh> use RPs that can attach more than one identifier to a local account :)
  305. [23:31:31] <openidpibbrelay> <Matt Nordhoff> ...
  306. [23:32:12] <gregdh> yeah, it's hardly ideal
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