IRC Log for #openid on 2007-09-05

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  42. [11:23:00] <id416> hi
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  70. [17:44:22] <id416> hi
  71. [17:44:30] * id416 is now known as melvster
  72. [17:44:33] <melvster> oops
  73. [17:45:52] <melvster> whats the difference between a social graph and a social network?
  74. [17:54:32] <_keturn> I think "graph" is more a math jargon term. People don't think in terms of "adding more nodes and edges to my social graph." But they do go to socials and conferences to "network."
  75. [17:55:21] <noccy> anyone with technical madskillz regarding OpenID online now? :)
  76. [17:55:55] <_keturn> noccy: is_valid:false, you say? What implementation are you using?
  77. [17:56:21] <noccy> _keturn: i ported the simple php implementation
  78. [17:56:53] <melvster> graph is a mathematical term
  79. [17:57:17] <melvster> it is a specific kind of network, where the edges are symmetric, and of uniform weight
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  81. [17:57:52] <noccy> _keturn: http://pastebin.com/m27efa3e5
  82. [17:58:15] <melvster> i guess the social and mathematical definitions are a bit mixed up
  83. [17:58:49] <melvster> what a mess
  84. [17:58:50] <noccy> _keturn: and only the script highlighted - http://pastebin.com/m6bcabac9
  85. [17:59:28] <melvster> wow - pastebin is pretty cool
  86. [17:59:41] <noccy> indeed it is :) very helpful when you need to look at code
  87. [17:59:59] <_keturn> hm. Did the code you ported from have any tests?
  88. [18:00:18] <noccy> nopes, but i grabbed it from the openid libraries site, so it should work
  89. [18:00:32] <melvster> mebbe i should put my openid server there
  90. [18:01:30] <noccy> i think sourceforge is a better option if you want to share a project :)
  91. [18:01:54] <noccy> the weird thing is that to my (untrained) eye, the URLs it passes back and forth looks ok
  92. [18:04:25] <noccy> btw to try that component, save it as "openid.wsc" and open it with regsvr32.exe, it's the accessible from any com aware language as "OpenID.Consumer"
  93. [18:05:27] <melvster> quick question: are you coding for openid1 or openid2 (rc)?
  94. [18:06:09] <noccy> hm that that's openid1 i think
  95. [18:07:08] <noccy> http://pastebin.com/d25f72898 <- that's the source
  96. [18:09:04] <noccy> some parts were obviously unneccesary, such as the redirecting, instead of outputting a redirect just grab GetRedirectURL() and redirect it yourself. And, the ValidateWithServer() call needs to have the querystring passed to it
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  98. [18:12:35] <noccy> http://pastebin.com/d76c545c6 <-- test script (openidtest.vbs)
  99. [18:14:58] <_keturn> what's this about? "str_replace('sreg.','sreg_',request['openid.signed'])"
  100. [18:15:56] <noccy> i don't know. i ported that just to be safe. i think that PHP replaces "." in query strings to "_" and hence sreg_xxx must be converted back to sreg.xxx, but i haven't got that much PHP experience tbh
  101. [18:16:38] <noccy> so it's more of a suspicion :)
  102. [18:17:46] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> hah
  103. [18:17:57] <noccy> there is another line a bit down that does the opposite translation btw
  104. [18:18:07] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> that's a failed attempt to fix the signed value since PHP replaces dots with underscores.
  105. [18:18:24] <noccy> ah, thanks for confirming that :)
  106. [18:18:29] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> that line will always break the sig in cases where sreg values were sent.
  107. [18:18:49] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> ** cygnus cries
  108. [18:19:16] <noccy> cygnus, have a peek at line 185-150 of http://pastebin.com/m6bcabac9 -- it's ported from PHP
  109. [18:21:21] <_keturn> yeah, but it's not ported from the PHP cygnus wrote ;)
  110. [18:22:42] <noccy> lol no, ofc :P sadly, would have given some insight otherwise :D
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  112. [18:33:04] <noccy> the first steps are ok, the redirect, authentication, the return etc. what fails is in the ValidateWithServer function
  113. [18:41:56] <_keturn> I'm trying to think of a way you could get known good protocol data to compare against, but it's a little tricky because most of the implementations I know would try to use an association instead of going straight to the check_authentication step
  114. [18:42:14] <_keturn> I guess you could try to get a protocol capture from the code you started with, if that code does in fact work
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  116. [18:44:33] <noccy> well, that's already in place if you wanna have a peek?
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  119. [18:50:04] <noccy> _keturn: does the stuff it give you make any sense?
  120. [18:53:17] <noccy> since it's running as a separate component i can't output debug info as it's running, so i made the ValidateWithServer function do return(url) instead of actually validating
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  122. [18:59:22] <noccy> tried to match that with the specs last night, and i noticed that "openid.mode" appears in the "openid.signed" parameter
  123. [18:59:55] <noccy> however, "openid.signed" is changed in the next request to be "check_authentication". dunno if that could have got something to do with it
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  125. [19:09:03] <noccy> i think we're like 5 ppl looking into this now, and still no answers :(
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  129. [19:33:08] <_keturn> sorry, distracted by other things
  130. [19:33:42] <_keturn> but yes, if openid.signed changes, that's a problem
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  132. [19:37:54] <noccy> well openid.signed is left intact. openid.mode is included in openid.signed tho, but it needs to be changed into "check_authentication" :) hehe
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