IRC Log for #openid on 2007-10-09
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- [02:25:23] <lopnor_>
livedoor's openid URL is "profile.livedoor.com/username".
- [02:25:33] <lopnor_>
http://openid.net/get/
- [02:36:20] <Melvster_>
nice
- [02:37:01] <Melvster_>
hey openid.net rocks!
- [02:42:18] <Melvster_>
buzz is excellent
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- [06:00:59] <IamEthos>
is anyone who is involved in the development of OpenId around?
- [06:01:10] <IamEthos>
because little do you guys know, you have the opportunity to stop span for good
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- [10:36:18] <Melvster>
stop spam for good?
- [10:36:36] <Melvster>
think you underestimate spammers...
- [10:43:57] <Melvster>
does anyone know the purpose of session_start() in the php janrain example consumer try_auth.php & finish_auth.php ?
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- [11:01:59] <Abdur-Rahman>
hey guys, is there some working implementation of ruby openID 2.x.x
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- [11:52:13] <Papi>
Hello all
- [11:53:26] <Melvster>
hi
- [11:53:39] <Papi>
I have a question for you : If I log into an openid authentication enabled website, am I logged to all openid authentication enabled website ?
- [11:54:22] <Papi>
If I log to digg using my openid account, am I connected to all the websites that support openid authentication ?
- [11:54:56] <Papi>
wich is, imho, a real SSO. No ?
- [11:55:05] <Melvster>
nope
- [11:55:24] <Melvster>
when you log on to digg you are only logged in to digg
- [11:55:25] <Papi>
why ?
- [11:55:37] <Papi>
ok
- [11:55:37] <Papi>
thx
- [11:55:40] <Melvster>
you have access to the other websites, but you are not by default logged on
- [11:56:53] <Papi>
so this is not a single sign on
- [11:56:53] <Melvster>
it depends on the policy of the website i guess
- [11:57:22] <Abdur-Rahman>
hey guys, is there some working implementation of ruby openID 2.x.x
- [11:57:31] <Papi>
wikipedia : Single sign-on (SSO) is a method of access control that enables a user to authenticate once and gain access to the resources of multiple software systems.
- [11:57:54] <Melvster>
abdur: sorry dont know
- [11:58:12] <Melvster>
ah yes
- [11:58:14] <Melvster>
SO
- [11:58:19] <Melvster>
you only have to authenticate once
- [11:58:26] <Melvster>
with your openid provider
- [11:58:39] <Melvster>
in general
- [11:58:47] <Melvster>
but there are 3 elements
- [11:58:49] <Melvster>
YOU
- [11:58:53] <Melvster>
your provider
- [11:58:58] <Melvster>
and the website you are using
- [11:59:13] <Melvster>
you only have to sign on once with your provider
- [11:59:19] <Melvster>
in theory
- [11:59:37] <Papi>
Could test if it works for you ? I can't make it work with my own openid server
- [11:59:47] <Melvster>
sure
- [11:59:51] <Papi>
thx
- [12:00:58] <Melvster>
try this
- [12:01:00] <Melvster>
http://www.openidenabled.com/resources/openid-test/diagnose-server
- [12:01:59] <Papi>
Everything seems to be fine. I already made it
- [12:03:13] <idnar_>
I don't really think OpenID has major implications in the fight against spam
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- [12:03:34] <claudio>
Papi, you authenticate once (by the provider) and you then gain access to other openid enabled sites, BUT ONLY when you give explicit consensum to every request
- [12:03:38] <idnar>
it could act as an enabler for certain spam prevention technologies, but that's about it
- [12:04:18] <Papi>
claudio: Where can I get information about th explicit consensum please ?
- [12:04:45] <claudio>
Papi, is when you enter your openid identifier in the "please enter you openid id" form
- [12:05:26] <claudio>
Papi, then the RP goes to your provider, the provider MAY ask you the consensum, if the RP is unknown so far
- [12:05:28] <Melvster>
spammers tend to be pretty persistent, once a site is openid enabled, its something every RP will have to potentially deal with
- [12:06:09] <claudio>
Papi, but the provider could already know you (you signed in minutes ago)
- [12:07:28] <Papi>
let me explain the situation clearlier :
- [12:08:47] <Papi>
I installed a php openid server (1.1), I installed 2 web applications openid compliant. Both web applications url are trusted. But when I log in to one, I'm not logged to the other
- [12:13:34] <claudio>
yeah, of course not
- [12:13:42] <claudio>
this not how OpenID works
- [12:14:43] <Papi>
sorry if I don't understand. But could you explain me how does the sso works please ?
- [12:14:49] <Melvster>
by default there is normally a login form
- [12:16:07] <Melvster>
so you have to click to get into the site
- [12:16:15] <Melvster>
but you dont necessarily have to authenticate again
- [12:16:32] <Papi>
Ok like all websites using cookies
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- [12:16:46] <Melvster>
well if they use cookies, normally you go straight in
- [12:17:05] <Papi>
My guess is : Is openid a sso system or not ?
- [12:17:15] <Melvster>
depends on your definition
- [12:17:22] <Melvster>
it's not the same as windows
- [12:17:23] <Papi>
:)
- [12:17:44] <Papi>
ok I have my answer. Thanks a lot for all your help
- [12:18:56] <Melvster>
at the end of the day it depends on how the website wants to implement it
- [12:19:05] <Melvster>
most sites have a login box that will take you to your provider
- [12:19:56] <Melvster>
in THEORY, you could do a handshake over HTTP and it will let you straight in
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- [12:22:28] <Melvster>
or your client could prepopulate the standard form
- [12:23:25] <claudio>
Papi, the SSO works in that you are "continuosly" SIGNED IN within your provider (not the sites that support OpenID). Every sites have their own "account persistence" (aka, cookie, for the most part)
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- [12:24:37] <Melvster>
i think he's thinking of windows apps that let you log in once and share resources on your own PC
- [12:24:38] <claudio>
Papi, your OpenID is valid as a "user id" through every site that supports it... but the real "log in" thing is site wide, every-site wide
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- [12:25:01] <claudio>
Melvster, It's perfectly clear what he's thinking (and his doubt is legit)
- [12:25:21] <claudio>
I mean, "not every-site wide"
- [12:25:31] <Papi>
:)
- [12:26:36] <claudio>
Papi, an RP does not "own" your OpenID identifier
- [12:26:49] <Papi>
I now understand the meaning of SSO concerning openid. I wish I had to log to my openid provider in order to avoid logging in to all the openid enabled websites
- [12:27:06] <Papi>
but i can't
- [12:27:14] <claudio>
this could be toooo harmful
- [12:28:00] <Papi>
you may be right
- [12:28:11] <Papi>
thx for your expertise
- [12:28:16] <claudio>
np
- [12:28:44] <Melvster>
right, so my phpbb3 OpenID mod is ready for release
- [12:28:48] <Melvster>
i think it's working now
- [12:30:07] <Melvster>
now i just need to get the forums to use it
- [12:30:27] <claudio>
Melvster, you think it could be integrated in "main branch"?
- [12:30:37] <claudio>
directly into phpbb, I mean
- [12:30:55] <Melvster>
well not for some time
- [12:31:01] <Melvster>
it would go into 3.2.0 if anything
- [12:31:19] <Melvster>
that wont be ready for ages
- [12:31:36] <Melvster>
yes, id like it to get into the main branch
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- [12:31:54] <claudio>
:)
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- [12:32:34] <Melvster>
integration is very easy the way ive done it, only 1 file needs to be changed
- [12:36:38] <Melvster>
hmm seems the v2 code had an issue with Auth/OpenID/BBStore.php
- [12:37:36] <Melvster>
security vulnerability
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- [13:00:14] <peace-keeper>
who in here likes i-names? :)
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- [13:07:39] <claudio>
peace-keeper, afaik i-names mean $$
- [13:07:44] <claudio>
I don't like it :)
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- [13:33:38] <Melvster>
hi all id like to distribute php-openid1.2.3 /Auth /Services README COPYING in a GPL'd MOD - is there anything else i need to include?
- [13:36:25] <claudio>
Melvster, COPYING and the usual disclaimer on top of the file
- [13:36:47] <claudio>
Melvster, also, there are guidelines on the gnu site, IIRC
- [13:37:09] <Melvster>
thanks
- [13:38:52] <claudio>
Melvster, http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-howto.html
- [13:39:17] <Melvster>
reading, thx
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- [14:03:16] <Melvster>
hmm the openid buzz is really good
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- [14:43:19] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
- [14:56:31] <Melvster>
can openid be used ddos?
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- [15:32:56] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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- [16:41:45] <GabeW>
<burtonator> wow gotta get me an .asia!
- [16:41:48] <GabeW>
woops
- [16:41:54] <GabeW>
man
- [16:42:05] <GabeW>
i should wake up before I get on IRC
- [16:42:10] <GabeW>
and poke fun at burtonator
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- [17:35:47] <Melvster>
.asia ?
- [17:36:14] <johill>
http://www.dotasia.org/
- [17:37:02] <Melvster>
cool i just booked some flights to china coincidently
- [17:39:11] <Melvster>
so does that mean we can register .asia domains?
- [17:40:28] <johill>
no idea if "we" can, but apparently some people can
- [17:40:50] <johill>
.se (used to?) has a requirement that you need to live there or something
- [17:40:56] <johill>
maybe they have something like that here too
- [17:41:06] <Melvster>
oic
- [17:41:25] <Melvster>
yeah .ltd.uk you need a company of that name for
- [17:41:33] <Melvster>
same .ie
- [17:42:05] <Melvster>
but .vn anyone can have - so i get http://mel.vn which is pretty close to my name :)
- [17:42:14] <johill>
:)
- [17:43:10] <Melvster>
i wonder if how many tld's we need
- [17:48:26] <Melvster>
in europe the only tricky one is france, you need to live there
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- [21:12:19] <Melvster>
hooray - all of my forums are now openid enabled
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- [21:19:56] <moshe_work>
hi all. want some feedback on an idea. we are discussing how we can do single sign on at drupal.org (an open source project). we are likely going to run an openID server at drupal.org and folks will authenticate with that identity when logging into the sister sites that run on subdomains: groups.drupal.org, api.drupal.org, etc. thats all fine, but the one annoyance that folks have to provide their openID URL when crossing to
- [21:21:56] <Melvster>
good question
- [21:21:58] <_keturn>
your message got cut off ("crossing t")
- [21:22:06] <claudio>
I'm waiting for the end :)
- [21:22:11] <pfak>
eh
- [21:22:14] <pfak>
is that really what OpenID is meant for
- [21:22:20] <pfak>
you really want Access manager or something ..
- [21:22:34] <pfak>
for SSO
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- [21:23:01] <Melvster>
well with google you log in once and you can access groups mail services etc.
- [21:23:11] <claudio>
moshe_work, you'd like people do not need to re-sign in in groups. api. etc...
- [21:23:13] <Melvster>
i think it's done via a cookie?
- [21:23:15] <pfak>
thats aclled SSO ..
- [21:23:31] <pfak>
OpenSSO is a nice product .. https://opensso.dev.java.net/
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- [21:23:54] <claudio>
btw, I'm developing an SSO solution for a bunch of drupal sites I manage...
- [21:24:14] <pfak>
OpenSSO has a policy agent that works with Apache
- [21:24:20] <claudio>
and I need a server2server comunication (as bbauth does)
- [21:24:20] <pfak>
and it can pass whatever variables you want to your web app.
- [21:24:30] <pfak>
yes, OpenSSO does that.
- [21:24:59] <claudio>
should check it out throughly.. I only gave it a look
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- [21:59:02] <claudio>
he quitted. strange
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- [22:03:14] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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- [22:29:38] <Melvster>
here we go: the world's first OpenID implementation for phpbb3 Olympus: http://www.phpbbopenid.com/
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- [23:04:21] <jibot>
johnjosephbachir is the developer of Lyceum [http://lyceum.ibiblio.org/] and spends most of his IRC time in #lyceum. Learn more about him at http://claimid.com/jjb.
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- [23:08:31] <lopnor_>
Hi, everyone
- [23:08:54] <lopnor_>
I made a new openid provider http://openid4u.net/
- [23:09:16] <johnjosephbachir>
wow, jibot is everywhere
- [23:09:56] <lopnor_>
what's jibot?
- [23:10:53] <lopnor_>
and I wanted openid4u.net to the provider list on http://wiki.openid.net/OpenIDServers
- [23:11:24] <lopnor_>
but I couldn't login to wiki.openid.net.
- [23:12:24] <lopnor_>
from openid4u or technorati.
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- [23:13:29] <lopnor_>
please tell me how to login to wiki.openid.net?
- [23:14:40] <johnjosephbachir>
no idea
- [23:15:07] <lopnor_>
Did you login to wiki.openid.net successfully?
- [23:15:31] <Melvster>
let me try
- [23:15:36] <lopnor_>
thx
- [23:15:46] <Melvster>
hmm
- [23:15:50] <Melvster>
verification failed
- [23:15:52] <Melvster>
that's odd
- [23:16:05] <Melvster>
never seen that before
- [23:16:10] <lopnor_>
really?
- [23:16:23] <Melvster>
not on my id, no
- [23:16:56] <lopnor_>
mmm
- [23:18:01] <Melvster>
like your website
- [23:18:08] <Melvster>
you have 5 login types?
- [23:18:14] <lopnor_>
yes.
- [23:18:27] <Melvster>
livedoor i guess is openid
- [23:18:51] <lopnor_>
I know, but it was fun to implement.
- [23:18:58] <Melvster>
interesting
- [23:19:03] <Melvster>
so how does it work?
- [23:19:12] <lopnor_>
I'll try now.
- [23:19:32] <Melvster>
flikr takes me to yahoo
- [23:19:39] <lopnor_>
yes.
- [23:19:55] <lopnor_>
flickr has connection to yahoo.
- [23:20:02] <lopnor_>
oops
- [23:20:07] <lopnor_>
failed again.
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- [23:20:42] <lopnor_>
oh
- [23:20:53] <lopnor_>
my english is poor.
- [23:21:13] <lopnor_>
you need yahoo account to get flickr account.
- [23:21:19] <Melvster>
yep ive got one
- [23:21:22] <Melvster>
just signed in
- [23:21:50] <lopnor_>
to wiki?
- [23:22:06] <Melvster>
to flikr it merged it with my yahoo account
- [23:22:19] <Melvster>
not sure that was a perfectly wise idea, but anyway, now it wants an email
- [23:22:47] <Melvster>
oh, i see it associates accounts together
- [23:23:22] <lopnor_>
so you now have openid4u.net/flickr/urname
- [23:23:40] <Melvster>
i do?
- [23:23:45] <lopnor_>
maybe.
- [23:24:27] <lopnor_>
click flickr logo from openid4u.net top page.
- [23:24:41] <Melvster>
takes me to yahoo again
- [23:24:42] <lopnor_>
what is your flickr screen name?
- [23:24:58] <lopnor_>
then, put the password there.
- [23:25:24] <lopnor_>
to sign in to flickr.
- [23:25:47] <Melvster>
ah i dont have a flickr account that's the issue i think
- [23:26:07] <lopnor_>
oh so do you have facebook account?
- [23:26:20] <Melvster>
not one i use :)
- [23:26:26] <Melvster>
i try to avoid facebook
- [23:26:37] <lopnor_>
oh!
- [23:26:39] <Melvster>
doesnt stop me getting sent invites though!
- [23:26:47] <lopnor_>
!
- [23:27:18] <Melvster>
had to turn down my own sister! :(
- [23:27:33] <lopnor_>
!!!
- [23:27:36] <XRIBot>
Command not found. Type !help for a list of commands.
- [23:27:52] <lopnor_>
oh bot comes!
- [23:28:42] <lopnor_>
so, is there any way to login to wiki.openid.net?
- [23:29:51] <Melvster>
hmm
- [23:30:27] <lopnor_>
I have to tell someone maintaing there.
- [23:30:27] <Melvster>
ive not seen my id fail before
- [23:32:24] <Melvster>
let me get another id and try that
- [23:32:33] <lopnor_>
thx
- [23:35:02] <Melvster>
nope
- [23:35:05] <Melvster>
i think it's broken
- [23:35:19] <lopnor_>
ok, I'll post to the ml.
- [23:35:44] <lopnor_>
thank you for testing.
- [23:35:50] <Melvster>
anytime
- [23:35:59] <lopnor_>
see you!
- [23:35:59] <Melvster>
good luck with getting your site listed
- [23:36:05] <Melvster>
cu
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