IRC Log for #openid on 2007-10-10

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  2. [00:04:45] <GabeW> until they scratch your eyeballs out
  3. [00:04:53] <GabeW> i must seem really odd
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  7. [01:24:39] <Melvster> scratch your eyeballs out?
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  24. [08:44:44] <Melvster> hi all, my MOD has been taken pretty well so far by the PHPBB guys, but they are asking concerned about the security of OpenID - is there a good resource for this, that anyone can recommend?
  25. [09:00:54] <claudio> Melvster, the only "security" concern about OpenID that I'm aware of, is the phishing issue.
  26. [09:01:09] <Melvster> right
  27. [09:01:35] <claudio> Melvster, so, there are "implications" but they are all delegated to RP or the provider side
  28. [09:01:45] <claudio> not to OpenID directly
  29. [09:03:13] <Melvster> also ive been asked if i can change the style/width of the login box, is that ok, if I keep the openID image there?
  30. [09:03:35] <claudio> sure
  31. [09:04:15] <Melvster> great, thx
  32. [09:04:33] <claudio> I don't think there are even "official guidelines" for that :)
  33. [09:04:50] <claudio> but I'd be wrong (I'd hope :))
  34. [09:05:43] <Melvster> i thought the image was supposed to be included and the input box form name should be consistent?
  35. [09:06:25] <Melvster> this is what i saw the the other guy use:
  36. [09:06:34] <Melvster>
  37. [09:06:36] <Melvster> /* OpenID input box, as described at www.openidenabled.com */
  38. [09:06:38] <Melvster> input.openid_login {
  39. [09:06:39] <Melvster> background: url(styles/prosilver/imageset/icon_openid.png) no-repeat;
  40. [09:06:40] <Melvster> background-color: #fff;
  41. [09:06:42] <Melvster> background-position: 0 50%;
  42. [09:06:44] <Melvster> color: #000;
  43. [09:06:45] <Melvster> padding-left: 18px;
  44. [09:06:47] <Melvster> }
  45. [09:07:38] <claudio> ok, cool
  46. [09:07:55] <Melvster> ive chosen to use the openid URL as a username, but im wondering about taking the sreg nickname
  47. [09:09:39] <Melvster> nickname would be slightly more user friendly but OTOH it may require an extra file edit and i think URL's display pretty well and get people used to the idea of OpenID and federeted identity
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  49. [09:13:26] <Melvster> nickname is going to be a key design decision
  50. [09:14:54] <Melvster> phpbb has about 30m registered users, if i want to get them to use OpenID I think I need to make things as simple as possible for them
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  54. [09:53:30] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> url's will be ugly when dealing with some identity providers
  55. [09:54:22] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> look at technorati, their url's are something rediculous like http://technorati.com/users/technorati/username
  56. [09:55:26] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> not everyone can have a url as nice as creativepony.com :)
  57. [09:55:43] <Melvster> true
  58. [09:56:35] <Melvster> in theory you should have a function give you a readability score
  59. [09:57:00] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> nah, just use display names
  60. [09:57:01] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> nicknames I mean
  61. [09:57:23] <Melvster> right, this seems to be the way forward
  62. [09:57:41] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> maybe put an openid logo beside it or something to show it's a nickname rather than a username, and like i said, small italic text would be nice to show the full identity
  63. [09:58:03] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> also, when going to that user's profile, it should show an OpenID field
  64. [09:58:41] <Melvster> yes i know, im kind of torn between adding the functionality needed, and making it very easy to install
  65. [09:59:36] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> yeah, i don't imagine phpbb would even have a nickname field in it's database schema's
  66. [09:59:55] <Melvster> it has 2 username fields
  67. [10:00:00] <Melvster> but adding a column is not an issue
  68. [10:00:05] <Melvster> i already add one
  69. [10:00:28] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> but maybe a better plan of attack is rather than releasing it as a plugin just try to get it integrated in to the core phpbb release
  70. [10:00:39] <Melvster> the problem with phpbb is that the mods are very hard to install, it's not like wordpress where you can just add it an go
  71. [10:00:53] <Melvster> yeah not much chance of that, ive spoken to the admins
  72. [10:00:58] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> I know, I used phpbb years back, it's horrible
  73. [10:01:06] <Melvster> not in this release anyway
  74. [10:01:09] <openid_pibb> <Blueberry> patching and stuff
  75. [10:01:10] <Melvster> maybe in 3.2.0
  76. [10:01:25] <Melvster> also there's a small touch of nih syndrome i suspect
  77. [10:03:25] <Melvster> my main goal is to make it easy enough for people to use, and once it has a bit of adoption, to add lots of good functionality, i think i can do some simple sreg though
  78. [10:03:58] <Melvster> if it was just a case of compling a plugin, i could add pretty much everything
  79. [10:04:21] <Melvster> but each piece of functionality has to be painfullly hacked together editing the core files and templates
  80. [10:04:44] <Melvster> also you have to go through the same process every upgrade, and since they are only on rc5 with rc6 coming out soon that's a pain too
  81. [10:06:46] <Melvster> anyway thanks for the f/b should have this out in the next 2 days
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  94. [11:16:33] <bengee> hi, anyone around who could quickly help me test an OpenID consumer/signup script?
  95. [11:18:35] <bengee> URL is http://knowee.net/signup
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  97. [11:21:02] <bengee> (you can delete the account via "profile settings" in case of a successful signup)
  98. [11:25:24] <claudio> bengee, I think that you should request the "nick" after a succesfull openid sign in
  99. [11:26:20] <claudio> (as part of your user's profile)
  100. [11:26:30] <claudio> but I may miss something
  101. [11:26:40] <bengee> yeah, my laziness ;)
  102. [11:28:14] <claudio> bengee, there's a bug. If I use an non-existent openid (bogus url, for example) you anyway save the nick
  103. [11:28:38] <claudio> so, next time I use a valid openid i get the 'Sorry, the account "zotzotzotzot" is already registered.'
  104. [11:28:53] <bengee> yeah, I know
  105. [11:29:29] <bengee> but did it work with a valid one?
  106. [11:30:22] <claudio> mmh yes
  107. [11:30:53] <bengee> (the app logic is still borken in many places, just wanted to try OpenID consumer)
  108. [11:31:05] <bengee> try *the*
  109. [11:31:06] <claudio> bengee, wait...
  110. [11:31:19] <claudio> I used my bloglines openid...
  111. [11:31:48] <claudio> it is known that it should be used ONLY on bloglines, not as a "normal" IdP
  112. [11:31:59] <claudio> s/should/can/
  113. [11:32:06] <claudio> but, you give me access :)
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  115. [11:32:29] <claudio> you maybe should not... but I don't know the gory details involved
  116. [11:32:42] <bengee> hmm
  117. [11:35:44] <bengee> it gave me an is_valid, I guess
  118. [11:36:25] * bengee googles
  119. [11:37:56] <bengee> ah, seems to be the other way round, you can't login at bloglines with non-bloglines OpenIDs
  120. [11:38:04] <claudio> ah
  121. [11:38:20] <claudio> but bloglines does not give me the option to trust YOU
  122. [11:40:20] <bengee> I don't ask for sreg props, could that be a reason?
  123. [11:41:03] <claudio> mmh, maybe
  124. [11:41:51] <bengee> you do see the "MyProfile, Settings, bla" in the upper right corner, don't you?
  125. [11:42:13] <bengee> i.e. the app logged you in after registration?
  126. [11:42:40] <claudio> yeah
  127. [11:42:46] <bengee> ok, cool
  128. [11:42:58] <bengee> thanks a lot for testing!
  129. [11:43:17] <claudio> np
  130. [11:46:26] <Melvster> worked for me
  131. [11:47:40] <Melvster> hmm sparql - nice!
  132. [11:47:46] <bengee> cool, thx
  133. [11:48:19] <bengee> yeah, I'm trying to openid-enable the underlying rdf framework
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  135. [11:49:20] <claudio> bengee, which RDF fw are you using?
  136. [11:49:38] <Melvster> so it's open source too?
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  138. [11:50:50] <bengee> the framework is not available yet. the RDF toolkit is a forthcoming release of ARC (http://arc.web-semantics.org/), the framework on top is called "Trice"
  139. [11:51:04] <bengee> yeah, opensource
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  141. [11:52:31] <bengee> (the openid funtionality will be part of trice, arc doesn't have accounts and stuff)
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  145. [12:01:30] <Melvster> looks good, so there will be 2 open source SNS now this and noserub, not really seen peopleaggregator though
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  174. [17:07:48] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  183. [18:12:01] <docwhat> Howdy!
  184. [18:12:33] <docwhat> I want to contribute a patch to openid's PHP libraries, but I don't know how to run the unit-tests.
  185. [18:12:44] <docwhat> Two patches, actually.
  186. [18:13:08] <docwhat> I tried "phpunit TestDriver.php", but I get an error about unable to require_once(PHPUnit.php)
  187. [18:14:01] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> docwhat, you need to install PHPUnit 1.x. http://pear.phpunit.de/get/
  188. [18:14:11] <docwhat> Oh, phpunit2 doesn't work?
  189. [18:14:41] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> No, it only works with PHP5 last I checked.
  190. [18:14:49] <docwhat> ah-hah....
  191. [18:14:51] <docwhat> ew.
  192. [18:17:08] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> docwhat, the test suite *should* run gracefully in the absence of database support (sqlite, postgres, and mysql). If you have any trouble with that or any other aspect of the test suite, please let me know. We don't have a lot of data about people trying to run the tests in the wild.
  193. [18:18:07] <docwhat> openid_pibb: Okay. What should I expect from typing "php TestDriver.php"? I assume that's what I need to do, right?
  194. [18:18:07] <openid_pibb> docwhat: Error: "Okay." is not a valid command.
  195. [18:18:22] <docwhat> ???
  196. [18:18:32] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> nope, run "sh admin/runtests"
  197. [18:18:53] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> that will run the PHP tests (admin/texttest.php) as well as several other scripts that check the code for docblocks, long lines, etc.
  198. [18:18:56] <docwhat> What's going on? Is it a bot or a persson?
  199. [18:19:29] <pfak> Doesn't run with PHP5 ..?
  200. [18:19:46] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> it's a bot relaying messages from pibb.com, docwhat
  201. [18:20:00] <pfak> Not supporting PHP 5 is quite lame ..
  202. [18:20:03] <pfak> oh, I misread that.
  203. [18:20:08] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> pfak, I said it *only* runs on PHP 5.
  204. [18:20:11] <pfak> Running PHP4 is quite lame.. =P
  205. [18:20:19] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> :)
  206. [18:20:29] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> ** cygnus nods. :)
  207. [18:20:36] <docwhat> Sorry. I was confused. It looks like a bot, acts like a human.
  208. [18:20:39] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> But about 70% of PHPs on the web are 4.x.x.
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  210. [18:20:54] <docwhat> I wish PHP4 would just die already....
  211. [18:20:56] <pfak> They should upgrade. I've been running PHP5 for around 3 years now..
  212. [18:21:20] <docwhat> PHP4 has an EOL announced, though. That's good.
  213. [18:21:24] <pfak> Yeah, finally.
  214. [18:21:25] <pfak> Took long enough.
  215. [18:21:43] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> ** cygnus nods, although PHP 4 won't go away for a while after that.
  216. [18:22:17] <docwhat> I dunno. I suspect that a few key things will switch and it'll cascade really quickly.
  217. [18:22:36] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> Let's hope so.
  218. [18:22:39] <pfak> well phpBB is still going to work wtih PHP4, which is lame.
  219. [18:23:00] <docwhat> cygnus. May I suggest you include PHPUnit 1.x with your distribution so that tests work out of the darcs checkout?
  220. [18:24:45] <docwhat> Cygnus: I got an error with a plain checkout: http://pastemonkey.org/paste/docwhat
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  222. [18:25:22] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> DB.php is part of PEAR DB, which can be installed with "pear install db"
  223. [18:25:32] <docwhat> Got it...cool.
  224. [18:25:57] <pfak> pear ..
  225. [18:26:23] <docwhat> Another suggestion: At the beginning of the shell script, try running a bunch of simple require_once() commands to make sure libraries are in place and suggest where to get them?
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  227. [18:26:39] <docwhat> You could do that with PHPUnit as well, as an alternative to actually checking it in.
  228. [18:27:06] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> although I guess the test suite should be resilient to that problem, since that's fine. I'll make a note to update the test suite to gracefully skip all of the DB tests if PEAR DB isn't around.
  229. [18:28:09] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> I don't see any issue with including the PHPUnit 1.x code in the library package, and that would make running the tests much easier.
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  231. [18:28:39] <docwhat> Cygnus: Cool. it is working now. Thanks. I'll write my changes and send patches. ^_^
  232. [18:28:40] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> As for PEAR DB, it would be cleaner to just skip the DB tests without PEAR DB and add a note to the README mentioning that if DB code changes get made.
  233. [18:28:50] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> Awesome. :)
  234. [18:29:21] <docwhat> cygnus: the only other thing I'd add is some more notes about running the tests.
  235. [18:29:50] <docwhat> http://openidenabled.com/contribute/ is an okay start, but there is no contribute file once the files are checked out. Maybe a README.contribute or something?
  236. [18:29:55] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> There is a little note at the bottom of the README, but I'll record a patch to improve that.
  237. [18:30:02] <docwhat> Thanks. ^_^
  238. [18:31:18] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> docwhat, provided your patches are accepted, you'll be able to see them run on the buildbot at http://openidenabled.com:8011/
  239. [18:32:36] <docwhat> Is there a good howto for submitting patches via darcs? The web page I mentioned above has 'record' and then 'send'. Will that work with several unrelated changes? Or should I check out new copies for each change or what? I'm not familiar with darcs, but know hg, svn, cvs, p4, and bk.
  240. [18:33:59] <docwhat> Hmm... it looks like 'send' lets you choose the patches?
  241. [18:34:03] <keturn> yep, it does.
  242. [18:34:25] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> ** cygnus nods
  243. [18:34:44] <docwhat> How do I run just one test? I got a failure in 'nobadcase'
  244. [18:34:54] <docwhat> I want to find the test and see if it's a test bug or my bug.
  245. [18:35:07] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> You can run one test module, like: php admin/texttest.php MODULENAME (e.g., "Consumer")
  246. [18:35:17] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> but not one specific test.
  247. [18:35:55] <docwhat> Never mind, I figured out what it is. They didn't like my case. ^_^
  248. [18:35:59] <docwhat> I can fix that.
  249. [18:36:19] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> Oh, right, nobadcase is one of the checker scripts.
  250. [18:36:43] <docwhat> All lower case is prefered? It looks that way from the examples.
  251. [18:37:01] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> for true, false, and null, yes.
  252. [18:37:22] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> I'll update the nobadcase script to say that much.
  253. [18:37:32] <docwhat> Hah. I was going to do that. ^_^
  254. [18:37:42] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> feel free. :)
  255. [18:37:53] <docwhat> Might as well. I'm here.
  256. [18:38:14] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> Just try to keep the patches as atomic as you can; no single patch should make more than one logical change, if possible.
  257. [18:38:55] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> I say that chiefly for the SVNers of the world, for whom it is both tempting and easy to 'commit' after an hour of editing every file in the repository.
  258. [18:40:13] <docwhat> Gotcha. Each discrete fix will be one record comment. I think I understand the idea behind darcs now.... It's neat.
  259. [18:40:29] <docwhat> s/record comment/record commit/
  260. [18:45:27] <docwhat> Heh. I didn't realize that running the testsuite was needed to submit the patch (record). Good thing I got it working first. ^_^
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  262. [18:51:13] <docwhat> Hmmm....one of my patches breaks a unit test so I wonder if it's bug in my system's copy of preg.
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  264. [18:51:16] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  267. [19:05:58] <docwhat> Thanks for your help. Ciao!
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  278. [20:48:42] <openid_pibb> <uoziod> people, what's goin' on?
  279. [20:49:33] <openid_pibb> <uoziod> where I can get support for Pibb?
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  281. [20:57:03] <openid_pibb> <cygnus> Join the Pibb Discussion channel (or the Support channel)
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  284. [21:30:47] <jibot> evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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  286. [21:45:33] <openid_pibb> <Kevin Fox> or you can Pibb me
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