IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-06

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  22. [07:13:53] <seltzerwater> Hello
  23. [07:14:14] <seltzerwater> Anyone there?
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  51. [15:03:55] <mogie2> hey people
  52. [15:04:23] <mogie2> im interested in this openid idea
  53. [15:04:47] <Makenshi> Great!
  54. [15:06:19] <mogie2> ok from my understandng, anyone can become an "openid" provider, you can create an "openid" yourself or goto a well known site to do so
  55. [15:06:53] <mogie2> then when you want to login, you point it to the openid provider's site and it logs in
  56. [15:07:03] <mogie2> correct me if im wrong
  57. [15:07:52] <mogie2> i just started reading about it an hour ago.
  58. [15:08:42] <danbri> end users can also put markup in their own homepage/blog that points to a provider, ...eg in danbri.org I point off to danbri.livejournal.com
  59. [15:08:57] <danbri> so when I login I just use "danbri.org" as my openid, without having to implement it
  60. [15:10:06] <mogie2> ok
  61. [15:10:19] <mogie2> like a redirect?
  62. [15:11:59] <niekie> Kind of, you just delegate it to another point.
  63. [15:12:13] <niekie> For instance, I have the following meta tags on niekie.com:
  64. [15:12:25] <niekie> Argh, not meta, I mean.. but..
  65. [15:12:32] <niekie> <link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server">
  66. [15:12:33] <niekie> <link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://niekie.myopenid.com/">
  67. [15:12:43] <Makenshi> In theory, every openidurl is a referral, to the endpoint url
  68. [15:12:45] <niekie> Argh, ignore those tabs at the beginning.
  69. [15:12:49] * niekie is clumsy today.
  70. [15:13:07] <mogie2> ermm im confuse now :S
  71. [15:13:26] <niekie> mogie2: what exactly are you confused about, we would be happy to explain.
  72. [15:13:51] <mogie2> this whole thing you're talking about
  73. [15:13:55] <niekie> Okay..
  74. [15:14:00] <mogie2> delegate...
  75. [15:14:07] <niekie> Well, say, you own mogie2.net
  76. [15:14:13] <mogie2> yep
  77. [15:14:18] <niekie> And you want to use that as OpenID without implementing it.
  78. [15:14:30] <niekie> And you currently have an OpenID called mogie2.myopenid.com
  79. [15:14:58] <niekie> Then you would put the following somewhere in the <head> tags of your page.
  80. [15:15:13] <niekie> <link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server">
  81. [15:15:25] <niekie> <link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://mogie2.myopenid.com/">
  82. [15:15:52] <Makenshi> I do it the poor man's way.. `id 10800 IN CNAME www.own-d.com.`
  83. [15:16:09] <Makenshi> as in, point id.[mydomain] to www.own-id.com and set up the referral there
  84. [15:16:24] <Makenshi> I think it's also more downtime-resistant than my blog
  85. [15:16:37] <mogie2> ok
  86. [15:17:00] <Makenshi> That is, id.chaz6.com for reference
  87. [15:17:00] <mogie2> but you can also host as a provider right?
  88. [15:17:08] <niekie> mogie2: yes, you can.
  89. [15:17:08] <Makenshi> Yes you can be your own provider
  90. [15:17:18] <mogie2> ok
  91. [15:17:44] <mogie2> what kind of information does this openid store?
  92. [15:17:53] <Makenshi> I use xmpp.openid.za.net for providing openid access to accounts at my employer's domain, easier than setting up my own provider and took 5 minutes to write the openid page
  93. [15:17:53] <niekie> mogie2: that depends.
  94. [15:18:07] <niekie> Makenshi: small error there ;)
  95. [15:18:12] <niekie> It's openid.xmpp.za.net
  96. [15:18:16] <Makenshi> yeah that :)
  97. [15:18:36] <mogie2> it depends?
  98. [15:18:39] <mogie2> how so?
  99. [15:18:46] <Makenshi> so openid.employer.com/username -> openid.xmpp.za.net/username@employer.com
  100. [15:19:14] <niekie> mogie2: yes, an OpenID provider can optionally give whatever you're trying to authenticate to more information about you, like your e-mail address, real name, or whatever.
  101. [15:19:30] <Makenshi> Would be nice if there was an I.E. plugin for XEP-0070.. can't deploy ff everywhere yet
  102. [15:19:34] <niekie> Good OpenID providers will tell you what they're going to give away before you log in.
  103. [15:19:46] <Makenshi> and i don't know about deploying firefox extensions either
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  105. [15:20:03] <mogie2> ok
  106. [15:20:14] <mogie2> but from a developers point of view
  107. [15:20:15] <niekie> Makenshi: my website automatically redirects anybody that fills in something that looks like an XMPP address to that OpenID provider :)
  108. [15:20:31] <mogie2> theres a standard for all the different information right?
  109. [15:20:34] <Makenshi> cool :)
  110. [15:21:32] <niekie> mogie2: there's the OpenID standard which as far as I know defines that.
  111. [15:21:46] <niekie> I could be wrong though.. I don't know much about the OpenID protocol actually.
  112. [15:22:21] <mogie2> so if i were to allow people to signup/login using openid on my site
  113. [15:22:51] <mogie2> and it needs information about the user, this can be easily done over all the providers?
  114. [15:25:39] <mogie2> say blogspot supports openid, and im new to blogspot.
  115. [15:25:39] <mogie2> i want to make a new account using openid, Would blogspot goto my provider and retrive all my information? like email, birthdate...
  116. [15:25:39] <mogie2> what if it requires information that i have not entered into my provider?
  117. [15:29:17] <niekie> TUNTIS
  118. [15:29:24] <niekie> Err.. ignore that.
  119. [15:29:25] <niekie> Wrong channel.
  120. [15:31:00] <niekie> mogie2: I'm not sure, but yes, if your provider provides that information, blogspot can request it.
  121. [15:31:31] <niekie> For more information, see http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_0.html
  122. [15:33:52] <mogie2> hmm interesting
  123. [15:33:56] <mogie2> only 8 atm
  124. [15:34:21] <mogie2> but i guess those are the most common ones
  125. [15:37:25] <mogie2> anyway thanks for your help, need sleep now
  126. [15:37:29] <mogie2> be back tomorrow
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  140. [19:35:02] <jibot> trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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  168. [23:32:10] <pisi> Hi. Are there any nice examples of attribute echange in action ?
  169. [23:32:41] <pisi> out in the wild? or some good reading material on attribute exchange planned applications/standards/common attributes ?
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