IRC Log for #openid on 2008-01-06
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- [07:13:53] <seltzerwater>
Hello
- [07:14:14] <seltzerwater>
Anyone there?
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- [15:03:55] <mogie2>
hey people
- [15:04:23] <mogie2>
im interested in this openid idea
- [15:04:47] <Makenshi>
Great!
- [15:06:19] <mogie2>
ok from my understandng, anyone can become an "openid" provider, you can create an "openid" yourself or goto a well known site to do so
- [15:06:53] <mogie2>
then when you want to login, you point it to the openid provider's site and it logs in
- [15:07:03] <mogie2>
correct me if im wrong
- [15:07:52] <mogie2>
i just started reading about it an hour ago.
- [15:08:42] <danbri>
end users can also put markup in their own homepage/blog that points to a provider, ...eg in danbri.org I point off to danbri.livejournal.com
- [15:08:57] <danbri>
so when I login I just use "danbri.org" as my openid, without having to implement it
- [15:10:06] <mogie2>
ok
- [15:10:19] <mogie2>
like a redirect?
- [15:11:59] <niekie>
Kind of, you just delegate it to another point.
- [15:12:13] <niekie>
For instance, I have the following meta tags on niekie.com:
- [15:12:25] <niekie>
Argh, not meta, I mean.. but..
- [15:12:32] <niekie>
<link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server">
- [15:12:33] <niekie>
<link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://niekie.myopenid.com/">
- [15:12:43] <Makenshi>
In theory, every openidurl is a referral, to the endpoint url
- [15:12:45] <niekie>
Argh, ignore those tabs at the beginning.
- [15:12:49] * niekie is clumsy today.
- [15:13:07] <mogie2>
ermm im confuse now :S
- [15:13:26] <niekie>
mogie2: what exactly are you confused about, we would be happy to explain.
- [15:13:51] <mogie2>
this whole thing you're talking about
- [15:13:55] <niekie>
Okay..
- [15:14:00] <mogie2>
delegate...
- [15:14:07] <niekie>
Well, say, you own mogie2.net
- [15:14:13] <mogie2>
yep
- [15:14:18] <niekie>
And you want to use that as OpenID without implementing it.
- [15:14:30] <niekie>
And you currently have an OpenID called mogie2.myopenid.com
- [15:14:58] <niekie>
Then you would put the following somewhere in the <head> tags of your page.
- [15:15:13] <niekie>
<link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server">
- [15:15:25] <niekie>
<link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://mogie2.myopenid.com/">
- [15:15:52] <Makenshi>
I do it the poor man's way.. `id 10800 IN CNAME www.own-d.com.`
- [15:16:09] <Makenshi>
as in, point id.[mydomain] to www.own-id.com and set up the referral there
- [15:16:24] <Makenshi>
I think it's also more downtime-resistant than my blog
- [15:16:37] <mogie2>
ok
- [15:17:00] <Makenshi>
That is, id.chaz6.com for reference
- [15:17:00] <mogie2>
but you can also host as a provider right?
- [15:17:08] <niekie>
mogie2: yes, you can.
- [15:17:08] <Makenshi>
Yes you can be your own provider
- [15:17:18] <mogie2>
ok
- [15:17:44] <mogie2>
what kind of information does this openid store?
- [15:17:53] <Makenshi>
I use xmpp.openid.za.net for providing openid access to accounts at my employer's domain, easier than setting up my own provider and took 5 minutes to write the openid page
- [15:17:53] <niekie>
mogie2: that depends.
- [15:18:07] <niekie>
Makenshi: small error there ;)
- [15:18:12] <niekie>
It's openid.xmpp.za.net
- [15:18:16] <Makenshi>
yeah that :)
- [15:18:36] <mogie2>
it depends?
- [15:18:39] <mogie2>
how so?
- [15:18:46] <Makenshi>
so openid.employer.com/username -> openid.xmpp.za.net/username@employer.com
- [15:19:14] <niekie>
mogie2: yes, an OpenID provider can optionally give whatever you're trying to authenticate to more information about you, like your e-mail address, real name, or whatever.
- [15:19:30] <Makenshi>
Would be nice if there was an I.E. plugin for XEP-0070.. can't deploy ff everywhere yet
- [15:19:34] <niekie>
Good OpenID providers will tell you what they're going to give away before you log in.
- [15:19:46] <Makenshi>
and i don't know about deploying firefox extensions either
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- [15:20:03] <mogie2>
ok
- [15:20:14] <mogie2>
but from a developers point of view
- [15:20:15] <niekie>
Makenshi: my website automatically redirects anybody that fills in something that looks like an XMPP address to that OpenID provider :)
- [15:20:31] <mogie2>
theres a standard for all the different information right?
- [15:20:34] <Makenshi>
cool :)
- [15:21:32] <niekie>
mogie2: there's the OpenID standard which as far as I know defines that.
- [15:21:46] <niekie>
I could be wrong though.. I don't know much about the OpenID protocol actually.
- [15:22:21] <mogie2>
so if i were to allow people to signup/login using openid on my site
- [15:22:51] <mogie2>
and it needs information about the user, this can be easily done over all the providers?
- [15:25:39] <mogie2>
say blogspot supports openid, and im new to blogspot.
- [15:25:39] <mogie2>
i want to make a new account using openid, Would blogspot goto my provider and retrive all my information? like email, birthdate...
- [15:25:39] <mogie2>
what if it requires information that i have not entered into my provider?
- [15:29:17] <niekie>
TUNTIS
- [15:29:24] <niekie>
Err.. ignore that.
- [15:29:25] <niekie>
Wrong channel.
- [15:31:00] <niekie>
mogie2: I'm not sure, but yes, if your provider provides that information, blogspot can request it.
- [15:31:31] <niekie>
For more information, see http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_0.html
- [15:33:52] <mogie2>
hmm interesting
- [15:33:56] <mogie2>
only 8 atm
- [15:34:21] <mogie2>
but i guess those are the most common ones
- [15:37:25] <mogie2>
anyway thanks for your help, need sleep now
- [15:37:29] <mogie2>
be back tomorrow
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trel1023 is Terrell Russell of http://claimID.com and http://weblog.terrellrussell.com
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- [23:32:10] <pisi>
Hi. Are there any nice examples of attribute echange in action ?
- [23:32:41] <pisi>
out in the wild? or some good reading material on attribute exchange planned applications/standards/common attributes ?
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